Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1094. (Read 4670673 times)

By that time a large percentage of BTC holders will have moved into XMR (or another cryptonote) and BTC will be delegated to GOV control and support and regulation (filling it's own niche role that will not change for any foreseeable future). Those that were stupid (or stubborn) enough to still be heavily in BTC will not have the resources to make a meaningful attack even if they wanted to.

It is not like Privacy is a BTC killer, it will just take a portion of the market.

Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the code or cryptography, but my thoughts on this are always related to network consensus (and this was mentioned somewhere else in the threads). There's enough fanfare currently over increasing blocksize - I can't imagine the hurdle faced if the network wants to switch to a core that introduced privacy. I've seen a couple shocking posts by "legendary" members that are essentially "we don't need a private blockchain".



Regarding the possibilities that bitcoin network operators would attack the monero network by investing resources in either 1) server farms or 2) GPU farms or 3) ASIC development with the explicit purpose of network destabilization: this would require a lot of resources, assuming that at this point monero has grown to the point that it "threatens" the bitcoin network "market share". This would probably require much coordination of the bitcoin network operators.

if it comes to this, IMO, bitcoin has already lost the war in the fight for a decentralized value transfer system. If the above scenario comes to pass, it means that all that bitcoin has done is transfer the power from one set of entrenched elites to another set of entrenched elites. (May the people be always in their good favor.), and the bitcoin network will continue to have to play whackamole.

but enough of this future speak. we're in the now. be here now.  

Thank you jehst.

There's a design and development goals infographic.
https://getmonero.org/design-goals/

That will at least give you the sequence of what will be worked on before what.

Can we have something like: https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Development_schedule?

It was on Facebook. Try this: https://www.facebook.com/groups/MiamiInternationalBitcoin/permalink/424626854358806/?comment_id=424969107657914&offset=50&total_comments=106

Luke-Jr is an outsider with extreme opinions and has not much following inside the BTC community.
He is also an Bitcoin maximalists or as other people call that: "One World Order"-Bitcoiner.

Point II is not worth discussing.

Where can I find his statement on ring signatures?

Sounds like a lot of ill-thought-out nonsense to me.

I'm definitely going to bet against ring signatures in Bitcoin in 2-3 years if someone offers that bet. How long has it taken (so far) to discuss possibly increasing the block size?

People who mostly know about Bitcoin are generally ignorant about other coins (though this doesn't always stop them from commenting about them). I don't entirely fault them for being ignorant though; there are so many other coins and they are so much smaller than Bitcoin, as a Bitcoiner it probably doesn't rationally make sense to study them unless you have some particular personal interest. I do fault them for speaking out of ignorance though. Learn a little or stfu imo.

Two broader thoughts that have come up in discussions elsewhere.

1.) Luke-Jr stated the other day that he foresees ring signature functionality being implemented into Bitcoin in 2-3 years. My response was that even if that actually happens, it wouldn't have a mandatory mix-in level, limiting the anonymity capabilities that Bitcoin could offer with it. However, I've heard others state that you actually wouldn't need a mandatory mix-in level for it to impart "good enough" anonymity for it to kill interest in anything else. Regardless of whether this is true or not, it does sound like something that could steal some remaining thunder from the anonymity-niche coins, given that Bitcoin already has a huge market share.

2.) I've had discussions recently with Bitcoin maximalists who claim that anything built on an altchain cannot succeed, because Bitcoin's blockchain will remain by far the longest chain, and any other altcoin based on a PoW altchain that *ever* begins to compete with Bitcoin for market share will cause interested parties to attack it with the magnitudes of greater resources that are behind the Bitcoin network. My thought on this was that given that Monero uses a different hashing algorithm than Bitcoin, the resources behind Bitcoin couldn't be redirected at Monero in any direct sense (especially if the predominant resources behind Bitcoin are ASICs). Now, that isn't to say that there couldn't *still* be enough incentive involved, if Monero ever became more popular, for Bitcoin supporters to attack Monero by devoting fresh resources/energy to attack it. Thoughts?

I found your

Some pools have a specific feature that lets you specify a payment ID. There is no other purpose for that.

No its mostly pools (not solo mining) and its more likely small miners on pools than large ones, though that could certainly include small botnets. A big botnet would get fairly large payouts on most pools, and solo mining deposits or a big botnet on a private pool would be large too

FTFY

WTF? I can't believe in this, are the miners putting as the mining address an address which belongs to an exchange insteaad of using their own addresses?

I like the minimum deposit idea.

Miners should send XMR to their own wallets first and not mine directly to Poloniex.

The issue with poloniex is somewhat structural. They get a huge number of small deposits from miners who mine directly to the exchange with frequent small payouts. When they try to use these outputs to pay withdrawals the transactions become huge and thus the fees large.

To fix this they may need to institute a minimum deposit or per-deposit fee (can be waived for deposits above some threshold) or some other way to crack down on miners (especially pools) doing this. Otherwise the cost of people making a lot of very small deposits gets shifted to the exchange itself and/or those making withdrawals.

I saw the post about fees. They were not too much imho and worth it if that is the cost for them to change.

I agree that Poloniex is great for Monero. My comment was not directed at them. I am just happy the dev team is working on making a higher mixin mandatory for the entire network.

Pretty sure poloniex is working on getting their mixin to 3.

They almost had it working, but reverted for now, im not sure why, but there were a few angryish posts about having to pay higher fees .. maybe that's why they went back?

I'm sure they'll get it working, they're pretty on top of things.

I think that Monero has very good chance to become the clear winner for the anonymous transaction market for several reasons:

1. All of our coin join based competitors have some degree of centralization and a susceptible to attack and/or data analysis to link the transactions

2. Of all the cryptonote based coins, Monero has by far the best distribution. Monero also has the largest, most transparent and active development team

3. Zero Coin/Zero Cash does not yet exist. By the time it does (assuming no major flaws) our first mover advantage may be too great, assuming our recent progress continues (LMDB, GUI, web wallets, economy, etc)

Having said all of the above, there is one thing that bothers me a lot (the number of required mixins). Unfortunately many Monero transactions (including transactions sent by Poloniex) use 0 mixins, which has serious consequences for the anonymity of those AND related transactions.

http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Issues.pdf

I am glad that the Monero dev team is working on this (per recent missives) and will implement a minimum number of mixins in the future