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 Grin Don't talk about other coins here, no one said that NODE is not good, you see the XCR team did know, speak with the facts, I believe XCR.
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I think they can just clone it when crypti source code is released.  But hey, imitation is the ultimate form of flattery.

I don't think Node devs are gonna clone anything. They might use some ideas (or might not), but they're not kind of people who steal someone's code.

I'm watching both projects
Technically, the Node wins.
Crypti big and heavy client, takes a lot of memory
Node fast, small blockchain

How Node can steal code if no published source?
Node works quite differently, there is no empty blocks, fast confirmation

I believe in Cripty, but technically they are behind the Node


Let me start off by saying I don't dislike the Node team nor do I wish them ill will. I hope we can both be extremely successful in our own niches of this industry. It's obvious we are taking slightly different approaches and have very different long term goals.

With that being said, let's examine your misunderstanding of the two projects and clarify.

Node has a fast and small blockchain because it doesn't do any calculations. It's randomly assigning blocks to forgers right now. Their Proof of Activity system isn't implemented yet so they don't have the same kind of data to store. When we released our first test client before the official launch, it was insanely small. Wait 4 months until they figure out PoA and see where it's at. Then we can judge it better.

Second, in a system that rewards users with transaction fees for forging blocks, empty blocks are bad. We have empty blocks too because we are still in the early stages and haven't released custom chains and merchant support which will change our activity quite a bit. We don't want empty blocks.

The point is, wasting time designing a system to eliminate zero blocks from our blockchain is counter intuitive. Instead we will focus our time on ensuring people are getting something from their forged blocks.

Our goal is to get to a point where there won't ever be a block with nothing in it, so all blocks would be forged and added to the blockchain anyways. Why program our code to assume no one will use our network?

Also, their confirmation time works exactly the same as ours. The block isn't actually confirmed by the network until the 60 second point in both systems. They are just creatively explaining how confirmations work in a crypto currency.

As to your third point, I never said they stole our source code. I don't care if they do steal our source code. I said taking credit for a system someone else designed and already implemented into a coin that already exists is dishonest and unprofessional.

What they are doing would be the equivalent of me programming a search engine from scratch that was half as good as Google and then claiming I came up with the idea for a search engine and no one had ever thought of it before. It's ridiculously disrespectful. We put a lot of time and thought into designing this system (I personally worked on it for months).

How can you say we are behind node when they are basically a tech demo at this point? The client they currently have is where we were at before we even wrote our announcement thread. None of their listed features have been implemented in the actual code yet.

Please don't post misinformation or misleading information in our thread.
We don't want to explain, try to do it, there will always be people who do not know the real thing, there will always be people who have no solution
hero member
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Proof of Activity (PoA) from back in June. Didn't read it to see if it's the same or not, but the term at least has been around now.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2014-06-20-proof-of-activity-extending-bitcoins-proof-of-work-via-pos-659275


That whitepaper was written by someone not related to their team and is about expanding the Bitcoin protocol to include additional forms of transaction confirmation with more complex calculations and techniques.
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I think they can just clone it when crypti source code is released.  But hey, imitation is the ultimate form of flattery.

I don't think Node devs are gonna clone anything. They might use some ideas (or might not), but they're not kind of people who steal someone's code.

I'm watching both projects
Technically, the Node wins.
Crypti big and heavy client, takes a lot of memory
Node fast, small blockchain

How Node can steal code if no published source?
Node works quite differently, there is no empty blocks, fast confirmation

I believe in Cripty, but technically they are behind the Node


Let me start off by saying I don't dislike the Node team nor do I wish them ill will. I hope we can both be extremely successful in our own niches of this industry. It's obvious we are taking slightly different approaches and have very different long term goals.

With that being said, let's examine your misunderstanding of the two projects and clarify.

Node has a fast and small blockchain because it doesn't do any calculations. It's randomly assigning blocks to forgers right now. Their Proof of Activity system isn't implemented yet so they don't have the same kind of data to store. When we released our first test client before the official launch, it was insanely small. Wait 4 months until they figure out PoA and see where it's at. Then we can judge it better.

Second, in a system that rewards users with transaction fees for forging blocks, empty blocks are bad. We have empty blocks too because we are still in the early stages and haven't released custom chains and merchant support which will change our activity quite a bit. We don't want empty blocks.

The point is, wasting time designing a system to eliminate zero blocks from our blockchain is counter intuitive. Instead we will focus our time on ensuring people are getting something from their forged blocks.

Our goal is to get to a point where there won't ever be a block with nothing in it, so all blocks would be forged and added to the blockchain anyways. Why program our code to assume no one will use our network?

Also, their confirmation time works exactly the same as ours. The block isn't actually confirmed by the network until the 60 second point in both systems. They are just creatively explaining how confirmations work in a crypto currency.

As to your third point, I never said they stole our source code. I don't care if they do steal our source code. I said taking credit for a system someone else designed and already implemented into a coin that already exists is dishonest and unprofessional.

What they are doing would be the equivalent of me programming a search engine from scratch that was half as good as Google and then claiming I came up with the idea for a search engine and no one had ever thought of it before. It's ridiculously disrespectful. We put a lot of time and thought into designing this system (I personally worked on it for months).

How can you say we are behind node when they are basically a tech demo at this point? The client they currently have is where we were at before we even wrote our announcement thread. None of their listed features have been implemented in the actual code yet.

Please don't post misinformation or misleading information in our thread.
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The problem with free advice is you get what you pay for.

The problem with Taunsew/rabbiter/CFA is these guys got free stakes in NEM and NODE because they have no money which leads me to believe they are teenagers. They troll competing coin threads because that's all they know how to do. They don't realize that their trolling is actually a guide to which projects have a future otherwise they wouldn't be here wasting time. I use the term "they" but likely are all the same person.
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Crypti was only announced in June when NODE was announced back in February.  Who is copying who?  To me it looks like crypti came out of nowhere, took concepts from NXT, NEM and NODE and created a baby combining the three.  I know this is probable as I read a prior post which traced Crypti to Millderprod (a NXTer... well a former one.. he hasn't used his account in ages).


Too bad the developers were down with the downs and raced out to release a coin that didn't appeal to anyone, looks like an upstage attempt which failed.

NODE for me works flawless, has a windows wallet, located in a crypto friendly country, fair distribution, et cetera.  Crypti has been out for months.  NODE is only on day #9 of trading (it's still weeding out the early investors but it shouldn't take much longer) and almost has half the capitalization of Crypti which has been out for 1.5 months.


After NODE starts promotion and makes more announcements it'll shoot past Crypti.  Smart money should be pulling out of Crypti while it still has a chance.
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Well, i have made few transactions with Crypti and have to say they were almost instant!

Even Bitcoin transactions are almost instant but question is how much time one must wait to be sure transaction will not be messed with - double spending of coins and such stuff.
If you are impressed by how fast all new altcoins propagate transactions just wait until amount of nodes on their networks reach 10,000 or so, you surely gonna notice some delays.

I understand that you guys have not even read carefully White Paper Node.

"As the name implies the transaction verification is executed at blazing speeds, allowing to have more than 50 confirmations within a second. This feature is introduced and pioneered by NODE."

Where Bitcoin or Crypti makes instant confirmation



And you believed that? Sometime you have to use your own logic when reading things.
sr. member
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Well, i have made few transactions with Crypti and have to say they were almost instant!

Even Bitcoin transactions are almost instant but question is how much time one must wait to be sure transaction will not be messed with - double spending of coins and such stuff.
If you are impressed by how fast all new altcoins propagate transactions just wait until amount of nodes on their networks reach 10,000 or so, you surely gonna notice some delays.

I understand that you guys have not even read carefully White Paper Node.

"As the name implies the transaction verification is executed at blazing speeds, allowing to have more than 50 confirmations within a second. This feature is introduced and pioneered by NODE."

Where Bitcoin or Crypti makes instant confirmation

The fact that Node uses the mechanism of the Forge Crypti, maybe they were inspired by Crypti. I do not know, but it's very different coins.


Don't say what, see results.
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Mintpal tomorrow and windows wallet I think, looks good!

Don't worry about Node real amateurs haha. You waste your time arguing with them. Everybody clones eachother everyday.
A lot of people got it for free that is why you will see so much good talk of it.
Just don't release your source code, however have your code reviewed by a trustworthy third party.
I amongst others will invest when we know what we are buying.  Wink
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Crypti Community Manager
Yesterday I had a meeting with one of the team members. He was traveling to me, to my home town (in Germany). Everything went fine, we talked quite a bit about Crypti and its future.

I can say, that no other coin put that much work into their community. They are handling everything very professional. No comparison against any other coin. So I am very optimistic about Crypti.

I'm glad to be a part of this.

so you met every freakin coin dev in the world to end up with that sentence right ?

Sorry man, I meant 2nd gen coins.

lol np Smiley

just bored of seing how great are "devs" in every damn thread  Cheesy

there's a shitload of people doing decent job in crypto; stuff like the jl777 worship make me vomit.

cheers

You realize that I'm not talking about devs, but about community efforts?

yup i know how to read but this sentence just doesn't make sense. how a coin could put efforts in anything ? so i assumed you were talking about devs.

np tho; only miscommunication Smiley

Coin=whole team, not only the devs. And as I was only talking about the community effort, all I said is true.
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Node has finally announced their "new mechanism for a secured an equitable forging process". It's called Proof of Activity (PoA) and is a combination of node up-time and purchase activity. Sound familiar? That's because it is. We designed it and released a whitepaper about it 4 months ago.

I was not surprised to see that Node would copy Crypti mechanism and use a new name to claim the originality. If you have followed their thread long enough you would understand the way they think and do things.

My suggestion to Crypti is that you don't need to open source code for everything in the beginning and hold your code as long as possible. I rather see the clones to admit they are clones rather than claim the originality by just using a different name.
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Well, i have made few transactions with Crypti and have to say they were almost instant!

Even Bitcoin transactions are almost instant but question is how much time one must wait to be sure transaction will not be messed with - double spending of coins and such stuff.
If you are impressed by how fast all new altcoins propagate transactions just wait until amount of nodes on their networks reach 10,000 or so, you surely gonna notice some delays.
hero member
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Yesterday I had a meeting with one of the team members. He was traveling to me, to my home town (in Germany). Everything went fine, we talked quite a bit about Crypti and its future.

I can say, that no other coin put that much work into their community. They are handling everything very professional. No comparison against any other coin. So I am very optimistic about Crypti.

I'm glad to be a part of this.

so you met every freakin coin dev in the world to end up with that sentence right ?

Sorry man, I meant 2nd gen coins.

lol np Smiley

just bored of seing how great are "devs" in every damn thread  Cheesy

there's a shitload of people doing decent job in crypto; stuff like the jl777 worship make me vomit.

cheers

You realize that I'm not talking about devs, but about community efforts?

yup i know how to read but this sentence just doesn't make sense. how a coin could put efforts in anything ? so i assumed you were talking about devs.

np tho; only miscommunication Smiley
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I think they can just clone it when crypti source code is released.  But hey, imitation is the ultimate form of flattery.

I don't think Node devs are gonna clone anything. They might use some ideas (or might not), but they're not kind of people who steal someone's code.

I'm watching both projects
Technically, the Node wins.
Crypti big and heavy client, takes a lot of memory
Node fast, small blockchain

How Node can steal code if no published source?
Node works quite differently, there is no empty blocks, fast confirmation

I believe in Cripty, but technically they are behind the Node



So you say techincally Crypti is behind the Node but Node actually didnt develop any of the code yet?
Also, i dont think see why is Node faster with transactions than Crypti? Dont know, it seems to me even a bit slower actually.


I compare the two clients, Crypti uses a lot of memory
At Node instant confirmation, a very different technology
Try to make one transaction in the Node and see the difference.

The main result is not code

Well, i have made few transactions with Crypti and have to say they were almost instant!
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Crypti Community Manager
Yesterday I had a meeting with one of the team members. He was traveling to me, to my home town (in Germany). Everything went fine, we talked quite a bit about Crypti and its future.

I can say, that no other coin put that much work into their community. They are handling everything very professional. No comparison against any other coin. So I am very optimistic about Crypti.

I'm glad to be a part of this.

so you met every freakin coin dev in the world to end up with that sentence right ?

Sorry man, I meant 2nd gen coins.

lol np Smiley

just bored of seing how great are "devs" in every damn thread  Cheesy

there's a shitload of people doing decent job in crypto; stuff like the jl777 worship make me vomit.

cheers

You realize that I'm not talking about devs, but about community efforts?
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I think they can just clone it when crypti source code is released.  But hey, imitation is the ultimate form of flattery.

I don't think Node devs are gonna clone anything. They might use some ideas (or might not), but they're not kind of people who steal someone's code.

I'm watching both projects
Technically, the Node wins.
Crypti big and heavy client, takes a lot of memory
Node fast, small blockchain

How Node can steal code if no published source?
Node works quite differently, there is no empty blocks, fast confirmation

I believe in Cripty, but technically they are behind the Node



So you say techincally Crypti is behind the Node but Node actually didnt develop any of the code yet?
Also, i dont think see why is Node faster with transactions than Crypti? Dont know, it seems to me even a bit slower actually.


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Yesterday I had a meeting with one of the team members. He was traveling to me, to my home town (in Germany). Everything went fine, we talked quite a bit about Crypti and its future.

I can say, that no other coin put that much work into their community. They are handling everything very professional. No comparison against any other coin. So I am very optimistic about Crypti.

I'm glad to be a part of this.

so you met every freakin coin dev in the world to end up with that sentence right ?

Sorry man, I meant 2nd gen coins.

lol np Smiley

just bored of seing how great are "devs" in every damn thread  Cheesy

there's a shitload of people doing decent job in crypto; stuff like the jl777 worship make me vomit.

cheers
legendary
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That 8 BTC sell wall looks quite yummy
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Crypti Community Manager
Yesterday I had a meeting with one of the team members. He was traveling to me, to my home town (in Germany). Everything went fine, we talked quite a bit about Crypti and its future.

I can say, that no other coin put that much work into their community. They are handling everything very professional. No comparison against any other coin. So I am very optimistic about Crypti.

I'm glad to be a part of this.

so you met every freakin coin dev in the world to end up with that sentence right ?

Sorry man, I meant 2nd gen coins.
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