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Quote from: mr_random on June 13, 2014, 06:30:58 PM

So I notice our friend Chaeplin, is doing a lot of talking in the other XC topic and his criticisms fall into two categories below which I respond to here:

1. Xnodes could in theory "steal" XC.

Answer: My understanding is that Rev 2 will have a trust learning algorithm and the dev has said coins cannot be stolen. However if we look at DRK, I believe they use signatures which removes the incentive for mixer nodes to steal the mixed coins. Why don't we also do that ON TOP of the trust learning algorithm? Then we have the best of both and that completely destroys the argument.

2. XC transfer is not anonymous and can be linked

Answer: Dev has an open challenge right now that hasn't been solved yet, based on the new multi-path protocol. I'm confident in the devs ability. I would also be interested to see whether Chaeplins methods can be applied to DRK?

Evan from DRK said:

Quote from: Propulsion on June 14, 2014, 01:37:39 AM

The problems addressed in this were handled hundreds of pages ago. Darksend isn't finished yet and was never promised to be 100% anonymous unless you use great care. Plus RC4 will have great improvements to the anonymity offered.

So yea, DRK is not 100% anonymous.

With this in mind should drk not premodern anonymous from their thread title, or at least replace with "trying to be but not 100% anonymous"

They are so concerned about scams and helpfully come over here, maybe they should address some of their concern onto their own thread!

Please do not reveal the truth of DRK, since DRKer will bite XC hysterically

Oh man

this is the reason XC is treated with such animosity from Darkcoin. Post's like these.

Only huge DRK bagholders like you treat it with animosity... most normal people don't give a crap...

I think this post really show your true color....

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Oh man

this is the reason XC is treated with such animosity from Darkcoin. Post's like these.

XC is not treated with animosity from Darkcoin.
99.9% of the people don't care

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The Buck Stops Here.

Quote from: CrazyLeoW on June 14, 2014, 01:27:21 AM

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Quote from: mr_random on June 13, 2014, 06:30:58 PM

So I notice our friend Chaeplin, is doing a lot of talking in the other XC topic and his criticisms fall into two categories below which I respond to here:

1. Xnodes could in theory "steal" XC.

Answer: My understanding is that Rev 2 will have a trust learning algorithm and the dev has said coins cannot be stolen. However if we look at DRK, I believe they use signatures which removes the incentive for mixer nodes to steal the mixed coins. Why don't we also do that ON TOP of the trust learning algorithm? Then we have the best of both and that completely destroys the argument.

2. XC transfer is not anonymous and can be linked

Answer: Dev has an open challenge right now that hasn't been solved yet, based on the new multi-path protocol. I'm confident in the devs ability. I would also be interested to see whether Chaeplins methods can be applied to DRK?

Evan from DRK said:

Quote from: Artoodeetoo on June 14, 2014, 01:07:09 AM

The problems addressed in this were handled hundreds of pages ago. Darksend isn't finished yet and was never promised to be 100% anonymous unless you use great care. Plus RC4 will have great improvements to the anonymity offered.

So yea, DRK is not 100% anonymous.

With this in mind should drk not premodern anonymous from their thread title, or at least replace with "trying to be but not 100% anonymous"

They are so concerned about scams and helpfully come over here, maybe they should address some of their concern onto their own thread!

Please do not reveal the truth of DRK, since DRKer will bite XC hysterically

Oh man

this is the reason XC is treated with such animosity from Darkcoin. Post's like these.

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Quote from: mr_random on June 13, 2014, 06:30:58 PM

So I notice our friend Chaeplin, is doing a lot of talking in the other XC topic and his criticisms fall into two categories below which I respond to here:

1. Xnodes could in theory "steal" XC.

Answer: My understanding is that Rev 2 will have a trust learning algorithm and the dev has said coins cannot be stolen. However if we look at DRK, I believe they use signatures which removes the incentive for mixer nodes to steal the mixed coins. Why don't we also do that ON TOP of the trust learning algorithm? Then we have the best of both and that completely destroys the argument.

2. XC transfer is not anonymous and can be linked

Answer: Dev has an open challenge right now that hasn't been solved yet, based on the new multi-path protocol. I'm confident in the devs ability. I would also be interested to see whether Chaeplins methods can be applied to DRK?

Evan from DRK said:

The problems addressed in this were handled hundreds of pages ago. Darksend isn't finished yet and was never promised to be 100% anonymous unless you use great care. Plus RC4 will have great improvements to the anonymity offered.

So yea, DRK is not 100% anonymous.

With this in mind should drk not premodern anonymous from their thread title, or at least replace with "trying to be but not 100% anonymous"

They are so concerned about scams and helpfully come over here, maybe they should address some of their concern onto their own thread!

Please do not reveal the truth of DRK, since DRKer will bite XC hysterically

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Quote from: mr_random on June 13, 2014, 06:30:58 PM

So I notice our friend Chaeplin, is doing a lot of talking in the other XC topic and his criticisms fall into two categories below which I respond to here:

1. Xnodes could in theory "steal" XC.

Answer: My understanding is that Rev 2 will have a trust learning algorithm and the dev has said coins cannot be stolen. However if we look at DRK, I believe they use signatures which removes the incentive for mixer nodes to steal the mixed coins. Why don't we also do that ON TOP of the trust learning algorithm? Then we have the best of both and that completely destroys the argument.

2. XC transfer is not anonymous and can be linked

Answer: Dev has an open challenge right now that hasn't been solved yet, based on the new multi-path protocol. I'm confident in the devs ability. I would also be interested to see whether Chaeplins methods can be applied to DRK?

Evan from DRK said:

Quote from: JakeThePanda on June 13, 2014, 11:39:40 PM

The problems addressed in this were handled hundreds of pages ago. Darksend isn't finished yet and was never promised to be 100% anonymous unless you use great care. Plus RC4 will have great improvements to the anonymity offered.

So yea, DRK is not 100% anonymous.

With this in mind should drk not premodern anonymous from their thread title, or at least replace with "trying to be but not 100% anonymous"

They are so concerned about scams and helpfully come over here, maybe they should address some of their concern onto their own thread!

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Quote from: stealth923 on June 13, 2014, 08:56:29 PM

Quote from: evtrmm on June 13, 2014, 08:51:40 PM

Quote from: stealth923 on June 13, 2014, 08:34:52 PM

Quote from: JakeThePanda on June 13, 2014, 08:20:52 PM

Quote from: stealth923 on June 13, 2014, 08:56:29 PM

Love the way things are headed. The Dev keeps the upgrades rolling in. Every time I see an update from atc I

. Keep up the great work guys. I am now 100% confident that true anon will happen very soon, and it will be right here with XC. I keep checking the price and laugh to myself.

To whomever is keeping the price down thank you. I need to buy as many as possible before the price hits .01

I'm convinced that rev 1.5 is 100% anonymous. With all the FUD that ATCsecure and XC has endured and nobody has even made a guess so far?

You are convinced - wow you are easily swayed. Its that nobody cares to waste time on this, hence no replies.

Wow, you just replied. Maybe you would be swayed to quit wasting your time being that nobody cares. Your not convinced?

Hence?

some people need to be told the obvious

You must be a joker. With all the time you, chaeplin, and others spend in XC threads trying to discredit the dev and XC and all of a sudden you don't care enough to waste your time? You can't crack it and that's the bottom line. Do it and i pay you 1btc from my own stash.

Now this is a guy that puts his money where his mouth is !!!

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Quote from: evtrmm on June 13, 2014, 08:51:40 PM

Quote from: stealth923 on June 13, 2014, 08:34:52 PM

Quote from: JakeThePanda on June 13, 2014, 08:20:52 PM

Quote from: jordanlcn on June 13, 2014, 08:40:14 PM

Love the way things are headed. The Dev keeps the upgrades rolling in. Every time I see an update from atc I

. Keep up the great work guys. I am now 100% confident that true anon will happen very soon, and it will be right here with XC. I keep checking the price and laugh to myself.

To whomever is keeping the price down thank you. I need to buy as many as possible before the price hits .01

I'm convinced that rev 1.5 is 100% anonymous. With all the FUD that ATCsecure and XC has endured and nobody has even made a guess so far?

You are convinced - wow you are easily swayed. Its that nobody cares to waste time on this, hence no replies.

Wow, you just replied. Maybe you would be swayed to quit wasting your time being that nobody cares. Your not convinced?

Hence?

some people need to be told the obvious

You must be a joker. With all the time you, chaeplin, and others spend in XC threads trying to discredit the dev and XC and all of a sudden you don't care enough to waste your time? You can't crack it and that's the bottom line. Do it and i pay you 1btc from my own stash.

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Quote from: fourdegrees11 on June 13, 2014, 08:08:00 PM

Is there any way we can get an update to more accurately reflect the estimated reward time for minting? Hours go by and it changes by a minute or two.

Here is a screen shot of my wallet that shows minting (Mined). In my experience it is counted in Days (7-9 days) not hours. However please note this is based on my own experience. What you see "Expected Time to earn reward" is actually bugged currently. Or it actually means something else. I don't really know, but based on the description of the coin it says 8 hours to 30 days.

https://i.imgur.com/NG6Mqc0.jpg

Thanks!

May I ask approximately how much XC do you have for those returns?

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Quote from: mr_random on June 13, 2014, 06:30:58 PM

So I notice our friend Chaeplin, is doing a lot of talking in the other XC topic and his criticisms fall into two categories below which I respond to here:

1. Xnodes could in theory "steal" XC.

Answer: My understanding is that Rev 2 will have a trust learning algorithm and the dev has said coins cannot be stolen.

He said IIRC "mixers don't steal coins" . People do

No problem if all parts of the tx's go on the same block.

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However if we look at DRK, I believe they use signatures which removes the incentive for mixer nodes to steal the mixed coins. Why don't we also do that ON TOP of the trust learning algorithm? Then we have the best of both and that completely destroys the argument.

Can you ealborate. I'd love to get this clear. In the unmod thread it is being claimed IIUC that DRK just witnesses and verifies the transaction, which is different to there just being an incentive not to steal, while having the ability to. I'm just asking here and trying to learn and I'm not very tech savvy.

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2. XC transfer is not anonymous and can be linked

Answer: Dev has an open challenge right now that hasn't been solved yet, based on the new multi-path protocol. I'm confident in the devs ability. I would also be interested to see whether Chaeplins methods can be applied to DRK?

In its present form, the XC mixer, like coinjoin leaves some trail, and if there are only a few transactions to choose from the possibility of guessing is greatly improved. At least that's how I understand it.

Chaeplins method or one similar could be applied to DRK IIUC, because even though the coins get mixed there is still some information, some clues, but again IIUC it's not the "hard link" that Dan the dev asked for. I think Kristov Atlas has something that can be applied to DRK to do just that

I'd love to hear the thoughts of other to see if i've misunderstood.
Peace to all

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Quote from: strombert on June 13, 2014, 09:06:23 PM

as a non-technical high frequency-noob I am still hodling all my XC at Mintpal.
I don't want to update all 3 days, or have probs with loosing coins n stuff.
But I want to mint, too. Undecided

There's no case of people losing coins by having their coins in their wallet....

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as a non-technical high frequency-noob I am still hodling all my XC at Mintpal.
I don't want to update all 3 days, or have probs with loosing coins n stuff.
But I want to mint, too. Undecided

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Quote from: shakesbear on June 13, 2014, 06:29:32 PM

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Quote from: shakesbear on June 13, 2014, 04:35:48 PM

Enough Said about chaeplin

Chaeplin is the only person who seems to have done any real work testing this product for the developer. He is the only one who spent a lot of time posting a lot of info in the thread
So now we abuse him and also ask that he test the product.
Wake up please!!!

Is anyone else here going to do what Chaeplin is doing for the sake of maybe winning a lousy 100 XC?

We should be thanking him!!!

come on dude... You can't be serious.

I'm very serious. And I'm a XC holder.

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His intention is to make XC look bad, not to help you solve your problem .

You don't know his intentions. Secondly he has been a help to me understanding this coin. If i want to buy a coin I want to know what the potential problems are.

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And I don't see why XC and darkcoin can't co-exist

Me either

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But intentional slandering of each other can hurt both coin.

Where has Chaeplin slandered anyone?
Yet you yourself have just accused him of bad intentions , yet you can't know his intentions.

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Quote from: evtrmm on June 13, 2014, 08:51:40 PM

Quote from: stealth923 on June 13, 2014, 08:34:52 PM

Quote from: JakeThePanda on June 13, 2014, 08:20:52 PM

Quote from: stealth923 on June 13, 2014, 08:34:52 PM

Love the way things are headed. The Dev keeps the upgrades rolling in. Every time I see an update from atc I

. Keep up the great work guys. I am now 100% confident that true anon will happen very soon, and it will be right here with XC. I keep checking the price and laugh to myself.

To whomever is keeping the price down thank you. I need to buy as many as possible before the price hits .01

I'm convinced that rev 1.5 is 100% anonymous. With all the FUD that ATCsecure and XC has endured and nobody has even made a guess so far?

You are convinced - wow you are easily swayed. Its that nobody cares to waste time on this, hence no replies.

Wow, you just replied. Maybe you would be swayed to quit wasting your time being that nobody cares. Your not convinced?

Hence?

some people need to be told the obvious

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So much for "Community"

Quote from: JakeThePanda on June 13, 2014, 08:20:52 PM

Quote from: mr_random on June 13, 2014, 06:30:58 PM

Love the way things are headed. The Dev keeps the upgrades rolling in. Every time I see an update from atc I

. Keep up the great work guys. I am now 100% confident that true anon will happen very soon, and it will be right here with XC. I keep checking the price and laugh to myself.

To whomever is keeping the price down thank you. I need to buy as many as possible before the price hits .01

I'm convinced that rev 1.5 is 100% anonymous. With all the FUD that ATCsecure and XC has endured and nobody has even made a guess so far?

You are convinced - wow you are easily swayed. Its that nobody cares to waste time on this, hence no replies.

Wow, you just replied. Maybe you would be swayed to quit wasting your time being that nobody cares. Your not convinced?

Hence?

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So I notice our friend Chaeplin, is doing a lot of talking in the other XC topic and his criticisms fall into two categories below which I respond to here:

1. Xnodes could in theory "steal" XC.

Answer: My understanding is that Rev 2 will have a trust learning algorithm and the dev has said coins cannot be stolen. However if we look at DRK, I believe they use signatures which removes the incentive for mixer nodes to steal the mixed coins. Why don't we also do that ON TOP of the trust learning algorithm? Then we have the best of both and that completely destroys the argument.

2. XC transfer is not anonymous and can be linked

Answer: Dev has an open challenge right now that hasn't been solved yet, based on the new multi-path protocol. I'm confident in the devs ability. I would also be interested to see whether Chaeplins methods can be applied to DRK?

Evan from DRK said:

Quote from: JakeThePanda on June 13, 2014, 08:20:52 PM

The problems addressed in this were handled hundreds of pages ago. Darksend isn't finished yet and was never promised to be 100% anonymous unless you use great care. Plus RC4 will have great improvements to the anonymity offered.

So yea, DRK is not 100% anonymous.

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^ happened to me

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Quote from: jordanlcn on June 13, 2014, 08:40:14 PM

Love the way things are headed. The Dev keeps the upgrades rolling in. Every time I see an update from atc I

. Keep up the great work guys. I am now 100% confident that true anon will happen very soon, and it will be right here with XC. I keep checking the price and laugh to myself.

To whomever is keeping the price down thank you. I need to buy as many as possible before the price hits .01

I'm convinced that rev 1.5 is 100% anonymous. With all the FUD that ATCsecure and XC has endured and nobody has even made a guess so far?

If it is breakable at the moment, it will probably take a good bit of time and effort to crack it. I made an attempt at it, but that isn't saying much. I am sure there are a few math prodigies out there that will give it a thorough exam.

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Quote from: fourdegrees11 on June 13, 2014, 08:08:00 PM

Is there any way we can get an update to more accurately reflect the estimated reward time for minting? Hours go by and it changes by a minute or two.

Here is a screen shot of my wallet that shows minting (Mined). In my experience it is counted in Days (7-9 days) not hours. However please note this is based on my own experience. What you see "Expected Time to earn reward" is actually bugged currently. Or it actually means something else. I don't really know, but based on the description of the coin it says 8 hours to 30 days.

i agree, instead of 1, 4 or 9 hours when hover over staking or mining axes it should be static and state something like, "staking take 8hrs to 30days". when people see 2hrs, 5hrs or 2days till staking but when time come nothing happen then they will think there is bug or their staking is not working.

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Quote from: fourdegrees11 on June 13, 2014, 08:08:00 PM

Is there any way we can get an update to more accurately reflect the estimated reward time for minting? Hours go by and it changes by a minute or two.

Here is a screen shot of my wallet that shows minting (Mined). In my experience it is counted in Days (7-9 days) not hours. However please note this is based on my own experience. What you see "Expected Time to earn reward" is actually bugged currently. Or it actually means something else. I don't really know, but based on the description of the coin it says 8 hours to 30 days.

https://i.imgur.com/NG6Mqc0.jpg

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Quote from: stealth923 on June 13, 2014, 08:34:52 PM

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