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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1168. (Read 3314330 times)

legendary
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August 28, 2016, 01:59:09 AM
During these episodes of manic euphoria I distrust my own judgement.  My gut instincts fail, and I have to rely on system 2.

What is the upside limit?  The available btc seems to constitute a limit.  How can we estimate the proportion of the btc which might flow into XMR?  Consider that maybe 10% of bitcoin core own some XMR.  Maybe twice that number of btc holders want XMR, and maybe they will risk 20% of their btc...  By slight of hand I conclude that XMR might be able to command 4% of btc market cap in the long run, just on the basis of current bitcoin holders, without a huge change of circumstances, given the right amount of time.

Suppose non-bitcoin holders want XMR.  Unless they are in the u.k. almost surely they will sign up for some btc/fiat exchange, take days or weeks to verify, buy some btc, fumble around, and eventually get on poloniex.  (Watch poloniex wallet addresses!). I expect a lot of lightly crypto-exposed people who sat out btc to buy in over the next few weeks.  But btc has had years of recruitment, and the absolute numbers are small, relative to the current holders.  Probably new crypto users are less significant to reserve use, and more significant to DNM traffic stats, and will make themselves felt on the traffic and speculation driven by that traffic, rather than on the volume of btc they spend on XMR.

Overall these vague and fuzzy reasonings are consistent with other vague and fuzzy reasonings which I expressed elsewhere, that I expect XMR to trend around $25 in 2017...in that case conditionalized on 10% of DNM traffic being denominated in XMR.

Usually when SWAGs derived by different methods coincide, I give their common estimate a lot more weight.  Not twice as much...more like the second power on some unbounded likelihood scale.  Funny, I haven't thought about the probabilistic logic of that before.   I should do.





That's short term thinking in my opinion.
You do not need bitcoiners to adapt Monero to reach parity with bitcoin. All you need is stingy Monero sellers and greedy junkies.
full member
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August 28, 2016, 01:57:47 AM
what you think guys, atm +60% on polo! pump before fall? it will rise more or fall? i think now its a bad time to buy
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
August 28, 2016, 01:56:06 AM
This analysis may be missing the fact that price is set on the margin. No where near 4% of the bitcoin needs to chase monero in-order to increase monero's market cap to 4% of bitcoin's market cap.

Yes.  I have seen reports (not really analyses) to the effect that as much as 1:10 flow:delta was seen in btc during the Willy events of 2013/2014.

I guess that price leverage ratio is a monotonic function of ...what... momentum?
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E᙭OTIᑕ ♥ ᑕOIᑎS
August 28, 2016, 01:53:49 AM
Wow, seeing Monero high makes me high lol. At other coins, it is the time when I sell my coins and invest into another, but this case is different because I knew that Monero had this potential and even more from the documentation ( so I don't think that it's a pump ) so I'm not sure if I should sell now or keep my funds in Monero.
legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 1748
August 28, 2016, 01:52:50 AM
Last week went from .004 to .008 pretty sharpish....wondering if this week we just plough through from .01 to .02

Aminorex was spot of about this weekend 'coin of the hour'.   I guess it will settle at some point - maybe the end of the weekend will cool it off?

OTOH a lot of serious money will only see this on Monday....  The market cap pushing towards the 100 million level is huge news.

Everything just changed - and I haven't had this much fun in crypto since 2103

Me neither --- just hope there isn't the equivalent of 2014 round the corner

Agreed - but we're a little wiser now.  And Polo isn't (touch wood) Gox.

More exchanges will list XMR now - they will not like Polo taking all the action on this kind of volume.  They are losing out if they don't.

Yes, I can't imagine the profits being made at polo right now.  And of course, adoption by a new exchange usually sees a coin increase in value even further.  Seems we are on a virtuous circle now.

The problem is more that I can't name a 'good' exchange that might step in -  Stamp has no interest in alts, BTCe perhaps, Finex not after the exploits of late, which leaves the Chinese exchanges.... Undecided Undecided

I requested some help with a p2p exchange earlier (thanks for all the replies guys!!)....anyway, realised it was bitsquare.  I'd like to see them open up a direct XMR <>USD/GBP/EUR facility.

Of course you're right about a lack of good exchanges.  But I would settle for Kraken right now - just to add fuel.  What you said makes me realise how crucial Polo is, not just to XMR - but the whole Alt ecosystem.
legendary
Activity: 2016
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August 28, 2016, 01:51:09 AM
Is this an Exit pump before the release of ZCASH

Looks so

Wow, good eye!  Get out while you can!
legendary
Activity: 2016
Merit: 1259
August 28, 2016, 01:49:59 AM
Last week went from .004 to .008 pretty sharpish....wondering if this week we just plough through from .01 to .02

Aminorex was spot of about this weekend 'coin of the hour'.   I guess it will settle at some point - maybe the end of the weekend will cool it off?

OTOH a lot of serious money will only see this on Monday....  The market cap pushing towards the 100 million level is huge news.

Everything just changed - and I haven't had this much fun in crypto since 2103

Me neither --- just hope there isn't the equivalent of 2014 round the corner

Agreed - but we're a little wiser now.  And Polo isn't (touch wood) Gox.

More exchanges will list XMR now - they will not like Polo taking all the action on this kind of volume.  They are losing out if they don't.

Yes, I can't imagine the profits being made at polo right now.  And of course, adoption by a new exchange usually sees a coin increase in value even further.  Seems we are on a virtuous circle now.

The problem is more that I can't name a 'good' exchange that might step in -  Stamp has no interest in alts, BTCe perhaps, Finex not after the exploits of late, which leaves the Chinese exchanges.... Undecided Undecided

I requested some help with a p2p exchange earlier (thanks for all the replies guys!!)....anyway, realised it was bitsquare.  I'd like to see them open up a direct XMR <>USD/GBP/EUR facility.

Kraken remains
legendary
Activity: 1722
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August 28, 2016, 01:48:54 AM
During these episodes of manic euphoria I distrust my own judgement.  My gut instincts fail, and I have to rely on system 2.

What is the upside limit?  The available btc seems to constitute a limit.  How can we estimate the proportion of the btc which might flow into XMR?  Consider that maybe 10% of bitcoin core own some XMR.  Maybe twice that number of btc holders want XMR, and maybe they will risk 20% of their btc...  By slight of hand I conclude that XMR might be able to command 4% of btc market cap in the long run, just on the basis of current bitcoin holders, without a huge change of circumstances, given the right amount of time.

Suppose non-bitcoin holders want XMR.  Unless they are in the u.k. almost surely they will sign up for some btc/fiat exchange, take days or weeks to verify, buy some btc, fumble around, and eventually get on poloniex.  (Watch poloniex wallet addresses!). I expect a lot of lightly crypto-exposed people who sat out btc to buy in over the next few weeks.  But btc has had years of recruitment, and the absolute numbers are small, relative to the current holders.  Probably new crypto users are less significant to reserve use, and more significant to DNM traffic stats, and will make themselves felt on the traffic and speculation driven by that traffic, rather than on the volume of btc they spend on XMR.

Overall these vague and fuzzy reasonings are consistent with other vague and fuzzy reasonings which I expressed elsewhere, that I expect XMR to trend around $25 in 2017...in that case conditionalities on 10% of DNM traffic being denominated in XMR.

Usually when SWAGs derived by different methods coincide, I give their common estimate a lot more weight.  Not twice as much...more like the second power on some unbounded likelihood scale.  Funny, I haven't thought about the probabilistic logic of that before.   I should do.




This analysis may be missing the fact that price is set on the margin. No where near 4% of the bitcoin needs to chase monero in-order to increase monero's market cap to 4% of bitcoin's market cap.
hero member
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August 28, 2016, 01:47:15 AM
Is this an Exit pump before the release of ZCASH

Looks so
legendary
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Merit: 1000
Dumb broad
August 28, 2016, 01:46:11 AM
Last week went from .004 to .008 pretty sharpish....wondering if this week we just plough through from .01 to .02

Aminorex was spot of about this weekend 'coin of the hour'.   I guess it will settle at some point - maybe the end of the weekend will cool it off?

OTOH a lot of serious money will only see this on Monday....  The market cap pushing towards the 100 million level is huge news.

Everything just changed - and I haven't had this much fun in crypto since 2103

Me neither --- just hope there isn't the equivalent of 2014 round the corner

Agreed - but we're a little wiser now.  And Polo isn't (touch wood) Gox.

More exchanges will list XMR now - they will not like Polo taking all the action on this kind of volume.  They are losing out if they don't.

Yes, I can't imagine the profits being made at polo right now.  And of course, adoption by a new exchange usually sees a coin increase in value even further.  Seems we are on a virtuous circle now.

The problem is more that I can't name a 'good' exchange that might step in -  Stamp has no interest in alts, BTCe perhaps, Finex not after the exploits of late, which leaves the Chinese exchanges.... Undecided Undecided

I requested some help with a p2p exchange earlier (thanks for all the replies guys!!)....anyway, realised it was bitsquare.  I'd like to see them open up a direct XMR <>USD/GBP/EUR facility.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
August 28, 2016, 01:45:46 AM
During these episodes of manic euphoria I distrust my own judgement.  My gut instincts fail, and I have to rely on system 2.

What is the upside limit?  The available btc seems to constitute a limit.  How can we estimate the proportion of the btc which might flow into XMR?  Consider that maybe 10% of bitcoin core own some XMR.  Maybe twice that number of btc holders want XMR, and maybe they will risk 20% of their btc...  By slight of hand I conclude that XMR might be able to command 4% of btc market cap in the long run, just on the basis of current bitcoin holders, without a huge change of circumstances, given the right amount of time.

Suppose non-bitcoin holders want XMR.  Unless they are in the u.k. almost surely they will sign up for some btc/fiat exchange, take days or weeks to verify, buy some btc, fumble around, and eventually get on poloniex.  (Watch poloniex wallet addresses!). I expect a lot of lightly crypto-exposed people who sat out btc to buy in over the next few weeks.  But btc has had years of recruitment, and the absolute numbers are small, relative to the current holders.  Probably new crypto users are less significant to reserve use, and more significant to DNM traffic stats, and will make themselves felt on the traffic and speculation driven by that traffic, rather than on the volume of btc they spend on XMR.

Overall these vague and fuzzy reasonings are consistent with other vague and fuzzy reasonings which I expressed elsewhere, that I expect XMR to trend around $25 in 2017...in that case conditionalized on 10% of DNM traffic being denominated in XMR.

Usually when SWAGs derived by different methods coincide, I give their common estimate a lot more weight.  Not twice as much...more like the second power on some unbounded likelihood scale.  Funny, I haven't thought about the probabilistic logic of that before.   I should do.


legendary
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August 28, 2016, 01:40:59 AM
I just woke up (I slept late). What happened?  Shocked
So we are going now towards parity with btc and beyond?  Shocked

Aside with Etherium, Monero has joined in the club of good and valuable coins by breaking the initial ATH price from the times of early days.

I watched this all happen in real time so I didn't get to experience this. Please indulge me. What did it feel like to wake up and see that?

Almost a heart attack.
I was thinking it probably goes down a little bit so that I can nibble a few more coins but it went to ATH.

I hope the 2014 ATH will form so strong that it is unreachable.
legendary
Activity: 2016
Merit: 1259
August 28, 2016, 01:40:49 AM
I was just looking at the weekly chart with a volume in XMR of over 16.1 million  XMR during this week, vs a total supply of approximately 12.8 million XMR. There most be a very significant amount of short margin been used to meet demand here.  

Doesn't look to be a tremendous amount of shorts.  I've been watching lending closely all week, and available coins are at their highest level, asking moderate prices. Come on down  Grin
legendary
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August 28, 2016, 01:39:32 AM
Gratz on passing DASH market cap!

It was bound to happen, easiest money i ever made... should have bet the entire house on it

Me too, now I do not know if I should sell and take profits or sit on them and watch XMR making another 10x in the next years. Sad
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I am not the right person to give advice but I am not personally selling any coins.
I just was thinking if there is a way to donate a portion to the charity I am doing without tax consequences whenever that is current...
legendary
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August 28, 2016, 01:38:34 AM
I just woke up (I slept late). What happened?  Shocked
So we are going now towards parity with btc and beyond?  Shocked

Aside with Etherium, Monero has joined in the club of good and valuable coins by breaking the initial ATH price from the times of early days.

I watched this all happen in real time so I didn't get to experience this. Please indulge me. What did it feel like to wake up and see that?
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
August 28, 2016, 01:37:20 AM
Gratz on passing DASH market cap!

It was bound to happen, easiest money i ever made... should have bet the entire house on it

Me too, now I do not know if I should sell and take profits or sit on them and watch XMR making another 10x in the next years. Sad

Who can know. I just try not to be too smart for my own good. I know what I know. I know how to read a white paper. I know how to be patient. So I do those two things. I do not try to call the top or sell the highs and buy the dips to increase my holdings. I just know that's the sort of thing that will get me in trouble. Well that's my philosophy anyway.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
August 28, 2016, 01:35:40 AM
I just woke up (I slept late). What happened?  Shocked
So we are going now towards parity with btc and beyond?  Shocked

Aside with Etherium, Monero has joined in the club of good and valuable coins by breaking the initial ATH price from the times of early days.
legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 1748
August 28, 2016, 01:33:14 AM
Last week went from .004 to .008 pretty sharpish....wondering if this week we just plough through from .01 to .02

Aminorex was spot of about this weekend 'coin of the hour'.   I guess it will settle at some point - maybe the end of the weekend will cool it off?

OTOH a lot of serious money will only see this on Monday....  The market cap pushing towards the 100 million level is huge news.

Everything just changed - and I haven't had this much fun in crypto since 2103

Me neither --- just hope there isn't the equivalent of 2014 round the corner

Agreed - but we're a little wiser now.  And Polo isn't (touch wood) Gox.

More exchanges will list XMR now - they will not like Polo taking all the action on this kind of volume.  They are losing out if they don't.
legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1000
Dumb broad
August 28, 2016, 01:20:35 AM
Last week went from .004 to .008 pretty sharpish....wondering if this week we just plough through from .01 to .02

Aminorex was spot of about this weekend 'coin of the hour'.   I guess it will settle at some point - maybe the end of the weekend will cool it off?

OTOH a lot of serious money will only see this on Monday....  The market cap pushing towards the 100 million level is huge news.

Everything just changed - and I haven't had this much fun in crypto since 2103

Me neither --- just hope there isn't the equivalent of 2014 round the corner
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1001
August 28, 2016, 01:20:34 AM
Gratz on passing DASH market cap!

It was bound to happen, easiest money i ever made... should have bet the entire house on it

Me too, now I do not know if I should sell and take profits or sit on them and watch XMR making another 10x in the next years. Sad
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