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Quote from: surfer43 on April 25, 2014, 03:27:45 PM

Quote from: btc-mike on April 25, 2014, 03:24:56 PM

I updated the info on The CPU Coin List to show the new name.

Why was Monero chosen as the new name?

It is "coin" in Esperanto.

This, plus people did not like bitmonero. And finally, this would be 4-syllables words, to cumbersome (ideal is 2-3 syllables). Oh! And it was not chosen, it was voted (well, that's a sort of choice, but I want to emphasize that it was democratic, although there was not a lot of person on IRC).

Quote from: smooth on April 25, 2014, 04:13:23 PM

Also it is said to be close to the word for money/coin/currency in many other languages.

Many other latin languages. Esperanto has a tendancy to confuse "universal" and "latin-based".

That being said, I confirm it:
French: monnaie
Spanish: dinero

Quote from: Spekulatius on April 25, 2014, 04:32:02 PM

and 4 more threads to follow, so I got a bit upset of the mess I found.

This also show how young and dynamic this it. Consider any scrypt/shacoins out there. In a way, this is very mature/boring/ordinated: everything in one single thread.

So, although I can understand how it can be confusing, I see there an energy I don't see in other bitcoin-based coins (although some are very dynamic but more money-oriented than discovery-oriented).

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Quote from: smooth on April 25, 2014, 05:10:39 PM

Quote from: tacotime on April 25, 2014, 05:02:59 PM

Quote from: Spekulatius on April 25, 2014, 04:37:50 PM

Im actually for prolonging the emission period to as long and fair as possible. If this coin is in fact intended to become a viable option with mass adoption in mind, 4 years is just not long enough. I have been mining (Bit)monero from day 2 and wouldnt mind if my stash gets halved (although I wouldnt mind if it just getting halved from here on 10000 blocks in the future either Wink

). Any way, we should discuss first and have a vote for it and we should have it soon because the earlier the easier, the better.

As smooth stated, this is a hard fork change and will be difficult to implement and get consensus on. But it can still be discussed.

Any change to the emissions schedule is a hard fork, but some are much easier sells than others. While I don't agree that the reverse stock split is "taking coins away" I definitely understand that people will see it that way and it will be hard to accomplish realistically, so we should do something else.

Why dont we cut the reward in half 10k blocks from now so everybody keeps their booty and coins will be distributed more fairly after that? Only 0.1% of all Moneros are in existence at this point anyway, I read. So its hard to call this insta mine by any standards imo.

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Quote from: tacotime on April 25, 2014, 05:56:24 PM

Quote from: liteuser on April 25, 2014, 05:25:53 PM

I'm unable to start_mining.

I synchronize the blockchain with bitmonerod, and then I use simplewallet to start_mining, but I get:

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2014-Apr-25 22:34:26.724501 Read command: start_mining 8
2014-Apr-25 22:34:31.724750 Failed to invoke http request to http://localhost:18081/start_mining
2014-Apr-25 22:34:31.724776 Error: mining has NOT been started: possible lost connection to daemon

In the bitmonerod terminal:

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2014-Apr-25 22:40:16.245240 [RPC1][sock 28] Some problems at write: Broken pipe:32
2014-Apr-25 22:40:54.008484 [RPC1]Mining has started with 8 threads, good luck!
2014-Apr-25 22:40:54.008539 [miner 1]Miner thread was started [5]
2014-Apr-25 22:40:54.008530 [miner 0]Miner thread was started [4]
...

I'm using Ubuntu 13.10, and I've followed the instructions in the OP. The cpu is an old 8 core intel i7 860

Any idea of what I'm doing wrong?

Not sure what the issue is; if you can generate a wallet and sync the chain though, you can start mining in the daemon to your address directly though with the following command:
start_mining

Btw i have to add that i am mining this way for a day now and it works just fine. So i dont have to check all my computers every day. Only thing i would like to ask is what happens in a 51% attack if you mine this way? Isnt it like sending coins to the address so epsecially now that the coin is new the attack can be used to double spend or something when mining this way?

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Quote from: liteuser on April 25, 2014, 05:25:53 PM

I'm unable to start_mining.

I synchronize the blockchain with bitmonerod, and then I use simplewallet to start_mining, but I get:

Quote

2014-Apr-25 22:34:26.724501 Read command: start_mining 8
2014-Apr-25 22:34:31.724750 Failed to invoke http request to http://localhost:18081/start_mining
2014-Apr-25 22:34:31.724776 Error: mining has NOT been started: possible lost connection to daemon

In the bitmonerod terminal:

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2014-Apr-25 22:40:16.245240 [RPC1][sock 28] Some problems at write: Broken pipe:32
2014-Apr-25 22:40:54.008484 [RPC1]Mining has started with 8 threads, good luck!
2014-Apr-25 22:40:54.008539 [miner 1]Miner thread was started [5]
2014-Apr-25 22:40:54.008530 [miner 0]Miner thread was started [4]
...

I'm using Ubuntu 13.10, and I've followed the instructions in the OP. The cpu is an old 8 core intel i7 860

Any idea of what I'm doing wrong?

Not sure what the issue is; if you can generate a wallet and sync the chain though, you can start mining in the daemon to your address directly though with the following command:
start_mining

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I'm unable to start_mining.

I synchronize the blockchain with bitmonerod, and then I use simplewallet to start_mining, but I get:

Quote

2014-Apr-25 22:34:26.724501 Read command: start_mining 8
2014-Apr-25 22:34:31.724750 Failed to invoke http request to http://localhost:18081/start_mining
2014-Apr-25 22:34:31.724776 Error: mining has NOT been started: possible lost connection to daemon

In the bitmonerod terminal:

Quote

2014-Apr-25 22:40:16.245240 [RPC1][sock 28] Some problems at write: Broken pipe:32
2014-Apr-25 22:40:54.008484 [RPC1]Mining has started with 8 threads, good luck!
2014-Apr-25 22:40:54.008539 [miner 1]Miner thread was started [5]
2014-Apr-25 22:40:54.008530 [miner 0]Miner thread was started [4]
...

I'm using Ubuntu 13.10, and I've followed the instructions in the OP. The cpu is an old 8 core intel i7 860

Any idea of what I'm doing wrong?

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Quote from: tacotime on April 25, 2014, 05:02:59 PM

Quote from: Spekulatius on April 25, 2014, 04:37:50 PM

Im actually for prolonging the emission period to as long and fair as possible. If this coin is in fact intended to become a viable option with mass adoption in mind, 4 years is just not long enough. I have been mining (Bit)monero from day 2 and wouldnt mind if my stash gets halved (although I wouldnt mind if it just getting halved from here on 10000 blocks in the future either Wink

). Any way, we should discuss first and have a vote for it and we should have it soon because the earlier the easier, the better.

As smooth stated, this is a hard fork change and will be difficult to implement and get consensus on. But it can still be discussed.

Any change to the emissions schedule is a hard fork, but some are much easier sells than others. While I don't agree that the reverse stock split is "taking coins away" I definitely understand that people will see it that way and it will be hard to accomplish realistically, so we should do something else.

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Quote from: Spekulatius on April 25, 2014, 04:37:50 PM

Im actually for prolonging the emission period to as long and fair as possible. If this coin is in fact intended to become a viable option with mass adoption in mind, 4 years is just not long enough. I have been mining (Bit)monero from day 2 and wouldnt mind if my stash gets halved (although I wouldnt mind if it just getting halved from here on 10000 blocks in the future either Wink

). Any way, we should discuss first and have a vote for it and we should have it soon because the earlier the easier, the better.

As smooth stated, this is a hard fork change and will be difficult to implement and get consensus on. But it can still be discussed.

smooth

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Quote from: Spekulatius on April 25, 2014, 04:37:50 PM

Im actually for prolonging the emission period to as long and fair as possible. If this coin is in fact intended to become a viable option with mass adoption in mind, 4 years is just not long enough. I have been mining (Bit)monero from day 2 and wouldnt mind if my stash gets halved (although I wouldnt mind if it just getting halved from here on 10000 blocks in the future either Wink

). Any way, we should discuss first and have a vote for it and we should have it soon because the earlier the easier, the better.

Realistically it seems like it is going to be hard to ever get ageement on the reverse stock split idea, so we'll likely have to do something else, or nothing. My favored plan is to move the reward curve out and then temporarily reduce the current rewards until the total drops to match the new curve, but there are other ideas being thrown around.

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Quote from: Spekulatius on April 25, 2014, 04:41:17 PM

Why did Bitmonero change the block penalty free size from 10 kb to 20 kb? Doesnt that bloat the block chain by a factor of 2? Are there any merits in it? Can the limit change on its own, say miners in general decide to make larger blocks, thus raising the limit over time?

This was never explained. TFT thought it was a good idea, so he did it. No discussion or technical justification was given.

According to the white paper the penalty-free block size is supposed to grow with 110% of the median block size. I haven't checked in the code to see if that is implemented correctly.

I did notice that the code for selecting transactions to include a block isn't very intelligent and can be improved. I guess that won't matter much until there are more transactions, and at that point it should be an easy fix.

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Why did Bitmonero change the block penalty free size from 10 kb to 20 kb? Doesnt that bloat the block chain by a factor of 2? Are there any merits in it? Can the limit change on its own, say miners in general decide to make larger blocks, thus raising the limit over time?

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Im actually for prolonging the emission period to as long and fair as possible. If this coin is in fact intended to become a viable option with mass adoption in mind, 4 years is just not long enough. I have been mining (Bit)monero from day 2 and wouldnt mind if my stash gets halved (although I wouldnt mind if it just getting halved from here on 10000 blocks in the future either Wink

). Any way, we should discuss first and have a vote for it and we should have it soon because the earlier the easier, the better.

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Quote from: smooth on April 25, 2014, 04:15:56 PM

tacotime already answered most of this but I'd add:

Quote from: Spekulatius on April 25, 2014, 11:23:09 AM

- With every renaming people get confused (BCN, BMR, MRO..?) you get my point.

Important point. This is not a rename of BCN. BCN was made public with 80% already mined. This coin was made as a fork of BCN to have a clean launch with no premine, no IPO, no block fee, etc.

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- Pls create a new thread for technical help and one for discussion to keep some visibility.

Fantastic suggestion. New users shouldn't have to wade through all the discussion just get help, especially given the rough state of the software.

Ok, thx guys to take the time to address my points. I stopped following the 3-4 threads of Bytecoin/Bitmonero just 2 days ago and came back today, finding yet another renaming attempt (Monero is the best choice yet imho btw) and 4 more threads to follow, so I got a bit upset of the mess I found.
Im happy that apparently the interest in these coins picks up and we see more discussion going and more people joining but to avoid further confusion we should organise our infrastructure and resources.

Especially for new entrants to the threads, we should help them by keeping threads strictly dedicated to either technical help, development and general chatter. The IRC channel is a good place for technical discussion for well educated computer people but its less accessible and information gets lost after a short time. Therefore this forum is most approchable for the general audience and should serve as our prime medium for the moment imho.
With a website coming we could migrate to a dedicated forum once discussions branch out. But lets take over the Altchain forum first

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tacotime already answered most of this but I'd add:

Quote from: Spekulatius on April 25, 2014, 11:23:09 AM

- With every renaming people get confused (BCN, BMR, MRO..?) you get my point.

Important point. This is not a rename of BCN. BCN was made public with 80% already mined. This coin was made as a fork of BCN to have a clean launch with no premine, no IPO, no block fee, etc.

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- Pls create a new thread for technical help and one for discussion to keep some visibility.

Fantastic suggestion. New users shouldn't have to wade through all the discussion just get help, especially given the rough state of the software.

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Quote from: surfer43 on April 25, 2014, 03:27:45 PM

Quote from: btc-mike on April 25, 2014, 03:24:56 PM

I updated the info on The CPU Coin List to show the new name.

Why was Monero chosen as the new name?

It is "coin" in Esperanto.

Also it is said to be close to the word for money/coin/currency in many other languages.

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Quote from: btc-mike on April 25, 2014, 03:24:56 PM

I updated the info on The CPU Coin List to show the new name.

Why was Monero chosen as the new name?

It is "coin" in Esperanto.

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I updated the info on The CPU Coin List to show the new name.

Why was Monero chosen as the new name?

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Looks like you are synced or nearly synced, try restarting the daemon ("save" then "exit")

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Quote from: cryptowho on April 25, 2014, 02:02:15 PM

Quote from: tacotime on April 25, 2014, 01:54:41 PM

Quote from: cryptowho on April 25, 2014, 01:43:05 PM

one CPU been getting 4/30 synch ok

and the rest
2014-Apr-25 14:20:24.340452 [P2P1]Connecting to IP:18080(white=0, last_seen: d0.h0.m1.s25)...
2014-Apr-25 14:20:26.962602 [P2P9][IP:18080 OUT] COMMAND_HANDSHAKE INVOKED OK

is there something wrong?

No blocks are coming in with "set_log 1" entered in daemon?

2014-Apr-25 14:55:06.578549 [P2P3]----- BLOCK ADDED AS ALTERNATIVE ON HEIGHT 11087
id:   <265bf484821.........................c9fd>
PoW:
difficulty:   297813
2014-Apr-25 14:56:16.650557 [P2P8][176.9.234.166:18080 OUT] SYNCHRONIZED OK

the next two messages before i typed set_log 1
edit: set_log 1
next few msges
HEIGHT 11095, difficulty:   295166
block reward: 17.407407651714(17.407407651714 + 0.000000000000), coinbase_blob_size: 310, cumulative size: 310, 1170(0/1170)ms
2014-Apr-25 15:02:20.374361 [P2P8][31.53.131.99:50069 INC]COMMAND_HANDSHAKE
2014-Apr-25 15:02:51.298130 [P2P5][24.141.81.36:39957 INC]COMMAND_HANDSHAKE
2014-Apr-25 15:02:57.401479 [P2P5][92.100.15.132:43175 INC]COMMAND_HANDSHAKE

2014-Apr-25 15:03:47.676354 [P2P5]Failed to invoke command 1002 return code -3
2014-Apr-25 15:03:47.681355 [P2P5][203.51.238.74:61571 INC]COMMAND_TIMED_SYNC invoke failed. (-3, LEVIN_ERROR_CONNECTION_DESTROYED)
2014-Apr-25 15:04:02.637210 [P2P6][24.141.81.36:39974 INC]COMMAND_HANDSHAKE
2014-Apr-25 15:04:25.168499 [P2P9]+++++ BLOCK SUCCESSFULLY ADDED
id:
PoW:   <18294a2d4c0e6d0658b7c9ba97d9db26a247cbc0570a1c79b072c6fad62e0000>
HEIGHT 11096, difficulty:   294903
block reward: 17.407391050716(17.407391050716 + 0.000000000000), coinbase_blob_size: 346, cumulative size: 346, 1170(0/1170)ms
2014-Apr-25 15:04:41.109410 [P2P1]Failed to invoke command 1002 return code -3
2014-Apr-25 15:04:41.112411 [P2P1][31.53.131.99:50069 INC]COMMAND_TIMED_SYNC invoke failed. (-3, LEVIN_ERROR_CONNECTION_DESTROYED)
2014-Apr-25 15:04:41.120411 [P2P1]Failed to invoke command 1002 return code -3
2014-Apr-25 15:04:41.124411 [P2P1][31.53.131.99:50069 INC]COMMAND_TIMED_SYNC invoke failed. (-3, LEVIN_ERROR_CONNECTION_DESTROYED)
2014-Apr-25 15:05:12.143185 [P2P2][24.141.81.36:39987 INC]COMMAND_HANDSHAKE
2014-Apr-25 15:05:29.055153 [P2P7]+++++ BLOCK SUCCESSFULLY ADDED
id:   <18fed0c529f4d9256ca1aa16901e13a1f6237557f544e7e8397c7adc7dd2516c>
PoW:
HEIGHT 11097, difficulty:   295114
block reward: 17.407374449735(17.407374449735 + 0.000000000000), coinbase_blob_size: 347, cumulative size: 347, 1155(0/1155)ms
2014-Apr-25 15:05:55.643674 [P2P5]+++++ BLOCK SUCCESSFULLY ADDED
id:
PoW:   <359014a9487f767bca7152ee9a9db15aed46fec4f1815e2addd94f2bab1f0000>
HEIGHT 11098, difficulty:   294718
block reward: 17.407357848769(17.407357848769 + 0.000000000000), coinbase_blob_size: 347, cumulative size: 347, 1139(0/1139)ms
2014-Apr-25 15:05:58.134816 [P2P7]+++++ BLOCK SUCCESSFULLY ADDED
id:   <699d1bbd4bcb311d67a9d65f0233202d56384fdc4ae0c2d68537371d1a025222>
PoW:   <82f30ed660946a7e30eef57fe141434828bc654fd97912289940f05c4f100000>
HEIGHT 11099, difficulty:   294563
block reward: 17.407341247819(17.407341247819 + 0.000000000000), coinbase_blob_size: 346, cumulative size: 346, 1185(0/1185)ms

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Quote from: tacotime on April 25, 2014, 01:54:41 PM

Quote from: cryptowho on April 25, 2014, 01:43:05 PM

one CPU been getting 4/30 synch ok

and the rest
2014-Apr-25 14:20:24.340452 [P2P1]Connecting to IP:18080(white=0, last_seen: d0.h0.m1.s25)...
2014-Apr-25 14:20:26.962602 [P2P9][IP:18080 OUT] COMMAND_HANDSHAKE INVOKED OK

is there something wrong?

No blocks are coming in with "set_log 1" entered in daemon?

2014-Apr-25 14:55:06.578549 [P2P3]----- BLOCK ADDED AS ALTERNATIVE ON HEIGHT 11087
id:   <265bf484821.........................c9fd>
PoW:
difficulty:   297813
2014-Apr-25 14:56:16.650557 [P2P8][176.9.234.166:18080 OUT] SYNCHRONIZED OK

the next two messages before i typed set_log 1
edit: set_log 1
next few msges
HEIGHT 11095, difficulty:   295166
block reward: 17.407407651714(17.407407651714 + 0.000000000000), coinbase_blob_size: 310, cumulative size: 310, 1170(0/1170)ms
2014-Apr-25 15:02:20.374361 [P2P8][31.53.131.99:50069 INC]COMMAND_HANDSHAKE
2014-Apr-25 15:02:51.298130 [P2P5][24.141.81.36:39957 INC]COMMAND_HANDSHAKE
2014-Apr-25 15:02:57.401479 [P2P5][92.100.15.132:43175 INC]COMMAND_HANDSHAKE

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Quote from: cryptowho on April 25, 2014, 01:43:05 PM

one CPU been getting 4/30 synch ok

and the rest
2014-Apr-25 14:20:24.340452 [P2P1]Connecting to IP:18080(white=0, last_seen: d0.h0.m1.s25)...
2014-Apr-25 14:20:26.962602 [P2P9][IP:18080 OUT] COMMAND_HANDSHAKE INVOKED OK

is there something wrong?

No blocks are coming in with "set_log 1" entered in daemon?

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