Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1054. (Read 4670673 times)

Can we please stop talking about Dash/Darkcoin* on the Monero thread?

You guys should talk about it amongst yourselves and see what sort of commitment you can come up with for what price. I know we talked about this before and you weren't willing to commit to delivering any particular product, but maybe you could commit to full time development for a given period of time. I think that would satisfy people. If you can come up with something that we could crowd fund than im sure we could find some way of accommodating that.

Yes, we (at least myself) can stop talking about evancoin on the Monero thread

*please note that evancoin's privacy is weak:

www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zufu1/a_great_podcast_by_lets_talk_bitcoin_discussing/cpmvogy?context=3

Haha no problem. Just want to point out that your professionalism was one of the significant motivating factors that lead me to finally diversify into Monero.

Sure, now Monero devs can only offer excuses, because of the goal missed in their gates. Truly XMR devs and supporters are not quite adequate. They hate everyone. Very strange community.

I hope it's been demonstrated with MyMonero that we know a thing or two about UX and simplicity, and that will translate to the GUI.

That said, it's simply not acceptable for us (to echo your words) to put lipstick on a pig and ship a GUI that is pleasant enough, but takes 4 days to sync from scratch, requires 6+gb of RAM, sucks a ton of bandwidth, and is accepted nearly nowhere.

We will deliver a proverbial work of art, but it requires building out parts of the foundation that we had previously viewed as less of a priority (until the 202612 attack). Oh, and we're doing it on like no money, so there's that.

Can we please stop talking about Dash/Darkcoin* on the Monero thread?



*Please note that Dash/Darkcoin has been instamined for 2 million.

That drk is good for privacy.

That drk wasn't insta, fast or opportunistically mined. Do you really think if Evan and his friends weren't the ones who benefitted most that the coin would not be relaunched? Don't rename it, relaunch it if you won't to avoid the scam label.

Our beloved core team member David Latapie is being considered for the hugely coveted title of Altcoin Gangster. Although in connection with his other coin, I think we should still give him some Monero love over here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/altcoin-gangsters-poll-who-willl-rot-in-prison-for-scam-723764

Is it not right to present them with facts in the face of FUD shilling so that they can make a decision based on truth rather then fiction?

Brilliantrocket you always make me laugh. For the longest time with all your Monero heckling I thought you may be a remnant of the Bytecoin trolls, but I've since decided that you're just self-serving (I don't say that as if it's a bad thing). Thanks for keeping us on our toes:)

Ugh, moral crusaders. Fine, don't hire them, the community seems to be doing that job well enough. But do prioritize your time. Anyone can be a righteous crusader, pointing out evil wherever it dwells. Use your time to code. Anyway, just make me rich and we're all good.

You sound like a corrupt politician absolving himself of responsibility. Just because you can't make a horse drink water doesn't mean you lead him further into the desert.

That's not something that you, or anyone in fact, can stop. People will do what they want, and face the consequences accordingly.

Giving one's opinion on a topic of relevance is not being a "moral crusader". Labeling someone who does is really not an effective response. Though I'd also say the documented facts (as opposed to opinion) such as those I laid out a few posts back aren't as well known as you suggest. I would guess you didn't even know those, right?

Note by the way, that I have never said that DRK is a bad investment, short term at least.

Ugh, moral crusaders. Whatever, just make me rich and we're all good.

Concern trolling much?

No one is actively "disparaging competitors" and we certainly aren't going to hire people to do it. We are criticizing an instamine/premine scam with mediocre technology. It doesn't even matter whether it is a competitor or not (a reasonable argument has been made that it isn't). Bytecoin wasn't a competitor of anything when I criticized their ninjamine/premine scam, for example. I don't play favorites.

May I suggest that the Monero core team hire others to disparage competitors, so as not to compromise the speed of Monero's development?

First of all, being buried in a huge FAQ is not "out in the open". Is it stated on the OP along with the coin parameters? Is it included in specifications page on the web site? Those are places where normally relevant facts and parameters about the distribution of a coin are stated. Answers: No and no.

Second, if this is all "out in the open" why do DRK supporters get so upset about it being discussed, attack the person discussing it (including claimed doxing, though I doubt that was accurate), go onto other coin threads complain about it being discussed, etc.?

Third, the DRK FAQ itself is little more than a vehicle for further deception:

1. It claims the instamine took place over 48 hours. In fact the main part of the instamine (approx 1.5 million coins) happened in just 8 hours

2. It claims definitively the coins were sold/distributed (and makes other unsupported statements) when in fact this is entirely unproven and in fact unprovable.

3. It offers no disclosure about some relevant events surrounding the instamine that cast a negative light:

a) Evan promising not to launch for a few days and then doing an ambush launch shortly thereafter with 2 hours notice.

b) That there was a "serious error" in the code during the first two hours of the launch, during which time >500K coins were mined by someone somehow.

c) Any statement about the goals or planned features for the coin was withheld until after the instamine was over. In order to have any reason to mine this coin during that time you would have to literally mine every single generic featureless coin launch, or simply be extremely lucky, which is implausible for any outsiders. In this way the instamine was effectively a premine.

d) Several cuts to the mining reward that were made later (including redirecting them to masternodes i.e. existing coin owners), increasing the relative size of the premine.

Ask yourself: why is it that every single thing that has ever happened before during and after the launch, as well as the subsequent supply of the coin, had the effect of decreasing outside participation and increasing share that benefits insiders? If these were a "mistake" or "accident" you would expect half to fall one way and half the other. Sorry, I don't buy this "coincidence"

Have fun with your instamined/premined scam coin, and go right on running it up as high as it'll go, just don't expect others to remain silent about it.

Just a remember about buying these coins for profit: Darkcoin and Monero are being pumped by an individual (Otoh at Darkcoin, and rpietila at Monero) or a small group of individuals . Maybe they are doing this just to help in the promotion of these coins, the volume of these two coins increased a lot in the last weeks, not just the price. So, be careful. Even they being well-intentioned and well-respected in these communities, we don't know how much and until to these rallies on prices will remain.