The big added value of an own forum is a good reason. (From my point of view.)
I never want to nag or force people to anything. I just write, what I think (is best). What I write, should always be unstood as friendly suggestion or requests for discussions/considerations.
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Once again, we need to get the official forum active. This is important. Help to move discussions & users there.
I register my account there now.
I register my account there now.
The "Official" forum won't become active until there's a good reason. You can't nag/force people to migrate and we CLI users like it here (and IRC).
Maybe when the GUI brings more users the community will become large enough to cleave into a new space. But not util then.
Would be awesome if devs can install smf on monerotalk.org just like here. I dont like the current backend.
If they are short on time, i offer to do it for them
If they are short on time, i offer to do it for them
We don't own monerotalk.org, the forum is at forum.getmonero.org
Nonetheless, we've specifically rejected SMF (and similar) for the forum for a number of reasons. Beyond the scalability and ongoing security issues, there's also the difficulty in customising both the functionality to meet our requirements and the look-and-feel to match our site. But most importantly, it doesn't really play into our requirement to create tooling that works for us both now, and into the future when we start introducing the functionality detailed towards the end of the research portion of our Design and Development Goals.
Apparently the GUI is no longer a priority as third party GUI's are "Good enough".
Someone want to link me to a video of these third party gui's in action. I've never seen one and the one I tried was so buggy I gave up. Albeit that was 6 months ago.
Someone want to link me to a video of these third party gui's in action. I've never seen one and the one I tried was so buggy I gave up. Albeit that was 6 months ago.
I think this is a big misunderstanding. Since it is an official GUI, the devs just don't want to release some half-baked thing with a lot of bugs. On top of that, the official GUI wallet will not be some simplistic thing which can only send and receive, but more like an account that has a wide variety of other options as well.
Nope, It has been lowered in priority, I think it was smooth that said so.
You are 100% correct - after the block 202 612 attack we completely shifted our priorities. It's not good enough for us to "fail fast and fail often" like some hipster startup, because we're playing with other people's money. We have to get the fundamentals incredibly tight first, otherwise we'll end up burning so much effort constantly updating the GUI to work with the underlying moving target.
The third-party GUIs are great, because it means we can make those underlying changes as we need to, and let the third-party GUI developers deal with compatibility. A good starting point to seeing the options for using Monero is on the "Choose a Monero Client" page: https://getmonero.org/getting-started/choose
Would be awesome if devs can install smf on monerotalk.org just like here. I dont like the current backend.
If they are short on time, i offer to do it for them
If they are short on time, i offer to do it for them
Start a marketing conceptual design and discussion thread on https://forum.getmonero.org/ or let David Latapie as core member do it.
And then let's move (conceptual) marketing discussions there.
In general I encourage to start topics & discussions, participate and read more on the official forums. We need to get them really active. This will be a big asset.
At our own forums we can have private discussions, user titles and colors, no moderations restrictions, can ban trolls & co, special user groups, no restrictions on attachements, ...
We later could integrate a XMR tipping plugin in the forum software, have a board shoutbox that integrates with/is an IRC channel, have foreign language sub forums (esp. spanish, german, french, chinese, ...) ...
Once again, we need to get the official forum active. This is important. Help to move discussions & users there.
I register my account there now.
And then let's move (conceptual) marketing discussions there.
In general I encourage to start topics & discussions, participate and read more on the official forums. We need to get them really active. This will be a big asset.
At our own forums we can have private discussions, user titles and colors, no moderations restrictions, can ban trolls & co, special user groups, no restrictions on attachements, ...
We later could integrate a XMR tipping plugin in the forum software, have a board shoutbox that integrates with/is an IRC channel, have foreign language sub forums (esp. spanish, german, french, chinese, ...) ...
Once again, we need to get the official forum active. This is important. Help to move discussions & users there.
I register my account there now.
I think we should do regular irc meetings and make strategies. Anybody interested in a meeting soon?
So we apparently have a bottleneck
Since these are official accounts, it is a bit different from the Monero Digest you are making.
indeed, point taken.
re: facebook
well one idea, which could be viewed as unscrupulous, is free monero for likes! direct people to get mymonero accounts and post the addresses on the page after they "like". Essentially is a form of faucet. Though this would be best if coincided with cryptokingdom - somewhere for peeps to play with their monero.
I like this idea and will certainly discuss it.
PS: We try to get our twitter more active as well and we will try to post articles, mentionings of Monero etc. on a regular pace.
Not for nothing but releasing and marketing something to the general public that is not ready for prime time WILL poison the brand. Even when it gets ready those that tried it and failed with it will never try again. You will sour a huge market if you market to to the uninformed/nontechnical masses.
If on the other hand your just looking for a price surge that will cause a quick selloff then have at it.
I certainly agree with you and forgot to add in my previous comment that we will only start with this (reddit giveaways were already discussed) after the GUI+DB has been released. But discussing about it won't do any harm.
Since these are official accounts, it is a bit different from the Monero Digest you are making.
indeed, point taken.
re: facebook
well one idea, which could be viewed as unscrupulous, is free monero for likes! direct people to get mymonero accounts and post the addresses on the page after they "like". Essentially is a form of faucet. Though this would be best if coincided with cryptokingdom - somewhere for peeps to play with their monero.
I like this idea and will certainly discuss it.
PS: We try to get our twitter more active as well and we will try to post articles, mentionings of Monero etc. on a regular pace.
Not for nothing but releasing and marketing something to the general public that is not ready for prime time WILL poison the brand. Even when it gets ready those that tried it and failed with it will never try again. You will sour a huge market if you market to to the uninformed/nontechnical masses.
If on the other hand your just looking for a price surge that will cause a quick selloff then have at it.
Since these are official accounts, it is a bit different from the Monero Digest you are making.
indeed, point taken.
re: facebook
well one idea, which could be viewed as unscrupulous, is free monero for likes! direct people to get mymonero accounts and post the addresses on the page after they "like". Essentially is a form of faucet. Though this would be best if coincided with cryptokingdom - somewhere for peeps to play with their monero.
I like this idea and will certainly discuss it.
PS: We try to get our twitter more active as well and we will try to post articles, mentionings of Monero etc. on a regular pace.
I think smooth is reasoning in vain with darkfans in other threads. These people are a different breed, described here - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-cancer-of-bitcointalk-darkcoin-fanboys-979562
We should direct our energy on making Monero useful to average people, i cannot stress much. On getting the DB and an official GUI( I know, but it is a weak point for us) out soon. I personally assure, ill make Monero be seen and heard everywhere( Not spam) once we have these out.
Actions speak louder than words. When Monero starts getting noob friendly, Dark will fade out itself
We should direct our energy on making Monero useful to average people, i cannot stress much. On getting the DB and an official GUI( I know, but it is a weak point for us) out soon. I personally assure, ill make Monero be seen and heard everywhere( Not spam) once we have these out.
Actions speak louder than words. When Monero starts getting noob friendly, Dark will fade out itself
Apparently the GUI is no longer a priority as third party GUI's are "Good enough".
Someone want to link me to a video of these third party gui's in action. I've never seen one and the one I tried was so buggy I gave up. Albeit that was 6 months ago.
I think this is a big misunderstanding. Since it is an official GUI, the devs just don't want to release some half-baked thing with a lot of bugs. On top of that, the official GUI wallet will not be some simplistic thing which can only send and receive, but more like an account that has a wide variety of other options as well.
Nope, It has been lowered in priority, I think it was smooth that said so.
I am planning to make presentations on XMR to various alternative investment conferences over the course of the coming months. I have seen quite a few helpful infographics, suitable for expository presentation to such audiences, but they have been scattered re-postings of material sourced elsewhere, for the most part. Has anyone collected media assets for investor education? If you think it is a suitable time for the investor pool to expand, it may behoove you to send me your best stuff.
this is david L's / fluffypony's coinfest estonia presentation.
https://forum.getmonero.org/14/events/188/coinfest-estonia-2015
I am planning to make presentations on XMR to various alternative investment conferences over the course of the coming months. I have seen quite a few helpful infographics, suitable for expository presentation to such audiences, but they have been scattered re-postings of material sourced elsewhere, for the most part. Has anyone collected media assets for investor education? If you think it is a suitable time for the investor pool to expand, it may behoove you to send me your best stuff.
Bytecoin at Facebook: two community pages now
Facebook recently changed their Pages Terms. That is the reason why nowadays there are two different pages about Bytecoin BCN there. But don't worry! New Bytecoin page is supported by BCN community as well as the oldest one. So we would post news, important information and funny pics on both pages.
You are welcomed to join, like and share at Bytecoin Community and Bytecoiner Community pages.
Facebook recently changed their Pages Terms. That is the reason why nowadays there are two different pages about Bytecoin BCN there. But don't worry! New Bytecoin page is supported by BCN community as well as the oldest one. So we would post news, important information and funny pics on both pages.
You are welcomed to join, like and share at Bytecoin Community and Bytecoiner Community pages.
Can't check myself, I don't own an FB account.
Obvious Monero would need and maybe benefit from an (good managed) FB community.
Sorry if Monero already has FB. I can't read and process all altcoin & XMR news and developments anymore. (Working an 10 hours non crypto office job, fuck my life.)
This is the official Monero Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/monerocurrency
It currently isn't actively managed, because Quanttek had not enough much time on his hands to do this. To make sure the FB is actively managed again we (davidlatapie, dnaleor, greekbitcoin, wpalczysnki, quanttek and me) have set up a team and we will make sure there will be regular posts on the page again. Posts will include the missives, digest, old and new articles which spoke nicely about Monero and some bitcointalk posts which we think are very informing.
FagBook is really a waste of time until xmr can just be a retards point and click tool. Actually getting people from there will probably do more harm then good.
Since these are official accounts, it is a bit different from the Monero Digest you are making.
indeed, point taken.
re: facebook
well one idea, which could be viewed as unscrupulous, is free monero for likes! direct people to get mymonero accounts and post the addresses on the page after they "like". Essentially is a form of faucet. Though this would be best if coincided with cryptokingdom - somewhere for peeps to play with their monero.
I think smooth is reasoning in vain with darkfans in other threads. These people are a different breed, described here - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-cancer-of-bitcointalk-darkcoin-fanboys-979562
We should direct our energy on making Monero useful to average people, i cannot stress much. On getting the DB and an official GUI( I know, but it is a weak point for us) out soon. I personally assure, ill make Monero be seen and heard everywhere( Not spam) once we have these out.
Actions speak louder than words. When Monero starts getting noob friendly, Dark will fade out itself
We should direct our energy on making Monero useful to average people, i cannot stress much. On getting the DB and an official GUI( I know, but it is a weak point for us) out soon. I personally assure, ill make Monero be seen and heard everywhere( Not spam) once we have these out.
Actions speak louder than words. When Monero starts getting noob friendly, Dark will fade out itself
Apparently the GUI is no longer a priority as third party GUI's are "Good enough".
Someone want to link me to a video of these third party gui's in action. I've never seen one and the one I tried was so buggy I gave up. Albeit that was 6 months ago.
I think this is a big misunderstanding. Since it is an official GUI, the devs just don't want to release some half-baked thing with a lot of bugs. On top of that, the official GUI wallet will not be some simplistic thing which can only send and receive, but more like an account that has a wide variety of other options as well.
Yeah, dEBRUYNE go. Maybe the project leadership can even name you as FB official or FB project manager, because the other guys you mentioned already have alot of things to do. And so you can could lead & develop this sub fraction of the XMR community.
(Obvious meaning leading in consultation with the core team, the general XMR community and XMRs FB community).
I generally think the core team (or the community as a whole) should name qualified non core team members as "person in charge"/manager/"person responsible" for (important) community related tasks/jobs/projects.
This helps alot in community development. Like sub-section only (non global) moderators, on BCT or other web boards.
Or global communities/organisations naming local contact persons for cities/countries or domestic ambassadors.
Naming offically named responsible people (that are non core members) keeps the community/project development process organised & structured and keeps the influence of core team.
(And avoid self proclaimed "(sub-)leaders", fakes & scammers get ahold in XMRs community.)
It's really a good, cost- & risk-free strategy. If some "official responsible person" - for whatever XMR job/task/subproject he was assigned to - turns out the be incompetent or inactive, he can just be changed/replaced by a better candidate.
(Obvious meaning leading in consultation with the core team, the general XMR community and XMRs FB community).
I generally think the core team (or the community as a whole) should name qualified non core team members as "person in charge"/manager/"person responsible" for (important) community related tasks/jobs/projects.
This helps alot in community development. Like sub-section only (non global) moderators, on BCT or other web boards.
Or global communities/organisations naming local contact persons for cities/countries or domestic ambassadors.
Naming offically named responsible people (that are non core members) keeps the community/project development process organised & structured and keeps the influence of core team.
(And avoid self proclaimed "(sub-)leaders", fakes & scammers get ahold in XMRs community.)
It's really a good, cost- & risk-free strategy. If some "official responsible person" - for whatever XMR job/task/subproject he was assigned to - turns out the be incompetent or inactive, he can just be changed/replaced by a better candidate.
Ehh...... sure, you could go at it this way, but somewhere up in the thread, something else came up and the response from an established Monerian was "just do it". In my opinion, you don't need to wait for "project leadership" approval. This is our coin. Self reliance. Self initiative. I didn't wait for approval to write my first Monero Digest, I just did it, with the stated fact that if the community thought it wasn't good, that I would take it down. And I got feedback (that it wasn't digestable
), and I changed it. This is an open community, and every piece of evidence towards this point, regardless of its potential lack of aesthetic value (orginal monero.cc site, i'm lookin at you), is positive. And I may be feeling manic because I'm drinking coffee, but there are three pillars of Monero. These three pillars are the core. The core can only rise as high as the scaffolding permits. Be the scaffold.
Since these are official accounts, it is a bit different from the Monero Digest you are making.
@dewdeded, we already had some deliberation and the core team was fine with Quanttek passing it over to the new team and us handling it. I personally don't have to be officialy named, but I like your arguments in favour of it. So I will discuss this and see what fits best.
I think smooth is reasoning in vain with darkfans in other threads. These people are a different breed, described here - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-cancer-of-bitcointalk-darkcoin-fanboys-979562
We should direct our energy on making Monero useful to average people, i cannot stress much. On getting the DB and an official GUI( I know, but it is a weak point for us) out soon. I personally assure, ill make Monero be seen and heard everywhere( Not spam) once we have these out.
Actions speak louder than words. When Monero starts getting noob friendly, Dark will fade out itself
We should direct our energy on making Monero useful to average people, i cannot stress much. On getting the DB and an official GUI( I know, but it is a weak point for us) out soon. I personally assure, ill make Monero be seen and heard everywhere( Not spam) once we have these out.
Actions speak louder than words. When Monero starts getting noob friendly, Dark will fade out itself
Apparently the GUI is no longer a priority as third party GUI's are "Good enough".
Someone want to link me to a video of these third party gui's in action. I've never seen one and the one I tried was so buggy I gave up. Albeit that was 6 months ago.
Bytecoin at Facebook: two community pages now
Facebook recently changed their Pages Terms. That is the reason why nowadays there are two different pages about Bytecoin BCN there. But don't worry! New Bytecoin page is supported by BCN community as well as the oldest one. So we would post news, important information and funny pics on both pages.
You are welcomed to join, like and share at Bytecoin Community and Bytecoiner Community pages.
Facebook recently changed their Pages Terms. That is the reason why nowadays there are two different pages about Bytecoin BCN there. But don't worry! New Bytecoin page is supported by BCN community as well as the oldest one. So we would post news, important information and funny pics on both pages.
You are welcomed to join, like and share at Bytecoin Community and Bytecoiner Community pages.
Can't check myself, I don't own an FB account.
Obvious Monero would need and maybe benefit from an (good managed) FB community.
Sorry if Monero already has FB. I can't read and process all altcoin & XMR news and developments anymore. (Working an 10 hours non crypto office job, fuck my life.)
This is the official Monero Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/monerocurrency
It currently isn't actively managed, because Quanttek had not enough much time on his hands to do this. To make sure the FB is actively managed again we (davidlatapie, dnaleor, greekbitcoin, wpalczysnki, quanttek and me) have set up a team and we will make sure there will be regular posts on the page again. Posts will include the missives, digest, old and new articles which spoke nicely about Monero and some bitcointalk posts which we think are very informing.
Fantastic work guys. Looking forward to the updates and hopefully more activity. Have you considered ideas how to encourage people to like the pages? That is one of the things that gets tracked by say coingecko.
We haven't put much thought in this yet, but will certainly put this up for discussion in the next couple of days. If other community members have some good ideas about how to do this, please post them here and we will discuss them.
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