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Topic: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos - page 1243. (Read 1484248 times)

legendary
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- However in my opinion it would be wrong to conclude that Chaeplin is a fudder, since we do not have a "hard link" proving his intentions. There is evidence, sure, but let's not make Chaeplin's mistake of conflating possibility with certainty. We would act honourably by giving him the benefit of the doubt. And in acting honourably, we raise the ethic of this thread, which makes XC's community more attractive. Let's do XC proud.

^ +1000

I don't have enough tech knowledge to comment on the analysis but either way, this last paragraph is spot on. Let's take the high road people.
newbie
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well it looks like they cant crack down v1.5 that dev provided so they have to resort to other measures. I guess XC forum much more targetable than the BTC talk itself

I think you don't realize why the forum is under ddos? are you stupid?  Roll Eyes

@Teka now you know why your forum is under ddos. policymaker is a nice example.


And I know why we r discussing such things right now, you r the best example.

Some people in this community know the truth, you are a troll.

constant drk namedropping has to stop, its bringing trolls in the thread polluting it which results in an unatractive environement for new investors , don't you get this.
plus its a sign of weaknes. XCs goal isn't beating drk, its beeing the best solution for privacy in crypto no matter the competition. concentrate your enthusiasm and efforts on XC not other coins.
+1
legendary
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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
Hi everyone. I thought I'd make some sense of the work that Chaeplin has done on XC. (Summary: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7270701.)

First, this is what ATCSECURE provided:

  • Sender address: ?
  • Wallet B: XYyMMG1VQHyRhAQWGdRQ9AEfdwSuG7w18G
  • Wallet C: XZvkTGD9hMiRuMByqCkHgRTNAu5J5fWnJV
  • Recipient address: XVrqrpe2ZDmykAnjcAHN6McbuDEjBZSvRZ
  • Payment process: "The mixer tells the [sender address] to send coins to wallet b, however wallet C is used to send coins to the [recipient address], there is NO link from wallet B to wallet C unless somebody manually moves the coins from C to B."
  • Aspect of payment being tested: the assertion that there is no link in the Blockchain from Wallet B to Wallet C. Testers are required to falsify this claim in order to receive a bounty.


This is what Chaeplin did:

1. He utilised a technique known as "Satoshi Spam," which is a matter of sending tiny amounts to addresses. One can use this to watch where the money flows in order to work out which addresses have common ownership.

2. Satoshi Spam is based on the pre-coinjoin principle that, given a transaction with multiple inputs and a single output, it follows that the inputs are owned by the same entity. For example, if 7 addresses were spammed with BTC 0.000001 and then all of these addresses were used to pay the resulting amount to another address, one can thereby conclude that the 7 addresses are owned by one person, and in all likelihood are in the same wallet.

3. However, coinjoin falsifies the assumption behind Satoshi Spam because coinjoin uses input addresses owned by several parties are to pay one or more recipient addresses. Thus if coinjoin is even partly implemented for a given coin, it becomes false to assume that one party owns the input addresses, since it's possible that there could be several owners.

4. Chaeplin implemented Satoshi Spam by sending small amounts to Wallet B and Wallet C.

5. His intention was to watch the blockchain to see where the amounts he sent to Wallets B and C would end up when the wallets spent the money.

6. His observation of the blockchain revealed the following information:
    - Wallets B and C sent payments somewhere, but the outputs are not given in the blockchain
    - Wallets B and C also paid transaction fees for the payments, but the addresses they're paid to are not given in the blockchain

7. With this information, Chaeplin constructs the following account:
    - Once Wallets B and C spend the money sent to them, the transaction is recorded in the blockchain, though the recipient address is not.
    - Nonetheless, he has a record that Wallets B and C spent the money.
    - On one occasion, Wallet B spends money, and at a similar time, Wallet C pays a transaction fee.
    - Therefore Wallets B and C are owned by the same entity.

8. However this is obviously false, because:
    - there's no record in the blockchain linking Wallet B's transaction with Wallet C's transaction fee.
    - there's no record in the blockchain that a single address received the money that Wallets B and C spent.

Therefore Chaeplin did not establish proof of a link between Wallets B and C.



Additional comments:

- This analysis is tentative. I might be incorrect about what Chaeplin did. He does not explain why he pastes code and blockchain records in his comments, so it's impossible to be certain about what is argument actually is. I've tried to reconstruct his thought process from what he posted.

- Chaeplin appears to have only a vague grasp of the strategy behind Satoshi Spam. Just as it is ineffective when coinjoin is implemented, it is ineffective when output addresses are not shown, as with XC.

- Chaeplin has clearly shown that a payment from Wallet B and another payment (probably a transaction fee) from Wallet C co-occurred.

- However Chaeplin conflates co-occurrence with a "hard link". Just because a payment from one address and a fee from another address appear in a blockchain at similar times, it does not entail that the two are associated in any way. Even if the blockchain was brand new and consisted of only these two payments, this implication would not be established. Co-occurrence is categorically distinct from a record that one address paid another.

- However in my opinion it would be wrong to conclude that Chaeplin is a fudder, since we do not have a "hard link" proving his intentions. There is evidence, sure, but let's not make Chaeplin's mistake of conflating possibility with certainty. We would act honourably by giving him the benefit of the doubt. And in acting honourably, we raise the ethic of this thread, which makes XC's community more attractive. Let's do XC proud.
full member
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Crypto Currency Supporter
well it looks like they cant crack down v1.5 that dev provided so they have to resort to other measures. I guess XC forum much more targetable than the BTC talk itself

I think you don't realize why the forum is under ddos? are you stupid?  Roll Eyes

@Teka now you know why your forum is under ddos. policymaker is a nice example.


And I know why we r discussing such things right now, you r the best example.
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
constant drk namedropping has to stop, its bringing trolls in the thread polluting it which results in an unatractive environement for new investors , don't you get this.
plus its a sign of weaknes. XCs goal isn't beating drk, its beeing the best solution for privacy in crypto no matter the competition. concentrate your enthusiasm and efforts on XC not other coins.
+1
hero member
Activity: 840
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well it looks like they cant crack down v1.5 that dev provided so they have to resort to other measures. I guess XC forum much more targetable than the BTC talk itself
xctalk.com is not down only forum.xctalk.com so it is not ddos attack or related. i recommended the forums admin should auto backup mysql data every few hours.
i also recommended backup the forums directory in case some file got messed up.

zip directory command;
tar -cvf sitename.tar ./

unzip directory command;
tar -xvf sitename.tar

i'm owner and creator of hostingpost.com and a few other large forum sites.

xctalk.com has a different ip. The last backup was on the 12th (sorry that's my fault since I thought it would do.) so data from that will be used. From now they will be backed up each night.
hero member
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well it looks like they cant crack down v1.5 that dev provided so they have to resort to other measures. I guess XC forum much more targetable than the BTC talk itself

I think you don't realize why the forum is under ddos? are you stupid?  Roll Eyes

Following what you said this forum thread should be under attack since the xcforum only had technical discussion, project development and great questions.

Bitcointalk is bitcointalk, xc is xc, chaplin is chaplin, drk is drk.

I yam what I yam

to be or not to be ...  Cool
legendary
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#mitandopelomundo
legendary
Activity: 2002
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well it looks like they cant crack down v1.5 that dev provided so they have to resort to other measures. I guess XC forum much more targetable than the BTC talk itself

I think you don't realize why the forum is under ddos? are you stupid?  Roll Eyes

Following what you said this forum thread should be under attack since the xcforum only had technical discussion, project development and great questions.

Bitcointalk is bitcointalk, xc is xc, chaplin is chaplin, drk is drk.

I yam what I yam
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 1000
when is the deadline for the latest test ? any news about the encrypted messaging ?i heard it should come first beta this weekend. Teka i think its a good idea you stick around here , not nessesary for moderation but just as a voice of XC.
legendary
Activity: 1764
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well it looks like they cant crack down v1.5 that dev provided so they have to resort to other measures. I guess XC forum much more targetable than the BTC talk itself
xctalk.com is not down only forum.xctalk.com so it is not ddos attack or related. i recommended the forums admin should auto backup mysql data every few hours.
i also recommended backup the forums directory in case some file got messed up.

zip directory command;
tar -cvf sitename.tar ./

unzip directory command;
tar -xvf sitename.tar

i'm owner and creator of hostingpost.com and a few other large forum sites.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
well it looks like they cant crack down v1.5 that dev provided so they have to resort to other measures. I guess XC forum much more targetable than the BTC talk itself

I think you don't realize why the forum is under ddos? are you stupid?  Roll Eyes

Following what you said this forum thread should be under attack since the xcforum only had technical discussion, project development and great questions.

Bitcointalk is bitcointalk, xc is xc, chaplin is chaplin, drk is drk.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
well it looks like they cant crack down v1.5 that dev provided so they have to resort to other measures. I guess XC forum much more targetable than the BTC talk itself

I think you don't realize why the forum is under ddos? are you stupid?  Roll Eyes

Following what you said this forum thread should be under attack since the xcforum only had technical discussion, project development and great questions.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
well it looks like they cant crack down v1.5 that dev provided so they have to resort to other measures. I guess XC forum much more targetable than the BTC talk itself

I think you don't realize why the forum is under ddos? are you stupid?  Roll Eyes

@Teka now you know why your forum is under ddos. policymaker is a nice example.
full member
Activity: 210
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Crypto Currency Supporter
well it looks like they cant crack down v1.5 that dev provided so they have to resort to other measures. I guess XC forum much more targetable than the BTC talk itself
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
No a plugin broke the forum and I had to restore it during that process apache was turned. It works for me now.

It doesn't work for me.

It's a ddos, i'm not 99% sure... but 100%.

You don't realize how your community destroy XC.

Moderate your thread.

Cordially.

As I said traffic data says otherwise. The forum is moderated and I'm thinking about moderating this thread again since people want it.

edit: So it looks like you are right about the ddos part.

forum is down for me too

Yeah I've shut the server down for now.
sr. member
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No a plugin broke the forum and I had to restore it during that process apache was turned. It works for me now.

It doesn't work for me.

It's a ddos, i'm not 99% sure... but 100%.

You don't realize how your community destroy XC.

Moderate your thread.

Cordially.

As I said traffic data says otherwise. The forum is moderated and I'm thinking about moderating this thread again since people want it.

edit: So it looks like you are right about the ddos part.

forum is down for me too
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
No a plugin broke the forum and I had to restore it during that process apache was turned. It works for me now.

It doesn't work for me.

It's a ddos, i'm not 99% sure... but 100%.

You don't realize how your community destroy XC.

Moderate your thread.

Cordially.

As I said traffic data says otherwise. The forum is moderated and I'm thinking about moderating this thread again since people want it.

edit: So it looks like you are right about the ddos part.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
No a plugin broke the forum and I had to restore it during that process apache was turned. It works for me now.

It doesn't work for me.

It's a ddos, i'm not 99% sure... but 100%.

You don't realize how your community destroy XC.

Moderate your thread.

Cordially.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
There was a problem with the forum.. it had to be restored the last backup which was the 12th of june.

Still can't access it.

In the process of being restored

It's backup, I apologize for the inconvenience. forum.xctalk.com

Doesn't work.

Maybe you are under ddos since your community are trying to put down others coins?  Roll Eyes

Captain obvious.


I was wondering when conspiracy would start Cheesy

No a plugin broke the forum and I had to restore it during that process apache was turned. It works for me now.

edit: Well it's down working to see whats up but traffic charts/data looks normal
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