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legendary
Activity: 1105
Merit: 1000
August 24, 2016, 11:37:16 AM
So, this artificial pump is over in a few days and XMR will have time to consolidate until December back to 0.0018 - 0.0024
I hope you guys are selling your coins and getting them back in December, because this was a Marketmakerpump starting with somewhat 1000BTC and now ending slowly  Grin Wink

How is it artificial?

Care to provide proof of your claims?

Well it sure looked special, turning half of the existing XMR in 24 hours. Reminds me of the Mintpal pump.

That said, I believe much good was achieved regardless of anything. It is possible that this was the first real upleg. Or even if we fall back, I believe 420k will now be a strong support. Even going to 180-240k, nothing new there. Not many thought it possible to revisit 100k, yet even that happened!


The game is about how many you own and can keep in your possession. If you own 1000 BTC, you are well positioned, but it is expensive to gain that position if you start now. If you owned 1000 BTC five years ago, it is equally good as 1000 BTC now, only if you have managed to keep it from theft, hack, taxman, your own mistakes in storage, and most importantly from your urge to sell.

Many reading this have 1000 XMR, or even much more. In five years, or less, it might have equal value as 1000 BTC now. Statistically, an extremely small fraction of people manage to do it, though.

I believe it's prudent to budget in advance that half of the remaining coins are lost, every time the price rises x10. So the ones who wish to have the coveted 1000 XMR when the price hits $5k, should buy 10k now.

Hmm... it seems that XMR is more mature now than BTC when I heard of it. It has 50 times higher market cap as well...
Not much to add here. Why i believe this is an artificial pump by a marketmaker, is well explained by Risto already.
Since XMR gained nearly 300% in value in a few days and seeing 100btc buywalls at 0,0080 on polo, i honestly can not believe in "natural" growth.
The fallback will probably be as fast and deep as the upleg.

You seem to be interpreting Risto's post very strangely -- verging on fantasy even.

Risto is drawing the parallel to BTC in 2011 ie a pullback is still possible before another exponential increase.  He advises the complete opposite of what you propose ie buy and hold rather than trade your holding away.

And as Febo states, even your figures are wrong.



Everbody reads what he likes to read, so nothing new to me. Interpret the writing as you like, regardless if it's Ristos or mine.
My Figures are not wrong, weeks are filled with days, but i do not want to argue about peanuts.

If it smells like a Marketmakerpump, it tends to be a Marketmakerpump  Grin

Your figures are wrong. If you don't want to argue/defend them, correct them. A few days != a few weeks. Also, when using "gained", you should reference the correct number -- that is, 200%, not 300%. 0.003 -> 0.009 is a 200% gain.

Of course there's a lot of irrational exuberance. There always is on large price rises. Trying to be a "voice of reason" while utilizing falsehoods is counterproductive, however.
legendary
Activity: 2744
Merit: 1288
August 24, 2016, 11:35:48 AM



Since XMR gained nearly 300% in value in a few days and seeing 100btc buywalls at 0,0080 on polo, i honestly can not believe in "natural" growth.
The fallback will probably be as fast and deep as the upleg.

Monero gained 300% in value in a few months. (0.0021-0.0085)
In few days it gained 100% (0.0042-0.0085)
and in few weeks gained 200% (0.0028-0.0085)

Yeah, well on Aug 14'th it was around  0,003 and yesterday it was around 0,009, so thats a few days or weeks  Wink


14t august was 0.0032 . and that was a minimum same as was  a maximum 0.009. It is always hard to catch maximums and minimums, my posts used more normal since you could get coins easily at that price at that time.  If we took this 2 extremes in calculation we get. 180% raise in last 10 days.  If you were a super lucky trader. You need a time machine to actually make it happen.
hero member
Activity: 870
Merit: 585
August 24, 2016, 11:29:05 AM
I'm curious how a currency like XMR is allowed to trade on Polo. How can they comply with KYC and AML given the fundamentals of XMR?

Monero is optionally transparent.
Kind of like paper dollars.  I can tell the IRS how many dollars Ignatz gave me for that flugelhorn.  Same with monero.
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1001
August 24, 2016, 11:26:10 AM
The game is about how many you own and can keep in your possession. If you own 1000 BTC, you are well positioned, but it is expensive to gain that position if you start now. If you owned 1000 BTC five years ago, it is equally good as 1000 BTC now, only if you have managed to keep it from theft, hack, taxman, your own mistakes in storage, and most importantly from your urge to sell.

Many reading this have 1000 XMR, or even much more. In five years, or less, it might have equal value as 1000 BTC now. Statistically, an extremely small fraction of people manage to do it, though.

I believe it's prudent to budget in advance that half of the remaining coins are lost, every time the price rises x10. So the ones who wish to have the coveted 1000 XMR when the price hits $5k, should buy 10k now.

Hmm... it seems that XMR is more mature now than BTC when I heard of it. It has 50 times higher market cap as well...

I like this strategy. Lot of people might say "SELL NOW", price may go down, which is certainly a probable outcome. As for me, I decided I want to have X amount of Monero and I try to adhere around that number. There was a brief time I played the sell because I thought it would go lower, then ended up buying back higher, then the price went lower...personally I don't want that stress and it causes me to make bad decisions. This is the opposite advice some people would give you (don't get attached to any asset, etc). I think you can get attached as long as you ensure the decision is right for you.


Personally, I like a variation of buy and hold that rpietila discussed for Bitcoin awhile back: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sss-a-sane-and-simple-bitcoin-savings-plan-345065

  • Pick the number you want to hold long term.
  • Buy 2 or 3x that much and sell 10% every time it doubles.
  • Optionally buy back in on significant dips.

 This way you get to take some profits, you hold a meaningful amount long term and if you want to buy back in on the dips, you have the funds to do so. Although no investment is 100% stressfree, this method has worked for my holdings.
legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1041
August 24, 2016, 11:18:38 AM
How did this coin get to be on the spotlight these days? is there any new development?
I did invest to this coinback when it was yet 1.50USD Smiley now I'm regretting why i moved elsewhere Smiley
newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
August 24, 2016, 11:17:08 AM
Google searches for the term Monero and XMR went 5x after alphabay announcement.

Reddit subscribers increased from 10-20 per day to 100-150 per day.

Still think it smells like a fake pump? LoL  Undecided
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
August 24, 2016, 11:15:57 AM
I'm curious how a currency like XMR is allowed to trade on Polo. How can they comply with KYC and AML given the fundamentals of XMR?

Monero is optionally transparent.
legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1001
August 24, 2016, 11:08:30 AM
So, this artificial pump is over in a few days and XMR will have time to consolidate until December back to 0.0018 - 0.0024
I hope you guys are selling your coins and getting them back in December, because this was a Marketmakerpump starting with somewhat 1000BTC and now ending slowly  Grin Wink

How is it artificial?

Care to provide proof of your claims?

Well it sure looked special, turning half of the existing XMR in 24 hours. Reminds me of the Mintpal pump.

That said, I believe much good was achieved regardless of anything. It is possible that this was the first real upleg. Or even if we fall back, I believe 420k will now be a strong support. Even going to 180-240k, nothing new there. Not many thought it possible to revisit 100k, yet even that happened!


The game is about how many you own and can keep in your possession. If you own 1000 BTC, you are well positioned, but it is expensive to gain that position if you start now. If you owned 1000 BTC five years ago, it is equally good as 1000 BTC now, only if you have managed to keep it from theft, hack, taxman, your own mistakes in storage, and most importantly from your urge to sell.

Many reading this have 1000 XMR, or even much more. In five years, or less, it might have equal value as 1000 BTC now. Statistically, an extremely small fraction of people manage to do it, though.

I believe it's prudent to budget in advance that half of the remaining coins are lost, every time the price rises x10. So the ones who wish to have the coveted 1000 XMR when the price hits $5k, should buy 10k now.

Hmm... it seems that XMR is more mature now than BTC when I heard of it. It has 50 times higher market cap as well...
Not much to add here. Why i believe this is an artificial pump by a marketmaker, is well explained by Risto already.
Since XMR gained nearly 300% in value in a few days and seeing 100btc buywalls at 0,0080 on polo, i honestly can not believe in "natural" growth.
The fallback will probably be as fast and deep as the upleg.

You seem to be interpreting Risto's post very strangely -- verging on fantasy even.

Risto is drawing the parallel to BTC in 2011 ie a pullback is still possible before another exponential increase.  He advises the complete opposite of what you propose ie buy and hold rather than trade your holding away.

And as Febo states, even your figures are wrong.



Everbody reads what he likes to read, so nothing new to me. Interpret the writing as you like, regardless if it's Ristos or mine.
My Figures are not wrong, weeks are filled with days, but i do not want to argue about peanuts.

If it smells like a Marketmakerpump, it tends to be a Marketmakerpump  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1001
August 24, 2016, 11:02:07 AM
So, this artificial pump is over in a few days and XMR will have time to consolidate until December back to 0.0018 - 0.0024
I hope you guys are selling your coins and getting them back in December, because this was a Marketmakerpump starting with somewhat 1000BTC and now ending slowly  Grin Wink

Selling?? You mean I should not be going all in right now? Huh

Well, at your own risk, i am not buying  Shocked
legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1001
August 24, 2016, 11:01:19 AM



Since XMR gained nearly 300% in value in a few days and seeing 100btc buywalls at 0,0080 on polo, i honestly can not believe in "natural" growth.
The fallback will probably be as fast and deep as the upleg.

Monero gained 300% in value in a few months. (0.0021-0.0085)
In few days it gained 100% (0.0042-0.0085)
and in few weeks gained 200% (0.0028-0.0085)

Yeah, well on Aug 14'th it was around  0,003 and yesterday it was around 0,009, so thats a few days or weeks  Wink
pa
hero member
Activity: 528
Merit: 501
August 24, 2016, 11:00:24 AM
Even when Zcash arrives I'd distrust it as a long-term store of value, because of the setup issue (an irresistible temptation for TPTB).

Its not usable transactionally either from my PoV: The implementors are not to be trusted. 

Was trying not to go there but fwiw: I agree.
legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 2053
Free spirit
August 24, 2016, 10:42:09 AM
I bought my first batch of XMR two years ago, around .005 BTC. I really wasn't sure if it would ever get to that price again, as the crypto community seemed to continually pass it up for inferior coins, like Dash. Now, here we are.

XMR "feels" like BTC circa 2012-13. People are taking notice. The advantages of Monero over any other currency are now being recognized by the wider community. Soon, they'll be utilized. Usage, speculation, the ecosystem, and the price are likely to grow ever faster.




I'm with you on this similar timeframe and circumstances.

If nothing else we have seen whats possible with a bit of potential adoption and raising the profile. Pump or not. Here's to the future.

Shame I diversified 1 BTC out a few months back, still I wouldn't be saying that if it went to 0 and that's Ristos point really isn't it.


legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1164
August 24, 2016, 10:39:04 AM
Just recently someone said in the trollbox that already 12 vendors at Alphabay are about to take Monero payments... Because it is a trollbox, I'd like to know if somebody has any information is it true or just B.S.
Also, it would be nice to follow how wide is the Monero adaption among D.N.M. in general so if someone is more specialized to those would you care to give some additional & factual info.

Deepdotweb does not even have an update on how widely Monero is adopted yet but they probably will. I think you would have to do your own research (join the markets for a look see) to get the answers.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
August 24, 2016, 10:38:51 AM
Just recently someone said in the trollbox that already 12 vendors at Alphabay are about to take Monero payments... Because it is a trollbox, I'd like to know if somebody has any information is it true or just B.S.
Also, it would be nice to follow how wide is the Monero adaption among D.N.M. in general so if someone is more specialized to those would you care to give some additional & factual info.

I heard something similar on reddit. I'd imagine anyone using tor and BTC is already somewhat tech savvy. The barriers to entry for monero, i.e lack of official GUI wallet, lack of direct USD-XMR trading, shouldn't be too big of a hurdle for D.N.M. users.
I signed up and made a search for who accepts monero. Got 70 pages of results and browsed through the first 8 pages.. counted 30+ vendors just there so probably a lot more. Not sure if there's a better way to check these stats.

Then no doubt Monero will become expensive.
Selling now is like selling for peanuts if this is true. Sure tomorrow you might be able to buy 10-20% cheaper with some probability but also if the shorters are hunting for dumps there may not be chance of getting any meaningful amount of coins for cheaper price.

Anyway, this pump haven't affected my position, I might buy some more actually (which is insignificiant considering the size of my overall stash) to support the price, after all there are takers to my coins in the future most likely.
legendary
Activity: 1552
Merit: 1047
August 24, 2016, 10:26:56 AM
Just recently someone said in the trollbox that already 12 vendors at Alphabay are about to take Monero payments... Because it is a trollbox, I'd like to know if somebody has any information is it true or just B.S.
Also, it would be nice to follow how wide is the Monero adaption among D.N.M. in general so if someone is more specialized to those would you care to give some additional & factual info.

I heard something similar on reddit. I'd imagine anyone using tor and BTC is already somewhat tech savvy. The barriers to entry for monero, i.e lack of official GUI wallet, lack of direct USD-XMR trading, shouldn't be too big of a hurdle for D.N.M. users.
I signed up and made a search for who accepts monero. Got 70 pages of results and browsed through the first 8 pages.. counted 30+ vendors just there so probably a lot more. Not sure if there's a better way to check these stats.
legendary
Activity: 2660
Merit: 2868
Shitcoin Minimalist
August 24, 2016, 10:10:36 AM
Just recently someone said in the trollbox that already 12 vendors at Alphabay are about to take Monero payments... Because it is a trollbox, I'd like to know if somebody has any information is it true or just B.S.
Also, it would be nice to follow how wide is the Monero adaption among D.N.M. in general so if someone is more specialized to those would you care to give some additional & factual info.

I heard something similar on reddit. I'd imagine anyone using tor and BTC is already somewhat tech savvy. The barriers to entry for monero, i.e lack of official GUI wallet, lack of direct USD-XMR trading, shouldn't be too big of a hurdle for D.N.M. users.
legendary
Activity: 2660
Merit: 2868
Shitcoin Minimalist
August 24, 2016, 10:06:38 AM
I bought my first batch of XMR two years ago, around .005 BTC. I really wasn't sure if it would ever get to that price again, as the crypto community seemed to continually pass it up for inferior coins, like Dash. Now, here we are.

XMR "feels" like BTC circa 2012-13. People are taking notice. The advantages of Monero over any other currency are now being recognized by the wider community. Soon, they'll be utilized. Usage, speculation, the ecosystem, and the price are likely to grow ever faster.


newbie
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legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
August 24, 2016, 10:02:43 AM
Just recently someone said in the trollbox that already 12 vendors at Alphabay are about to take Monero payments... Because it is a trollbox, I'd like to know if somebody has any information is it true or just B.S.
Also, it would be nice to follow how wide is the Monero adaption among D.N.M. in general so if someone is more specialized to those would you care to give some additional & factual info.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
August 24, 2016, 09:34:26 AM
I'm curious how a currency like XMR is allowed to trade on Polo. How can they comply with KYC and AML given the fundamentals of XMR?

There is no legal tender involved.
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