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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 161. (Read 3314316 times)

legendary
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May 10, 2019, 09:59:20 AM
Monero have like 2-3% of Bitcoins number of on chain transactions.  So price should be at least 0.02-0.03 BTC  To be safe double of that.
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
May 10, 2019, 09:58:45 AM
Another investment you can make is into crypto art.
How about my new funded XMR-giftcards? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-funded-025-xmr-monero-collectible-giftcard-feat-moonbits-22128-left-5140464


And to make this less of a shill post:
Yeah, XMR @ a little over 0.01 is quite juicy imho. Unless Bitcoin manages to implement similar (level1) privacy and fungiblity features (which seems less and less likely as time goes on), Monero will always have a place in the crypto space.
Personally I see it in the 10% range of BTC in the long run, but that's just me.

Nice looking work.

And you and I see this pretty much identically.  We are obviously in the stage of crypto that people are catching up with the idea that almost all alt coins are useless at best and most are scams.  There are a very few with utility and I think you have nailed the reason why Monero hangs around.  Some people like Howard Chu (lmdb/monero dev) think Bitcoin is flawed without layer 1 fungibility and Monero takes it's place.  Much respect to him, but I don't think so.. I think your idea is more right.  And 10% is a pretty good number.
legendary
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Disobey.
May 10, 2019, 07:34:34 AM
Another investment you can make is into crypto art.
How about my new funded XMR-giftcards? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-funded-025-xmr-monero-collectible-giftcard-feat-moonbits-22128-left-5140464



And to make this less of a shill post:
Yeah, XMR @ a little over 0.01 is quite juicy imho. Unless Bitcoin manages to implement similar (level1) privacy and fungiblity features (which seems less and less likely as time goes on), Monero will always have a place in the crypto space.
Personally I see it in the 10% range of BTC in the long run, but that's just me.
legendary
Activity: 3836
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
May 09, 2019, 09:56:44 PM
Yo, where can I short this shit!

Kraken I think?

Shit, H8 kraken and now polo. Running out of places to trade. Smiley

Does kraken take visa yet? I remember opening account there because they said they did and then it was disabled so I just never went back.

Just lost $1800 dirty fiat playing Omaha, shoulda bought M0ar. Smiley
legendary
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May 09, 2019, 09:53:21 PM
Yo, where can I short this shit!

Kraken I think?
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
May 09, 2019, 09:50:58 PM
Yo, where can I short this shit!
full member
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Merit: 146
May 09, 2019, 04:04:43 PM
Its getting very close to triggering a bid I’ve had for nearly two years. Its not my lowest bid, but its getting there.

I also had forgotten that my BTC/XMR split used to act as a kind of damper in 2017 to manage volatility. I’m pretty sure that when the BTC and Crypto bull run starts again $63 and 0.01 are gonna seem like very safe entry points. (IMHO)
sr. member
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BTC, ETH, XMR, LTC
May 09, 2019, 01:28:38 PM
Its no surprise that people in this thread remain optimistic about monero's future but I share a different sentiment.  Monero is a dying coin.  the hype is dying down, lots of new privacy projects will overtake the marketshare that xmr has managed to capture.  I would sell off for bitcoin if you are still holding any monero.

You sure you woudn't us rather sell it for BSV???

There is a certain smell I noticed when you pranced into the room. Smiley

I am quite sure he couldn't list more than 5 privacy oriented coins without looking at CMC. Smiley
And no chance he could elaborate in comparing them.
legendary
Activity: 3766
Merit: 5146
Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
May 08, 2019, 06:29:00 PM
Its no surprise that people in this thread remain optimistic about monero's future but I share a different sentiment.  Monero is a dying coin.  the hype is dying down, lots of new privacy projects will overtake the marketshare that xmr has managed to capture.  I would sell off for bitcoin if you are still holding any monero.

You sure you woudn't us rather sell it for BSV???

There is a certain smell I noticed when you pranced into the room. Smiley
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
May 08, 2019, 06:04:02 PM
Its no surprise that people in this thread remain optimistic about monero's future but I share a different sentiment.  Monero is a dying coin.  the hype is dying down, lots of new privacy projects will overtake the marketshare that xmr has managed to capture.  I would sell off for bitcoin if you are still holding any monero.

YAY, N00bs trolling preaching to sell while still possible!

BULLISH. Cheesy


I'm not just going to give out valuable knowledge that I had to research myself, if you are willing to put in the time and effort you can find those projects that go 100x-1000x yourself.


If you believe monero will continue to be the dominant privacy coin for years than good luck to you, I hope all of crypto succeeds but I am looking for the highest return on my investment.

I've seen too many top companies that were beaten out by newcomers.  Obviously xmr isn't a company but the point stands.


Once .01 btc price gets broken it is going to look real bad.

please don't take offence to my opinion, I dumped my xmr for btc when the ratio was much higher because I think its the right financial move.

So glad you came here to let us know your out!

Trying to get back in cheaper?

Good luck on that. Smiley
hero member
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May 08, 2019, 05:35:55 PM
I'm not just going to give out valuable knowledge that I had to research myself, if you are willing to put in the time and effort you can find those projects that go 100x-1000x yourself.


If you believe monero will continue to be the dominant privacy coin for years than good luck to you, I hope all of crypto succeeds but I am looking for the highest return on my investment.

I've seen too many top companies that were beaten out by newcomers.  Obviously xmr isn't a company but the point stands.


Once .01 btc price gets broken it is going to look real bad.

please don't take offence to my opinion, I dumped my xmr for btc when the ratio was much higher because I think its the right financial move.
legendary
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Merit: 1118
May 08, 2019, 05:33:54 PM
Its no surprise that people in this thread remain optimistic about monero's future but I share a different sentiment.  Monero is a dying coin.  the hype is dying down, lots of new privacy projects will overtake the marketshare that xmr has managed to capture.  I would sell off for bitcoin if you are still holding any monero.
It would be nice, if any of you would actually name a new better privacy coin. But you never do. And there is a good reason why there always no examples.

Its ignorant to think nothing will ever come and topple Monero.  Maybe if you actually were knowledgeable about new projects you wouldn't be so confident about Monero's dominance.  Don't get wrong its still a solid coin for the next year or so but its not something I want to be in long term.

Thanks for sharing your examples of better options.
hero member
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May 08, 2019, 05:24:47 PM
Its no surprise that people in this thread remain optimistic about monero's future but I share a different sentiment.  Monero is a dying coin.  the hype is dying down, lots of new privacy projects will overtake the marketshare that xmr has managed to capture.  I would sell off for bitcoin if you are still holding any monero.
It would be nice, if any of you would actually name a new better privacy coin. But you never do. And there is a good reason why there always no examples.

Its ignorant to think nothing will ever come and topple Monero.  Maybe if you actually were knowledgeable about new projects you wouldn't be so confident about Monero's dominance.  Don't get wrong its still a solid coin for the next year or so but its not something I want to be in long term.
full member
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PRIVATE AND NOT PREMINED: MONERO, AEON, KARBO
May 08, 2019, 05:17:22 PM
Its no surprise that people in this thread remain optimistic about monero's future but I share a different sentiment.  Monero is a dying coin.  the hype is dying down, lots of new privacy projects will overtake the marketshare that xmr has managed to capture.  I would sell off for bitcoin if you are still holding any monero.
It would be nice, if any of you would actually name a new better privacy coin. But you never do. And there is a good reason why there always no examples.
jr. member
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May 08, 2019, 05:11:13 PM
Its no surprise that people in this thread remain optimistic about monero's future but I share a different sentiment.  Monero is a dying coin.  the hype is dying down, lots of new privacy projects will overtake the marketshare that xmr has managed to capture.  I would sell off for bitcoin if you are still holding any monero.
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
May 08, 2019, 02:37:17 PM
Is it still "too soon" to start hoping for a post exchange theft XMR boost?

Wouldn't be the first time. Smiley
legendary
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May 07, 2019, 01:28:28 PM
From what I understand of mimblewimble is there are no records kept

There are no records kept in the *blockchain*. But every full node receives all the intermittent states of each transaction, and there is nothing stopping them from logging that information. It requires some credulity to think there are no interested parties who have logged Grin from the genesis block.

A self-pruning blockchain does not equate to a fungible blockchain.
Exactly! That's my understanding too. With some full nodes running you can store/trace transactions the same way as Bitcoin blockchain. Grin is not fungible/privacy coin.

Same as Bitcoin is a bit unfair. Bitcoin has frequent address reuse and visible amounts, both of which make blockchain analysis easier and more effective.

Grin is somewhere in between Bitcoin and Monero in terms of privacy.
legendary
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May 07, 2019, 09:31:57 AM
From what I understand of mimblewimble is there are no records kept

There are no records kept in the *blockchain*. But every full node receives all the intermittent states of each transaction, and there is nothing stopping them from logging that information. It requires some credulity to think there are no interested parties who have logged Grin from the genesis block.

A self-pruning blockchain does not equate to a fungible blockchain.
Exactly! That's my understanding too. With some full nodes running you can store/trace transactions the same way as Bitcoin blockchain. Grin is not fungible/privacy coin.

Do you have a link that supports your assertion that Grin Full Nodes do indeed (by default?) keep this information?

BTW what about the other MW clones?

It doesn't matter if it's collected by default, am interested party can record the entire history of the network. I think they all/both operate essentially the same, re: beam et al.
legendary
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Merit: 4969
Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
May 07, 2019, 09:17:12 AM
From what I understand of mimblewimble is there are no records kept

There are no records kept in the *blockchain*. But every full node receives all the intermittent states of each transaction, and there is nothing stopping them from logging that information. It requires some credulity to think there are no interested parties who have logged Grin from the genesis block.

A self-pruning blockchain does not equate to a fungible blockchain.
Exactly! That's my understanding too. With some full nodes running you can store/trace transactions the same way as Bitcoin blockchain. Grin is not fungible/privacy coin.

Do you have a link that supports your assertion that Grin Full Nodes do indeed (by default?) keep this information?

BTW what about the other MW clones?
legendary
Activity: 3836
Merit: 4969
Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
May 07, 2019, 09:11:59 AM
From what I understand of mimblewimble is there are no records kept

There are no records kept in the *blockchain*. But every full node receives all the intermittent states of each transaction, and there is nothing stopping them from logging that information. It requires some credulity to think there are no interested parties who have logged Grin from the genesis block.

A self-pruning blockchain does not equate to a fungible blockchain.

Thank you Joroz for pointing that out.

So although at any point in time a MW chain would be forensically impossible to analyze it can be assumed that that information (that is not stored in the chain but is accessible and collectable at the time of a transaction) has already been cached by TPTB and I'm sure any others wishing to sell that info in the future.

Is that safe to say?
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