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legendary
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hero member
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How come the owner names got stripped out of the top two Bter and Polo accounts at live.crypti.me?  

Another question - can we switch from 0.1% fee to 0.1 XCR fee until the Lisk ICO is over?

I don't know if it can be adjusted without pushing an update and we are trying to avoid pushing any updates until after the ICO for Lisk is finished so that we don't brick anyone's money in an exchange. You've been around long enough to know the annoying process and weeks it can take sometimes to get exchanges to update their Crypti nodes due to our low volume, so we want to make sure everyone who wants to can get their funds out of the exchanges and over to the Lisk ICO. We can bring it up though and see if there is anything that can be done.
legendary
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How come the owner names got stripped out of the top two Bter and Polo accounts at live.crypti.me?  

Another question - can we switch from 0.1% fee to 0.1 XCR fee until the Lisk ICO is over?
hero member
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Because you need to spend money to buy XCR and because the ICO might be a total flop. So you would be spending money today to get something worthless (then be stuck with both worthless XCR and worthless LISK)



That is partially the reason why. The other big one is sort of simple... the ICO is still like 2 weeks away. Buyers will bide their time and hope to get the best prices. If there is a ton of BTC interest in the project, prices will rise during the next two weeks... guess it's one way to gauge interest in the project without even having to look at direct ICO purchase info.
hero member
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Because you need to spend money to buy XCR and because the ICO might be a total flop. So you would be spending money today to get something worthless (then be stuck with both worthless XCR and worthless LISK)


Really fucked everybody who believed in crypti, nice work. Now how the hell do I get rid of all the soon-to-be worthless coins I was holding onto.

Either sell them on the exchange, and those who have low buy orders will chomp them up and convert them to Lisk for a profit. Or wait until the ICO and convert them over yourself.

At a 1300 conversion rate, it seems fair to me (or 1130 considering 1st week btc bonus).

Thanks for the reply. What is the 1st week btc bonus you speak of and why does it lower the XCR valuation?

And why aren't people buying up all the crypti below 1300 (or 1130 or whatever) if it is certain they can be exchanged at that rate during the ICO?
hero member
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So if the conversion will value XCR at 1300 satoshis why aren't people buying up all the sub 1300 satoshi XCR?

It won't really be 1300 until the last week of the ICO. True value right now is around 1130, due to BTC purchase bonus.

I expect folks won't buy up to 1130ish, or even close, until the ICO is better known and closer to the ICO date. That assumes there is outside btc interest in the ICO. In the meanwhile, expect fud/turmoil, as it can be profitable to get people to dump at cheap prices. Ex. Buy at 500-600ish and it's half off ICO prices (more or less).
hero member
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Really fucked everybody who believed in crypti, nice work. Now how the hell do I get rid of all the soon-to-be worthless coins I was holding onto.

Either sell them on the exchange, and those who have low buy orders will chomp them up and convert them to Lisk for a profit. Or wait until the ICO and convert them over yourself.

At a 1300 conversion rate, it seems fair to me (or 1130 considering 1st week btc bonus).

Thanks for the reply. What is the 1st week btc bonus you speak of and why does it lower the XCR valuation?

And why aren't people buying up all the crypti below 1300 (or 1130 or whatever) if it is certain they can be exchanged at that rate during the ICO?
hero member
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Really fucked everybody who believed in crypti, nice work. Now how the hell do I get rid of all the soon-to-be worthless coins I was holding onto.

Either sell them on the exchange, and those who have low buy orders will chomp them up and convert them to Lisk for a profit. Or wait until the ICO and convert them over yourself.

At a 1300 conversion rate, it seems fair to me (or 1130 considering 1st week btc bonus).
hero member
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So if the conversion will value XCR at 1300 satoshis why aren't people buying up all the sub 1300 satoshi XCR?
sr. member
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@rtrtcrypto - be careful what you wish for, it may come true. There is a very good chance you will end up with much a higher stake with the conversion than you would with 25% airdrop. Lisk will have to raise around 2300 BTC to lower your stake from conversion to what it would be with a 25% airdrop. You're better off with the conversion unless the ICO really goes through the roof.

Actually he'd still be better off with the conversion even if the ICO goes through the roof, as that extra BTC invested would logically lead to better marketing, better devs, and a much higher price. Or worst case, a ton of buying pressure/interest after the ICO.

The potential problem with the ICO is if it doesn't bring in a lot of BTC. Then XCR people will have a higher stake (at least compared to if the ICO did super well), but not enough volume/interest to cash it out.

The upside of the sharedrop is it guarantees a fixed stake in the event the ICO is very successful. This also incentivizes XCR holders to promote the ICO since the more that is raised, the better for XCR holders since it raises the valuation of their holdings without diluting them. The downside is XCR holders end up with a lower stake than with conversion below a certain threshold of raised BTC.

The upside of conversion is XCR holders end up with a higher stake if the success ICO is more typical of ICOs in general or even weak. The downside of conversion is it can incentivize some short-sighted XCR holders to try to undermine the ICO effort so they end up with a higher stake.
hero member
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Really fucked everybody who believed in crypti, nice work. Now how the hell do I get rid of all the soon-to-be worthless coins I was holding onto.
hero member
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Thx

Is there a set date for Lisk ICO and are the XCR conversion parameters set in stone?

Thx.

Info on their Lisk blog (just google it, I don't like to put links as some can be paranoid about clicking links).

I believe it starts Feb 22, and according to their blog, not all terms are necessarily set in stone. I expect the 1300 rate to be pretty set, however, as they mentioned it before they even put up the more detailed ICO info.
hero member
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Is there a set date for Lisk ICO and are the XCR conversion parameters set in stone?

Thx.

Info on their Lisk blog (just google it, I don't like to put links as some can be paranoid about clicking links).

I believe it starts Feb 22, and according to their blog, not all terms are necessarily set in stone. I expect the 1300 rate to be pretty set, however, as they mentioned it before they even put up the more detailed ICO info.

There is also a refund period, so there really is no reason to not convert it over. Choice is either sell or convert.
hero member
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Is there a set date for Lisk ICO and are the XCR conversion parameters set in stone?

Thx.
sr. member
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@rtrtcrypto - be careful what you wish for, it may come true. There is a very good chance you will end up with much a higher stake with the conversion than you would with 25% airdrop. Lisk will have to raise around 2300 BTC to lower your stake from conversion to what it would be with a 25% airdrop. You're better off with the conversion unless the ICO really goes through the roof.

Actually he'd still be better off with the conversion even if the ICO goes through the roof, as that extra BTC invested would logically lead to better marketing, better devs, and a much higher price. Or worst case, a ton of buying pressure/interest after the ICO.

The potential problem with the ICO is if it doesn't bring in a lot of BTC. Then XCR people will have a higher stake (at least compared to if the ICO did super well), but not enough volume/interest to cash it out.

Exactly, these two of the three scenarios I pointed out earlier, each of which has advantages for XCR holders.
sr. member
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In addition, we need to gauge whether or not there will be any submissions for the Dapp Contest. We have received very little feedback or interest up to this point but I know Wulf mentioned possibly working on something. If we will not have any submissions (which we have only 2 days left), we would like to refund the dapp contest funds to the donors. If you are planning on submitting, please let us know. A quality review board will still be held for any submissions to ensure the quality and relevance of any submissions, but if you are planning on making a submission, we want to honor the commitment we made to the contest. Thanks!

I would like to develop a DApp, conceptually I have everything ready, and it's something that I could code quite easily, but I still can't get the Environment setup or running. 2 Days is far too little time to develop much of anything however and, if there is no extension to the contest I will not be able to complete the DApp. Unless there is an extension of a month to the DApp contest, I won't be able to provide any submissions.

I would say the best option, would be to give the DApp contest funds back to the donors. The DApp contest was originally meant to entice developers into developing apps for Crypti, but as you can see, there is almost no one working on DApps at the moment or the foreseeable future (with the split/fragmentation to Lisk and whatnot). It would be unfair to the donors to use their funds to promote a dying contest, which didn't pan out the way anyone intended.

Thank you for letting us know this. This has been a topic of discussion and we have been wanting to refund the donations, but we were keeping the contest open in case there were last minute quality submissions. At this point, it would make a lot more sense to develop dapps on Lisk, and have a contest there with the resources to better promote the contest on a more mature platform.
hero member
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@rtrtcrypto - be careful what you wish for, it may come true. There is a very good chance you will end up with much a higher stake with the conversion than you would with 25% airdrop. Lisk will have to raise around 2300 BTC to lower your stake from conversion to what it would be with a 25% airdrop. You're better off with the conversion unless the ICO really goes through the roof.

Actually he'd still be better off with the conversion even if the ICO goes through the roof, as that extra BTC invested would logically lead to better marketing, better devs, and a much higher price. Or worst case, a ton of buying pressure/interest after the ICO.

The potential problem with the ICO is if it doesn't bring in a lot of BTC. Then XCR people will have a higher stake (at least compared to if the ICO did super well), but not enough volume/interest to cash it out.
sr. member
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I think MAX and OLIVIER really put the XCR team in a tough spot. I'm just not comfortable with where either project is headed at this stage. I'm just bothered that you have bag holders (who likely have a share smaller than mine, btw) trying to PUMP this as a good thing. LOL. That is laughable. I'd prefer LISK and XCR to integrate and airdrop 25% to legacy XCR holders or SOMETHING. Having two groups now moving forward with something that has this little community support is just a waste of everyone's time (I can afford the losses and the time wasted, but can the devs?)  

Yes, I can convert my XCR to LISK, but, that still leaves two teams fighting over almost no community and support. The project(s) just look desperate now.


I have to agree with rtrtcrypto. You can't relaunch what is essentially the same project with a new ICO and expect people to have more confidence that you'll achieve what you set out to do this time around. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

For the record, Mike and I approached the Lisk team about an Airdrop and a possible way for how it would work. Max had already decided he wanted to go the manner outlined in their blog post instead. Fortunately, the 1300 Satoshi conversion is a favorable rate. We really wanted to avoid the dilution problem, but this is the best option they are going to offer as of right now. If you want to address the issue of the airdrop, you could head over to their chat or their BTT thread and bring it up and propose a possible solution. At the end of the day, what they are offering is a pretty good deal from my perspective.

The Crypti Foundation built what we set out to make and more. I wish we had continued funds and community support enough to market, build a stronger community, and commission some great dapps, but that simply isn't the case. With that being said, keep in mind that anyone can continue Crypti. The tech, website, and all materials will now be 100% open source and the network can easily be run forever if people are willing to run it. A project like this could never have existed without community support and development, and we simply didn't get the support and interest we had expected. Part of that is lack of marketing efforts, part of that is the immense machine that is Eth.

If we were able to go back, there are 100s of things we would probably do differently, but I am still happy with how far we have come and what we were able to accomplish on a fraction of the budget of other projects.

@rtrtcrypto - be careful what you wish for, it may come true. There is a very good chance you will end up with much a higher stake with the conversion than you would with 25% airdrop. Lisk will have to raise around 2300 BTC to lower your stake from conversion to what it would be with a 25% airdrop. You're better off with the conversion unless the ICO really goes through the roof.
hero member
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In addition, we need to gauge whether or not there will be any submissions for the Dapp Contest. We have received very little feedback or interest up to this point but I know Wulf mentioned possibly working on something. If we will not have any submissions (which we have only 2 days left), we would like to refund the dapp contest funds to the donors. If you are planning on submitting, please let us know. A quality review board will still be held for any submissions to ensure the quality and relevance of any submissions, but if you are planning on making a submission, we want to honor the commitment we made to the contest. Thanks!

I would like to develop a DApp, conceptually I have everything ready, and it's something that I could code quite easily, but I still can't get the Environment setup or running. 2 Days is far too little time to develop much of anything however and, if there is no extension to the contest I will not be able to complete the DApp. Unless there is an extension of a month to the DApp contest, I won't be able to provide any submissions.

I would say the best option, would be to give the DApp contest funds back to the donors. The DApp contest was originally meant to entice developers into developing apps for Crypti, but as you can see, there is almost no one working on DApps at the moment or the foreseeable future (with the split/fragmentation to Lisk and whatnot). It would be unfair to the donors to use their funds to promote a dying contest, which didn't pan out the way anyone intended.
hero member
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If you support the core technology and you think it's a solid system that with some expansion can compete against Eth, I would strongly encourage everyone to support Lisk. Whether you agree with how everything went down or not, I believe they WILL make progress and continue development. So if you supported Crypti this far because of the tech, it will continue to grow through Lisk.

Keep in mind though, that just as easily as they have forked Crypti into a new project, so can you, or anyone else at this point. The network is complete and solid and we will continue to support critical bug fixes for 6 months. So it's a great starting off point for any project and offers up a huge jump-start with a really strong core network. It's open source and belongs to everyone now, as originally intended.
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