[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 142.

Hueristic

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Quote from: phishead on July 10, 2019, 05:00:07 PM

All this talk of will xmr will ever “shake btc dominance” and trying to justify whether the xmr/btc price will ever moon brings back fond memories of early 2016.

All we need now is Hueristic to start dabbling in margin trading again and we are bound to rocket once again after another alphabay announcement Wink

Ha, right! I may when Binances new exchange opens. BTW, i wasn't trading when alphabay hit I was temporarily dis-invested while dealing with a liquidity issue and we had been sideways so long I figured i could use those funds elsewhere for a month. I really do have the worst luck.

Quote from: smooth on July 10, 2019, 05:39:17 PM

Reasons for XMR to potentially to overtake BTC. I'm not predicting this just throwing out reasons why it could happen.

1. Pure stupidity of crypto markets i.e. anything is possible. e.g. Verge could overtake BTC.
2. Tail reward comes to forefront as a confidence crisis over stability
3. On-chain fungibility advantage recognized as crucial
4. RandomX is a huge success (large and widely-distributed mining network becomes a clear advantage, contributing to a confidence flip)
5. Flexible blocksize results in significantly better on-chain scalability without a bloat explosion that destroys decentralization.

It would be great but I wouldn't hold my breath. The establishment money are making money on btc/Fiat again and they barely even recognize Bitcoins existence let alone a system that will disrupt their very existence.

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Reasons for XMR to potentially to overtake BTC. I'm not predicting this just throwing out reasons why it could happen.

1. Pure stupidity of crypto markets i.e. anything is possible. e.g. Verge could overtake BTC.
2. Tail reward comes to forefront as a confidence crisis over stability
3. On-chain fungibility advantage recognized as crucial
4. RandomX is a huge success (large and widely-distributed mining network becomes a clear advantage, contributing to a confidence flip)
5. Flexible blocksize results in significantly better on-chain scalability without a bloat explosion that destroys decentralization.

phishead

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All this talk of will xmr will ever “shake btc dominance” and trying to justify whether the xmr/btc price will ever moon brings back fond memories of early 2016.

All we need now is Hueristic to start dabbling in margin trading again and we are bound to rocket once again after another alphabay announcement Wink

Hueristic

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Quote from: 7jaka7 on July 09, 2019, 12:55:04 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on July 08, 2019, 06:32:35 PM

Good question, i would have said Binance but not anymore (if your in the us). If your not in the US then binance as far as centralized exchanges go.

We need a Decentralized exchange thats safe with low fees and i don't know of one.

From my personal experience:
for BTC-XMR pair
- I would still advise Poloniex, if you just make a trade and immediately send funds to your wallet you reduce the risk substantially (this is true for all exchanges), if manipulation happens it affects the price on all exchanges anyway
- Binance (if not prohibited in your country)
- you can also try tokens.net, it's an exchange founded by the same guy as Bitstamp
BTC-FIAT pair
- Kraken

About decentralized exchange, you can try Bisq (I have just dowloaded app long time ago, didn't make any trades there though), fees doesn't seem too high 0,1% - 0,3%, and I think there is also a FIAT pair available there. The problem might be UX and liquidity (few months ago weekly event Monero Monday increased it, since people were encouraged to trade XMR there, don't know if this is still going on). https://bisq.network/

Just tried that tokens.net and

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on July 10, 2019, 02:32:58 AM

Poloniex adds fiat deposits and withdrawals - Monero included (XMR/USDC pair is available on Poloniex)!

https://twitter.com/Poloniex/status/1148664944130449415

Poloniex is 0wned by Goldman Ballsacks! That is the Quintessential FatCat bankers we want to stay away from Dammit!
https://www.goldmansachs.com/

Jesus they just manipulated clams to rip off the insurance fund and then dumped all their ~~stolen~~ seized coins us.

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on July 09, 2019, 12:18:22 PM

The third audit (by X41) of RandomX has successfully been completed!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ca71ok/randomx_audit_statuas/

This is great news!

Quote from: johnalan on July 10, 2019, 05:22:23 AM

Any predictions from here?

I can't see us dropping lower than 0.005, that said I didn't ever think we'd get to 0.007.

Chances of BTC ATH in next 2 years: I guess 20%.

Chances of USD ATH in next 2 years: I guess 60%

Any thoughts?

Doesn't sound unreasonable if you extent the BTC timeline a bit, I expect once we start to rocket again there will be a new Floor so high that will make us all cry we didn't sell everything to be stocking up right now.

Hueristic

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Quote from: hotforblockchain on July 09, 2019, 08:12:37 AM

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on July 09, 2019, 06:58:10 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on July 08, 2019, 06:37:24 PM

Don't invest in it.

Use it.

You can both invest in it and use it. The one does not necessarily exclude the other. Besides, private wealth storage is a perfectly valid use case.

Yes!
I currently dont have a way to use Monero.
Most of you will hate me for saying this but in 5 years time, I dont think that there will be much potential for good privacy coins investment wise.
And the reason is that regulation is moving in and they will not like exchanges listing coins which are non traceable.

Using it and expanding it's market reach will be the best protection against future censorship.

I refuse to give a tip online unless they have a Monero address, if we all did that (in other areas as well) then we could create a snowball effect.

@dEBRUYNE, I disagree. BTC seems to be the champ in that department and as long as you can buy Monero with BTC then that probably will not change for awhile.

Quote from: Febo on July 09, 2019, 08:29:35 AM

Quote from: hotforblockchain on July 09, 2019, 08:12:37 AM

I currently dont have a way to use Monero.

And the reason is that regulation is moving in and they will not like exchanges listing coins which are non traceable.

Monero have good use case for people and for governments. Regulations will regulate exchanges not the coins since they are permissionless and decentralized. Decentralized exchanges will be harder regulated.

Monero has the best "Use case" of any ~~virtual~~ currency, the problem is governments do not like to give up the main control they have on the sheeple and that is through the banking system.

Whtwabbit

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Quote from: hotforblockchain on July 10, 2019, 07:04:37 AM

Quote from: phishead on July 09, 2019, 09:05:12 AM

Will be interesting to see what happens to decentralized cryptocurrencies vs. centralized cryptocurrencies in the near future. I could see a situation coming up where governments will try to force companies like Coinbase and the like to exchange only centralized "legitimate" cryptocurrencies.

Edit: when I'm talking about centralized cryptocurrencies, I'm thinking of projects that are trying to jump through every single legalization loop hole nations through at it; i.e. Libra, Cardano, etc.

If I remember correctly , Coinbase the " legitimacy" of asset already has been of a huge importance . They are scared of regulation laws which can potentially impact them.

Dont even mention Libra, it a disgrace to block chain technology and crypto currency name.

Can you remember or supply a link to the "regulation laws which can potentially impact them"?

johnalan

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Quote from: kurious on July 10, 2019, 12:42:26 PM

Quote from: johnalan on July 10, 2019, 05:22:23 AM

Any predictions from here?

I can't see us dropping lower than 0.005, that said I didn't ever think we'd get to 0.007.

Chances of BTC ATH in next 2 years: I guess 20%.

Chances of USD ATH in next 2 years: I guess 60%

Any thoughts?

Right now Bitcoin dominance is seemingly unstoppable. The investment-grade money (it's not really all retail anymore) favours Bitcoin. Massive hashing power security supporting their need for sleeping soundly, plus ease of purchase / disposal in massive markets that can offer real liquidity.

ATH against Bitcoin? Very small likelihood in the foreseeable future (2-3 years).... 10%?
ATH USD? Not yet, but after the great alt shakeout we are seeing? Likely for a good coin with a privacy use case which Bitcoin does not (and may never) have - over 50% chance is reasonable in the next 2 years.

But right now? Steel balls required; Bitcoin calls the shots.

Dominance heading for 70%, maybe higher. Shit's gonna hurt for alts until retail FOMO comes in and the alts get some money flowing in that feels it's 'too late' to buy Bitcoin. All SOMA - YMMV, DYOR....

Yup totally agree. 2 year out from ATH in fiat. Maybe no more ATH in BTC terms.

kurious

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Quote from: johnalan on July 10, 2019, 05:22:23 AM

Any predictions from here?

I can't see us dropping lower than 0.005, that said I didn't ever think we'd get to 0.007.

Chances of BTC ATH in next 2 years: I guess 20%.

Chances of USD ATH in next 2 years: I guess 60%

Any thoughts?

Right now Bitcoin dominance is seemingly unstoppable. The investment-grade money (it's not really all retail anymore) favours Bitcoin. Massive hashing power security supporting their need for sleeping soundly, plus ease of purchase / disposal in massive markets that can offer real liquidity.

ATH against Bitcoin? Very small likelihood in the foreseeable future (2-3 years).... 10%?
ATH USD? Not yet, but after the great alt shakeout we are seeing? Likely for a good coin with a privacy use case which Bitcoin does not (and may never) have - over 50% chance is reasonable in the next 2 years.

But right now? Steel balls required; Bitcoin calls the shots.

Dominance heading for 70%, maybe higher. Shit's gonna hurt for alts until retail FOMO comes in and the alts get some money flowing in that feels it's 'too late' to buy Bitcoin. All SOMA - YMMV, DYOR....

hotforblockchain

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Quote from: phishead on July 09, 2019, 09:05:12 AM

Will be interesting to see what happens to decentralized cryptocurrencies vs. centralized cryptocurrencies in the near future. I could see a situation coming up where governments will try to force companies like Coinbase and the like to exchange only centralized "legitimate" cryptocurrencies.

Edit: when I'm talking about centralized cryptocurrencies, I'm thinking of projects that are trying to jump through every single legalization loop hole nations through at it; i.e. Libra, Cardano, etc.

If I remember correctly , Coinbase the " legitimacy" of asset already has been of a huge importance . They are scared of regulation laws which can potentially impact them.

Dont even mention Libra, it a disgrace to block chain technology and crypto currency name.

johnalan

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Any predictions from here?

I can't see us dropping lower than 0.005, that said I didn't ever think we'd get to 0.007.

Chances of BTC ATH in next 2 years: I guess 20%.

Chances of USD ATH in next 2 years: I guess 60%

Any thoughts?

dEBRUYNE

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Poloniex adds fiat deposits and withdrawals - Monero included (XMR/USDC pair is available on Poloniex)!

https://twitter.com/Poloniex/status/1148664944130449415

7jaka7

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BTC, ETH, XMR, LTC

Quote from: Hueristic on July 08, 2019, 06:32:35 PM

Quote from: Chicken_76 on July 06, 2019, 03:59:09 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on July 04, 2019, 10:20:53 AM

I don't trust a thing I see on that exchange anymore, I think its all smoke and mirrors using stolen coins to destroy Moneros value. It's completely controlled by institutional bankers with Zero accountability.

NO-one Should have coins on that exchange.

Which exchanges would you recommend?

Good question, i would have said Binance but not anymore (if your in the us). If your not in the US then binance as far as centralized exchanges go.

We need a Decentralized exchange thats safe with low fees and i don't know of one.

From my personal experience:
for BTC-XMR pair
- I would still advise Poloniex, if you just make a trade and immediately send funds to your wallet you reduce the risk substantially (this is true for all exchanges), if manipulation happens it affects the price on all exchanges anyway
- Binance (if not prohibited in your country)
- you can also try tokens.net, it's an exchange founded by the same guy as Bitstamp
BTC-FIAT pair
- Kraken

About decentralized exchange, you can try Bisq (I have just dowloaded app long time ago, didn't make any trades there though), fees doesn't seem too high 0,1% - 0,3%, and I think there is also a FIAT pair available there. The problem might be UX and liquidity (few months ago weekly event Monero Monday increased it, since people were encouraged to trade XMR there, don't know if this is still going on). https://bisq.network/

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on July 09, 2019, 06:58:10 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on July 08, 2019, 06:37:24 PM

Don't invest in it.

Use it.

You can both invest in it and use it. The one does not necessarily exclude the other. Besides, private wealth storage is a perfectly valid use case.

I was thinking just the same. Why can't store of value be one of its use cases? Especially Monero, which is an asset with very unique and interesting properties. https://www.monero.how/monero-infographic

Quote from: Febo on July 05, 2019, 09:18:01 AM

I just looked on monero.how and saw that minimum fee is $0.0027. It is funny how things change if you work hard to change them. Monero become easy to set up and use. Monero fees become microscopic. Monero blockchain become small ( under 25 gb) and can be synced in few hours. Monero emission inflation is going under Bitcoins and soon after under Golds mining inflation. I wonder how long it will take for most people in crypto and this forum to realize this.

Good for those who already realized that.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/valueinvesting.asp

gembitz

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Quote from: phishead on July 09, 2019, 09:05:12 AM

Quote from: Febo on July 09, 2019, 08:29:35 AM

Quote from: hotforblockchain on July 09, 2019, 08:12:37 AM

I currently dont have a way to use Monero.

And the reason is that regulation is moving in and they will not like exchanges listing coins which are non traceable.

Monero have good use case for people and for governments. Regulations will regulate exchanges not the coins since they are permissionless and decentralized. Decentralized exchanges will be harder regulated.

Just like with cash, though the only major difference is that regulations will regulate exchanges (banks) not the cash since they are permissionless and centralized.

Will be interesting to see what happens to decentralized cryptocurrencies vs. centralized cryptocurrencies in the near future. I could see a situation coming up where governments will try to force companies like Coinbase and the like to exchange only centralized "legitimate" cryptocurrencies.

I mean we can see how nations can ban together to scream what is "legitimate" louder than other nations, whether right or wrong. Example A would be Venezuela.

Edit: when I'm talking about centralized cryptocurrencies, I'm thinking of projects that are trying to jump through every single legalization loop hole nations through at it; i.e. Libra, Cardano, etc.

what makes you think poloniex doesn't run the show behind the scenes of bitmonero ? Cool

===> n00bzZz!!!

dEBRUYNE

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The third audit (by X41) of RandomX has successfully been completed!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ca71ok/randomx_audit_statuas/

Dpat

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Monero is not a speculative coin because this coin also in the front runner like the ETH, LTC etc. You can invest in XMR now which is in very decent level. This coin must go above $500 in the next move if the bull will come for the altcoins.

dEBRUYNE

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Quote from: hotforblockchain on July 09, 2019, 08:12:37 AM

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on July 09, 2019, 06:58:10 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on July 08, 2019, 06:37:24 PM

Don't invest in it.

Use it.

You can both invest in it and use it. The one does not necessarily exclude the other. Besides, private wealth storage is a perfectly valid use case.

Yes!
I currently dont have a way to use Monero.
Most of you will hate me for saying this but in 5 years time, I dont think that there will be much potential for good privacy coins investment wise.
And the reason is that regulation is moving in and they will not like exchanges listing coins which are non traceable.

I am going to post this ad nauseum until it sticks:

Quote

People often like to purport that Monero will inevitably get banned. However, the new FinCEN guidance is basically inconsistent with that notion. From the CoinCenter article:

Quote

Section 4.5.3 states that exchanges are not per se banned from using privacy-preserving cryptocurrencies but will need to comply with the same BSA regulations they comply with for typical cryptocurrencies. We believe that this is possible. Exchanges need to know their customers but they do not have a black letter law requirement to know the customers of their customers. In other words, a bank needs to know who you are but they are not obligated to know the name and address of people that you pay using cash you withdraw from your account.

https://coincenter.org/entry/fincen-s-new-cryptocurrency-guidance-matches-coin-center-recommendations

Arguably, this is long-term bullish for Monero.

Additionally, Tari Labs is creating an open source framework for listing Monero as well as educating regulators.

phishead

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Quote from: Febo on July 09, 2019, 08:29:35 AM

Quote from: hotforblockchain on July 09, 2019, 08:12:37 AM

I currently dont have a way to use Monero.

And the reason is that regulation is moving in and they will not like exchanges listing coins which are non traceable.

Monero have good use case for people and for governments. Regulations will regulate exchanges not the coins since they are permissionless and decentralized. Decentralized exchanges will be harder regulated.

Just like with cash, though the only major difference is that regulations will regulate exchanges (banks) not the cash since they are permissionless and centralized.

Will be interesting to see what happens to decentralized cryptocurrencies vs. centralized cryptocurrencies in the near future. I could see a situation coming up where governments will try to force companies like Coinbase and the like to exchange only centralized "legitimate" cryptocurrencies.

I mean we can see how nations can ban together to scream what is "legitimate" louder than other nations, whether right or wrong. Example A would be Venezuela.

Edit: when I'm talking about centralized cryptocurrencies, I'm thinking of projects that are trying to jump through every single legalization loop hole nations through at it; i.e. Libra, Cardano, etc.

Febo

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Quote from: hotforblockchain on July 09, 2019, 08:12:37 AM

I currently dont have a way to use Monero.

And the reason is that regulation is moving in and they will not like exchanges listing coins which are non traceable.

Monero have good use case for people and for governments. Regulations will regulate exchanges not the coins since they are permissionless and decentralized. Decentralized exchanges will be harder regulated.

hotforblockchain

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on July 09, 2019, 06:58:10 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on July 08, 2019, 06:37:24 PM

Don't invest in it.

Use it.

You can both invest in it and use it. The one does not necessarily exclude the other. Besides, private wealth storage is a perfectly valid use case.

Yes!
I currently dont have a way to use Monero.
Most of you will hate me for saying this but in 5 years time, I dont think that there will be much potential for good privacy coins investment wise.
And the reason is that regulation is moving in and they will not like exchanges listing coins which are non traceable.

dEBRUYNE

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Quote from: Hueristic on July 08, 2019, 06:37:24 PM

Don't invest in it.

Use it.

You can both invest in it and use it. The one does not necessarily exclude the other. Besides, private wealth storage is a perfectly valid use case.

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