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sr. member
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February 25, 2016, 02:46:28 PM
Just had an amusing argument with a coworker who has heard my Monero exploits and saw me looking Polo earlier.  
  
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"So if I buy Monero, where will it be at in 6 months?"    
  
"I don't know and anyone who says they do is probably lying."  
  
"But you own it."  
  
"Yes, a lot.  Everything I have is in it."  
  
"So what if I put 30 thousand dollars in it.  Will I double it?"  
  
"I don't think you should do that.  Are you prepared to lose every cent of that 30 thousand dollars?"  
  
"Well no, I don't want to lose that money."  
  
"Then definitely don't put it in cryptocurrency.  If you want some, only put in what you are prepared to totally lose."  
  
"Ok, but what are the chances of it going to zero?"  
  
"I don't know - I can only tell you that I have all my savings into it, and I am prepared to lose every dime of that.  It will hurt, but I will still be eating.  You should not buy this if you don't understand it."  
  
"Ok, but someone surely understand it.  What are they saying Monero goes to say.... by the end of the year?"  
  
"Listen, I am the smartest person you have access to regarding this stuff, and I simply don't know - nor would it be ethical for me to guess when I already own it and you are considering putting money into this.  I could ask the smartest person I have access to about this, and they still probably wouldn't know."  
  
"Ok, so what if I put 30 thousand dollars into this."  
  
"What if I told you there was a hot penny stock that could guarantee to double your money in 6 months; would you buy it?"  
  
"Well, no."  
  
"So why are you so gung ho to shovel so much money into this?"  
  
"What was Monero at 2 months ago?"  
  
"About 40 cents."  
  
"What is it now?"  
  
"80 cents."  
  
"So I could have already doubled my money?  Fuckkkk."  
  
"Yes, but that is the past.  Now you have to decide if it's worth 80 cents.  I think you should read about it and consider putting in just a little money, no more than you are willing to completely lose."
 

Bottom line: it happened before with Bitcoin and it will happen again.  There's going to be some hardcore FOMO going around and it's going to cause a lot of people to lose money buying Monero at the peak.  Make sure you don't promise anyone anything with regards to it - and let them know you are prepared for it to go to zero, even if you hope it doesn't.




I had a similar discussion with a friend two months ago. Although he only wanted to invest $1500 - Anyway, He did it and is now happy about doubling his money.
hero member
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February 25, 2016, 02:39:20 PM
Just had an amusing argument with a coworker who has heard my Monero exploits and saw me looking Polo earlier.  
  
Quote
"So if I buy Monero, where will it be at in 6 months?"    
  
"I don't know and anyone who says they do is probably lying."  
  
"But you own it."  
  
"Yes, a lot.  Everything I have is in it."  
  
"So what if I put 30 thousand dollars in it.  Will I double it?"  
  
"I don't think you should do that.  Are you prepared to lose every cent of that 30 thousand dollars?"  
  
"Well no, I don't want to lose that money."  
  
"Then definitely don't put it in cryptocurrency.  If you want some, only put in what you are prepared to totally lose."  
  
"Ok, but what are the chances of it going to zero?"  
  
"I don't know - I can only tell you that I have all my savings into it, and I am prepared to lose every dime of that.  It will hurt, but I will still be eating.  You should not buy this if you don't understand it."  
  
"Ok, but someone surely understand it.  What are they saying Monero goes to say.... by the end of the year?"  
  
"Listen, I am the smartest person you have access to regarding this stuff, and I simply don't know - nor would it be ethical for me to guess when I already own it and you are considering putting money into this.  I could ask the smartest person I have access to about this, and they still probably wouldn't know."  
  
"Ok, so what if I put 30 thousand dollars into this."  
  
"What if I told you there was a hot penny stock that could guarantee to double your money in 6 months; would you buy it?"  
  
"Well, no."  
  
"So why are you so gung ho to shovel so much money into this?"  
  
"What was Monero at 2 months ago?"  
  
"About 40 cents."  
  
"What is it now?"  
  
"80 cents."  
  
"So I could have already doubled my money?  Fuckkkk."  
  
"Yes, but that is the past.  Now you have to decide if it's worth 80 cents.  I think you should read about it and consider putting in just a little money, no more than you are willing to completely lose."
 

Bottom line: it happened before with Bitcoin and it will happen again.  There's going to be some hardcore FOMO going around and it's going to cause a lot of people to lose money buying Monero at the peak.  Make sure you don't promise anyone anything with regards to it - and let them know you are prepared for it to go to zero, even if you hope it doesn't.


legendary
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February 25, 2016, 02:33:44 PM
Market still looking bullish in my opinion. Furthermore, someone took out +- 8k in shorts and subsequently dumped them on the bids.

EDIT: Still taking out shorts and subsequently dumping them. Up to +- 10k now I estimate.

EDIT2: Up to +- 13k now. All market dumped.

EDIT3: Make that +-14k. Bear in mind that he has to buy it back sometime.

EDIT4: He took out another 3-4k which are slowly being dumped now, totalling +- 18k.
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February 25, 2016, 02:14:53 PM

When Monero reaches 400 000 usd per coin I might spend fractions of Moneros for payments but perhaps not to sell them. Fiat money I do not need as long as I am able to purchase the stuff I need with Moneros. Therefore do not expect me to dump any serious amounts of coins. Bear in mind, the cost of food today was less than 3 euros so it means I would overspend if I pay 0.00001 XMR for my daily consumption. And the merchant might hold the Moneros at that point which creates higher value for Monero.
 
 
I think the real question is at what point do you start handing over chunks of your hoard to third parties for safe keeping, if only to diversify your security. 
 
For example, it would be pretty stupid to have 5 billion in cash under a mattress.  Such a purse would attract the wrong sort.  A smart billionaire would have his fortune spread around many institutions which safe guard it for him, and also have his own private nest egg such that if every institution in the world turned against him/her, they would still be wealthy.
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February 25, 2016, 01:51:28 PM
Funny coin, block reward already below 7xmr Smiley) In two years poof no more block reward Smiley) Whoever came up with this is a total retard Smiley

That is not true. There will be rewards 2 years from now.
hero member
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February 25, 2016, 01:45:24 PM

I believe it will take 50 years to reach that price if the Monero does not die in the mean time. It need more development.

IMHO, each Monero will likely be valued at the equivalent of today's 400,000 USD by the year 2032 - a little over 16 years.  This assumes that quantum computing is not freely available and doesn't decimate all forms of encryption, and that we aren't able to change/maintain the currency to protect it.  
  
Can you wait 16 years to be a billionaire?
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February 25, 2016, 01:28:36 PM
When Monero reaches 400 000 usd per coin I might spend fractions of Moneros for payments but perhaps not to sell them. Fiat money I do not need as long as I am able to purchase the stuff I need with Moneros. Therefore do not expect me to dump any serious amounts of coins. Bear in mind, the cost of food today was less than 3 euros so it means I would overspend if I pay 0.00001 XMR for my daily consumption. And the merchant might hold the Moneros at that point which creates higher value for Monero.

I believe it will take 50 years to reach that price if the Monero does not die in the mean time. It need more development.
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 12:48:15 PM
XMR is the best anon currently available! Buying a ton of it a little birdy told me she's pumping next month. Think it'll get to 1000 BTC per XMR.


Apparently you are setting boundaries to the upside. Please bear in the mind the community is not selling in the need of money but helping the people outside of M8nero community to get at least a tiny share of the digital gold.

If XMR hit USD 400000 each I can assure you I will be a seller.

You are selling too early then - especially if you are planning to exit completely at 400 000 usd.

i would be totally comfortable knowing i sold too early at that point.

i could easily run more than seven failing presidential campaigns from my own pocket and still manage OD on coke Cheesy

by the seventh failure id be at retirement age, so naturally id collect social security or something.

When Monero reaches 400 000 usd per coin I might spend fractions of Moneros for payments but perhaps not to sell them. Fiat money I do not need as long as I am able to purchase the stuff I need with Moneros. Therefore do not expect me to dump any serious amounts of coins. Bear in mind, the cost of food today was less than 3 euros so it means I would overspend if I pay 0.00001 XMR for my daily consumption. And the merchant might hold the Moneros at that point which creates higher value for Monero.
hero member
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February 25, 2016, 11:31:40 AM
I look forward to an invitation to the Saberhagen roundtable in a few years.   Grin 
 
In the meantime, if anyone sees theymos IRL tell him to split the altcoin boards up in a way that makes more sense.  We need either serious/speculation boards, or perhaps separate boards for the top 10 CoinGecko coins.
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 11:25:00 AM
I have another question.  I only have 32 bit linux.  Can I run simplewallet?

Yes, there are binaries for 32 bit here:

How come Monero still don't have wallet for windows 32 bit?
(I see you have for version 64 bit).
For example i have windows 7 32 bit and all i can do is to store my Moneros on Bittrex,
Also i have phone and same story. I wont install 64 version especially for Monero. Many think like me.
This is very strong community and good development, try to fix this.
Thanks!

p.s.
Sorry i didn't read one thousand pages to find answers for myself, i don't have much time.
 Don't get me wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/433w2u/new_32bit_binaries_for_v091/

Those should work.

Even though they are unofficial, hyc is trustworthy.

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FYI people, hyc is the author of LMDB, which Monero uses -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Memory-Mapped_Database
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February 25, 2016, 11:14:05 AM
URL here:

https://moneroaddress.org/

Which is simply a port of:

https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator

Finally, the seed is compatible with both MyMonero and simplewallet.
 

mymonero.com generates a 13 word seed, but moneroaddress.org uses 25 words.

In order to generate a wallet that's compatible with both, you have to start by generating a 25 word wallet at moneroaddress.org.  Then, you go to mymonero.com and enter the 25 word seed (mymonero.com will accept 25 word seeds, though it doesn't generate them).
When mymonero brings up the wallet, it will show the balance but no transactions, and you will have two choices:
Import transactions
Pay a small fee to import all the previous transactions for this account (you can always find this later in Account > Import Wallet)
Don't import transactions
You can send and receive coins from your account, but you won't be able to see or spend any transactions you have received before now

My question:  
Let's say you choose not to import transactions, because it's a brand new wallet you just created, and there are no transactions yet to import.
You log out of mymonero.com.  You start sending moneroj to the address.
When you next log in to mymonero.com, does it show the transactions?

That should work, see smooth's comment:

because the webwallet can be monitored (probably) by the hosts and therefore frozen in case of emergency like some kind of governement interference.

MyMonero coins can't be frozen because if MyMonero refuses to let you use them (or shuts down), you can import your private keys (via the seed) to another wallet.

Coins that are deposited on a centralized exchange can be frozen.


Any chance to have this functionality in the GUI?  It would make things ultra easy.

There is some issue with merging the MyMonero seed import code that I don't understand, but code exists on github, available to be used in an emergency.

However, a readily available workaround is to create a wallet with simplewallet first, then use the same seed on MyMonero. At that point you have a wallet that can directly accessed with both methods (MyMonero for convenience, simplewallet or another wallet if necessary). I'm sure this method will work with the GUI as well.

I think the offline paper wallet generator (URL?) can also be used to create a fully portable wallet.


However, if you are going to use a paper wallet for storage I don't recommend importing the seed in MyMonero too.

Regardless of whether the wallet is generated in simplewallet or moneroaddress.org, one will have to pay a fee to import previous transactions into mymonero.com so that you can spend from the wallet.  I think the fee is 10 xmr.  It makes more sense to create a brand new wallet and open it in mymonero.com before sending any funds to it.  That way you avoid spending 10 xmr.

I have another question.  I only have 32 bit linux.  Can I run simplewallet?
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 11:08:01 AM
Crosspost from reddit:

"We now accept Monero at GoBelle.me and ProductMonth.com"

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Hi. This is just to let you know that we think highly of this cryptocurrency and for this reason we've implemented it for both https://productmonth.com and http://gobelle.me; we will also support it for implementation on the CoinPayments payment processor with the maximum of ten votes for each store that we have. We are building now a more complex platform that will accept cryptocurrencies and hopefully until it's done we can find a solution to implement automatic Monero payments without paying too much for a dedicated plugin. We're looking into it! Have a nice day Smiley

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/47j55o/we_now_accept_monero_at_gobelleme_and/
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 11:03:02 AM
URL here:

https://moneroaddress.org/

Which is simply a port of:

https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator

Finally, the seed is compatible with both MyMonero and simplewallet.
 

mymonero.com generates a 13 word seed, but moneroaddress.org uses 25 words.

In order to generate a wallet that's compatible with both, you have to start by generating a 25 word wallet at moneroaddress.org.  Then, you go to mymonero.com and enter the 25 word seed (mymonero.com will accept 25 word seeds, though it doesn't generate them).
When mymonero brings up the wallet, it will show the balance but no transactions, and you will have two choices:
Import transactions
Pay a small fee to import all the previous transactions for this account (you can always find this later in Account > Import Wallet)
Don't import transactions
You can send and receive coins from your account, but you won't be able to see or spend any transactions you have received before now

My question:  
Let's say you choose not to import transactions, because it's a brand new wallet you just created, and there are no transactions yet to import.
You log out of mymonero.com.  You start sending moneroj to the address.
When you next log in to mymonero.com, does it show the transactions?

That should work, see smooth's comment:

because the webwallet can be monitored (probably) by the hosts and therefore frozen in case of emergency like some kind of governement interference.

MyMonero coins can't be frozen because if MyMonero refuses to let you use them (or shuts down), you can import your private keys (via the seed) to another wallet.

Coins that are deposited on a centralized exchange can be frozen.


Any chance to have this functionality in the GUI?  It would make things ultra easy.

There is some issue with merging the MyMonero seed import code that I don't understand, but code exists on github, available to be used in an emergency.

However, a readily available workaround is to create a wallet with simplewallet first, then use the same seed on MyMonero. At that point you have a wallet that can directly accessed with both methods (MyMonero for convenience, simplewallet or another wallet if necessary). I'm sure this method will work with the GUI as well.

I think the offline paper wallet generator (URL?) can also be used to create a fully portable wallet.


However, if you are going to use a paper wallet for storage I don't recommend importing the seed in MyMonero too.
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February 25, 2016, 10:56:18 AM
URL here:

https://moneroaddress.org/

Which is simply a port of:

https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator

Finally, the seed is compatible with both MyMonero and simplewallet.
 

mymonero.com generates a 13 word seed, but moneroaddress.org uses 25 words.

In order to generate a wallet that's compatible with both, you have to start by generating a 25 word wallet at moneroaddress.org.  Then, you go to mymonero.com and enter the 25 word seed (mymonero.com will accept 25 word seeds, though it doesn't generate them).
When mymonero brings up the wallet, it will show the balance but no transactions, and you will have two choices:
Import transactions
Pay a small fee to import all the previous transactions for this account (you can always find this later in Account > Import Wallet)
Don't import transactions
You can send and receive coins from your account, but you won't be able to see or spend any transactions you have received before now

My question:  
Let's say you choose Don't import transactions, because it's a brand new wallet you just created, and there are no transactions yet to import.
You log out of mymonero.com.  You start sending moneroj to the address.
When you next log in to mymonero.com, does it show the transactions?
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 10:08:51 AM
Rootstock. CoinJoin. Being a Bitcoin Maximalist takes some stretching. Undecided

Rootstock actually seems like Ethereum Done Right to me.  The extra protocol is not an impediment for smart contracts, in my view.  The one caveat in my mind is whether Lukejr decides to destroy it with a merge-mining attack. Merge-mining is...I don't even...

Usability factors are prominent for currency fungibility, however.  Coinjoin is just buckets of fail.  You have to be very motivated, but then why would you expose yourself like that?
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February 25, 2016, 09:22:07 AM
XMR is the best anon currently available! Buying a ton of it a little birdy told me she's pumping next month. Think it'll get to 1000 BTC per XMR.


Apparently you are setting boundaries to the upside. Please bear in the mind the community is not selling in the need of money but helping the people outside of M8nero community to get at least a tiny share of the digital gold.

If XMR hit USD 400000 each I can assure you I will be a seller.

You are selling too early then - especially if you are planning to exit completely at 400 000 usd.

i would be totally comfortable knowing i sold too early at that point.

i could easily run more than seven failing presidential campaigns from my own pocket and still manage OD on coke Cheesy

by the seventh failure id be at retirement age, so naturally id collect social security or something.
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 09:11:00 AM
XMR is the best anon currently available! Buying a ton of it a little birdy told me she's pumping next month. Think it'll get to 1000 BTC per XMR.


Apparently you are setting boundaries to the upside. Please bear in the mind the community is not selling in the need of money but helping the people outside of M8nero community to get at least a tiny share of the digital gold.

If XMR hit USD 400000 each I can assure you I will be a seller.

You are selling too early then - especially if you are planning to exit completely at 400 000 usd.
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February 25, 2016, 07:08:09 AM
Just seen the attendance list for this weekend's Satoshi Roundtable.

Good luck fluffypony - aka Riccardo Spagni. Smiley

Code:
Confirmed 2016 Participants include (in alphabetical order):

Brian Armstrong, CEO, Coinbase
Evan Duffield, Founder/Lead Scientist, Dash
Marshall Long, CTO, Final Hash

The phrase "wretched hive of scum and villainy" comes to mind.

What if Evan caught something communicable from that stripper in Miami?   Embarrassed

I'd rather our dear pony stay home, drink wine, and code.  Or Netflix, dog, wife, and chill.

Let's not leave out:

Code:
Confirmed 2016 Participants include (in alphabetical order):

Roger Ver, CEO, Memory Dealers / Bitcoin.com

Disclaimer: Bitcoin.com is not affiliated with any of the above-mentioned businesses
The publication Wired details that investors such as Naval Ravikant and the Digital Currency Group’s Barry Silbert have invested over $700,000 USD into the startup.
Those investors include Naval Ravikant, an investor in Twitter and Uber, Barry Silbert, the founder of startup equity-trading platform SecondMarket, and Roger Ver, a staunch libertarian who’s invested in bitcoin startups Blockchain.info and Bitpay


Why forget ?  Lips sealed

Code:
Zooko Wilcox, CEO, Z Cash


legendary
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February 25, 2016, 06:20:31 AM
XMR is the best anon currently available! Buying a ton of it a little birdy told me she's pumping next month. Think it'll get to 1000 BTC per XMR.


Apparently you are setting boundaries to the upside. Please bear in the mind the community is not selling in the need of money but helping the people outside of M8nero community to get at least a tiny share of the digital gold.

If XMR hit USD 400000 each I can assure you I will be a seller.

Think of all the coins that would be lost forever when their owners overdose on coke. Self-reinforcing scarcity.


Or those who lost them in a boat accident! Which could coincide with coke & hookers.



because the webwallet can be monitored (probably) by the hosts and therefore frozen in case of emergency like some kind of governement interference.

MyMonero coins can't be frozen because if MyMonero refuses to let you use them (or shuts down), you can import your private keys (via the seed) to another wallet.

Coins that are deposited on a centralized exchange can be frozen.


Any chance to have this functionality in the GUI?  It would make things ultra easy.

There is some issue with merging the MyMonero seed import code that I don't understand, but code exists on github, available to be used in an emergency.

However, a readily available workaround is to create a wallet with simplewallet first, then use the same seed on MyMonero. At that point you have a wallet that can directly accessed with both methods (MyMonero for convenience, simplewallet or another wallet if necessary). I'm sure this method will work with the GUI as well.

I think the offline paper wallet generator (URL?) can also be used to create a fully portable wallet.


URL here:

https://moneroaddress.org/

Which is simply a port of:

https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator

Finally, the seed is compatible with both MyMonero and simplewallet.



Speculation wise, we double topped at the local high of ~210k. Therefore, a retrace was expected and happened (someone dumped 30k). It is likely though that we make another run for it, because it isn't such a strong resistance point. Furthermore, I think the wall guy splitted up his 100k and put them in the asks at various places for now.
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 05:07:12 AM
Let's not leave out:

Code:
Confirmed 2016 Participants include (in alphabetical order):

Roger Ver, CEO, Memory Dealers / Bitcoin.com

Disclaimer: Bitcoin.com is not affiliated with any of the above-mentioned businesses
The publication Wired details that investors such as Naval Ravikant and the Digital Currency Group’s Barry Silbert have invested over $700,000 USD into the startup.
Those investors include Naval Ravikant, an investor in Twitter and Uber, Barry Silbert, the founder of startup equity-trading platform SecondMarket, and Roger Ver, a staunch libertarian who’s invested in bitcoin startups Blockchain.info and Bitpay

Bitcoin Judas was going to be on the list, but I excluded him due to positive past contributions.  There may be hope for Roger if he has a come-to-Satoshi moment.

Strongarm, Daftfield, and Marshmallong have only set us back with their wretched scumminess and villainy.
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