[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1633.

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Quote from: XMRpromotions on November 25, 2015, 07:12:22 PM

Quote from: smoothie on November 25, 2015, 06:52:56 PM

Quote from: Shrikez on November 25, 2015, 04:53:56 AM

Has this been posted already? If so, I apologize.

You can now donate Monero to the I2P.

I'll send a humble sum to support their decision.

Their link to monero goes to getmonero.com

Which is a dead link.

Shouldn't it be getmonero.org?

Can someone contact them?

I can't am away for the balance of the day.

I sent a Tweet to the person who I believe was in charge of adding Monero to that page. I am confident they will fix it soon

https://twitter.com/XMRpromotions/status/669666613793177600

Update:
@XMRpromotions @i2p @hottuna_i2p @echeloni2p I updated the link and it should be live soon.
https://twitter.com/KillYourTV_I2P/status/671317363460034560

aminorex

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This is the boring part. Pretty much everything I want to buy is likely to continue to decline for a while, so I wait.

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Quote from: luigi1111 on November 28, 2015, 06:03:04 PM

Quote from: smooth on November 28, 2015, 03:07:18 PM

Quote from: dadj on November 28, 2015, 03:02:35 PM

Quote from: Hunyadi on November 28, 2015, 02:56:38 PM

Thank you for the answers guys! So, BIP 47 just makes blockchain analyzers work a bit more difficult. Is it that we have to have both - unlinkability and untraceability - to be anonymous? I mean, why? Grin

Honestly, I don't understand this.

I think unlinkability is not being able to link past payments, whereas untracability is not being able to to trace future payments. Please someone correct me if that's wrong though.

That is part of it yes. Without untracability anyone you pay can follow the trail back and unambiguously identify your other associated transactions (including those that paid you). Without unlinkability once you pay someone you can see other payments (past or future) to the same recipient. The other aspect of it is that a third party can see both of these types of connections, which are the building blocks of blockchain analysis.

"To be anonymous" is a bit vague since it means different things in different contexts. If you want a coin where the chain is hard to analyze and in doing so identify people with transactions, then you want to break both sorts of links described above. Hiding amounts is helpful too.

I like to compare it to, say, mailing cash to someone. Even though the sender knows your address, he can't see what, if any, other payments you have received (ditto for an outside observer). That's unlinkability. No one except you and the sender can tell what amount was sent (confidential transactions).

Finally, assume no return label: even you the recipient has no idea where the cash came (much less an observer). That's untraceability.

The analogy somewhat holds for an in person exchange as well, but it's much harder to be first hop anonymous in that case.

Now it makes sense! Thank you very much for these explanations.

dEBRUYNE

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Funding required for XMR pool infrastructure overhaul (done by Wolf0):

https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/2412/xmr-pool-infrastructure-overhaul?sort=date_desc

PS: Even if you don't have an account you are able to contribute, just press the contribute button and it will explain how to donate.

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Quote from: jehst on November 29, 2015, 03:49:23 AM

Quote from: Szaja1990 on November 29, 2015, 03:38:22 AM

i Think its perfect time to buy

.0009 would be a great triple bottom.

Since Bitcoin keeps mooning, we are likely to see that for an Altcoin next days.

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21 million. I want them all.

Quote from: Szaja1990 on November 29, 2015, 03:38:22 AM

i Think its perfect time to buy

.0009 would be a great triple bottom.

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i Think its perfect time to buy

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Quote from: smooth on November 28, 2015, 03:07:18 PM

Quote from: dadj on November 28, 2015, 03:02:35 PM

Quote from: Hunyadi on November 28, 2015, 02:56:38 PM

Thank you for the answers guys! So, BIP 47 just makes blockchain analyzers work a bit more difficult. Is it that we have to have both - unlinkability and untraceability - to be anonymous? I mean, why? Grin

Honestly, I don't understand this.

I think unlinkability is not being able to link past payments, whereas untracability is not being able to to trace future payments. Please someone correct me if that's wrong though.

That is part of it yes. Without untracability anyone you pay can follow the trail back and unambiguously identify your other associated transactions (including those that paid you). Without unlinkability once you pay someone you can see other payments (past or future) to the same recipient. The other aspect of it is that a third party can see both of these types of connections, which are the building blocks of blockchain analysis.

"To be anonymous" is a bit vague since it means different things in different contexts. If you want a coin where the chain is hard to analyze and in doing so identify people with transactions, then you want to break both sorts of links described above. Hiding amounts is helpful too.

I like to compare it to, say, mailing cash to someone. Even though the sender knows your address, he can't see what, if any, other payments you have received (ditto for an outside observer). That's unlinkability. No one except you and the sender can tell what amount was sent (confidential transactions).

Finally, assume no return label: even you the recipient has no idea where the cash came (much less an observer). That's untraceability.

The analogy somewhat holds for an in person exchange as well, but it's much harder to be first hop anonymous in that case.

smooth

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Quote from: dadj on November 28, 2015, 03:02:35 PM

Quote from: Hunyadi on November 28, 2015, 02:56:38 PM

Thank you for the answers guys! So, BIP 47 just makes blockchain analyzers work a bit more difficult. Is it that we have to have both - unlinkability and untraceability - to be anonymous? I mean, why? Grin

Honestly, I don't understand this.

I think unlinkability is not being able to link past payments, whereas untracability is not being able to to trace future payments. Please someone correct me if that's wrong though.

That is part of it yes. Without untracability anyone you pay can follow the trail back and unambiguously identify your other associated transactions (including those that paid you). Without unlinkability once you pay someone you can see other payments (past or future) to the same recipient. The other aspect of it is that a third party can see both of these types of connections, which are the building blocks of blockchain analysis.

"To be anonymous" is a bit vague since it means different things in different contexts. If you want a coin where the chain is hard to analyze and in doing so identify people with transactions, then you want to break both sorts of links described above. Hiding amounts is helpful too.

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Quote from: Hunyadi on November 28, 2015, 02:56:38 PM

Thank you for the answers guys! So, BIP 47 just makes blockchain analyzers work a bit more difficult. Is it that we have to have both - unlinkability and untraceability - to be anonymous? I mean, why? Grin

Honestly, I don't understand this.

I think unlinkability is not being able to link past payments, whereas untracability is not being able to to trace future payments. Please someone correct me if that's wrong though.

Hunyadi

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Thank you for the answers guys! So, BIP 47 just makes blockchain analyzers work a bit more difficult. Is it that we have to have both - unlinkability and untraceability - to be anonymous? I mean, why? Grin

Honestly, I don't understand this.

smooth

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Quote from: Hunyadi on November 28, 2015, 01:02:56 PM

What do you guys think of BIP 47 and its reusable payment codes. If I understood correctly, that makes using bitcoin more or less anonymous. Isn't this the biggest thread to monero?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3alzga/bip47_reusable_payment_codes/

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Payment codes are a technique for creating permanent Bitcoin addresses that can be reused and publicly associated with a real-life identity without creating a loss of financial privacy.
They are similar to stealth addresses, but involve a different set of trade-offs and features that may make them more practical.

Provides only unlinkability not untraceability. This results in no greater privacy than you would have by just not reusing addresses in Bitcoin, and by itself isn't very effective.

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Quote from: Hunyadi on November 28, 2015, 01:02:56 PM

What do you guys think of BIP 47 and its reusable payment codes. If I understood correctly, that makes using bitcoin more or less anonymous. Isn't this the biggest thread to monero?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3alzga/bip47_reusable_payment_codes/

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Payment codes are a technique for creating permanent Bitcoin addresses that can be reused and publicly associated with a real-life identity without creating a loss of financial privacy.
They are similar to stealth addresses, but involve a different set of trade-offs and features that may make them more practical.

i'm no expert, and I definitely don't understand the proposal, but assuming those that made comments actually understood the proposal, then I'm assuming the standard refrain will be invoked - if it aint in the base layer, then it aint gonna do any good. Add on top of that the amount of effort required as suggested by

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3alzga/bip47_reusable_payment_codes/csesun8

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Of course, how are you going to convince people to spend their money on such a thing? You'd have to have an interface that allows people to allocate a certain amount (with at least a default amount that is obviously trivial) to the purpose of "enhanced privacy", with a warning that allocating less to such a purpose damages their privacy.
Basically, it takes work to make privacy, and people don't like to work.

but im sure eventually someone more learned will come along with some better comments.

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What do you guys think of BIP 47 and its reusable payment codes. If I understood correctly, that makes using bitcoin more or less anonymous. Isn't this the biggest thread to monero?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3alzga/bip47_reusable_payment_codes/

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Payment codes are a technique for creating permanent Bitcoin addresses that can be reused and publicly associated with a real-life identity without creating a loss of financial privacy.
They are similar to stealth addresses, but involve a different set of trade-offs and features that may make them more practical.

dEBRUYNE

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In case anyone missed it, a few updates from Shen Noether regarding Confidential Transactions (CT) for Monero:

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Edit 11/21/2015: things are slowly coming together - MLSAG's have been coded in python (https://github.com/ShenNoether/MiniNero/blob/master/MLSAG.py) and then I need to get the RingCT code using these rather than the LWW sigs. After this I should be able to finish the size analysis in the paper and then hopefully get a really cleaned up copy available.

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edit 11/27/2015: demo version of RingCT using the MLSAG's is coded - next up is implementing 1. Diffie helman passing of masks and 2. implement a short representation of amounts

Most recent version:

https://www.overleaf.com/read/qzgytbyyxvyf

dEBRUYNE

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Interesting article -> http://www.firstpost.com/business/true-financial-privacy-doesnt-exist-for-businesses-operating-on-bitcoin-blockchain-analyst-2523680.html

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Quote from: dloghwak on November 27, 2015, 03:56:46 PM

Quote from: Quicken on November 27, 2015, 07:34:59 AM

Quote from: Spoetnik on November 27, 2015, 02:15:43 AM

THE TIME IS NOW !

These centralized exchanges just don't work.
I don't mean in some philosophical kind of way either.. i mean they are broken.
Trying sending coins.. cross your fingers Wink

Wait, you're posting in the Monero Speculation thread now? Who are you and what have you done with Spoetnik?

Posting totally offtopic garbage. Probably just wants this thread get deleted for too many offtopic content.

He didn't do a good job since discussing the risks of centralized exchanges is certainly on topic.

Anyway, let's not clutter up the thread discussing Spoetnik and his antics, that is off topic.

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Quote from: Quicken on November 27, 2015, 07:34:59 AM

Quote from: Spoetnik on November 27, 2015, 02:15:43 AM

THE TIME IS NOW !

These centralized exchanges just don't work.
I don't mean in some philosophical kind of way either.. i mean they are broken.
Trying sending coins.. cross your fingers Wink

Wait, you're posting in the Monero Speculation thread now? Who are you and what have you done with Spoetnik?

Posting totally offtopic garbage. Probably just wants this thread get deleted for too many offtopic content.

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Quote from: Spoetnik on November 27, 2015, 02:15:43 AM

THE TIME IS NOW !

These centralized exchanges just don't work.
I don't mean in some philosophical kind of way either.. i mean they are broken.
Trying sending coins.. cross your fingers Wink

Wait, you're posting in the Monero Speculation thread now? Who are you and what have you done with Spoetnik?

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Quote from: Spoetnik on November 27, 2015, 02:15:43 AM

Quote from: LucyLovesCrypto on October 12, 2015, 10:29:52 PM

Quote from: Spoetnik on October 12, 2015, 10:15:38 PM

i heard about Gox the main problem was they ran a custom back end wallet which was problematic
and eventually they started fudging the books toying with things then when guys got spooked
they didn't have the capital to pay out so many withdrawls and eventually Mark threw a story out about hackers
when in reality he had the coins and knew exactly what the problem was..
NOTE: He had his lawyer admit he found something like 200,000 Bitcoins or something on a USB drive he said he "found in his couch"
AFTER he claimed hackers stole the coins (back around when Gox closed)

cryptsy ?
i think they have had similar problems over the last few years.. i have seen many times that BTC withdrawls will
end up frozen on people when it rocketed up in price.. this got so notorious before i started predicting it..
i would pull my coins out then tell others and then say i told you so afterwards.
i have also seen other fishy account freezing going on before..
what happened only they know but many warning signs point to them not being as honest as they claim to be
I stopped using them and never went back when i was fed some bs excuses when my coins vanished before while i was arb'ing
as soon as some coin exploded in value.. bam ! transfer problems and when i asked i was told their was a fork
and i went to every other exchange and all the other users and not 1 person on the internet so much as hinted at a fork..
BitJohn lied to me i think on Cryptsy chat about it and only after i badgered him about it..
I was on chat for hours and every once in a while i would ask if anyone else was waiting for coins too.. (they were ignoring me on chat playing dumb)
Eventually i was threatened to shut up about it or i'd be booted (they wanted the problem to be quiet)
I am certain they were simply freezing access to peoples coins so they could take advantage of the pump on the coin
by doing their own arb'ing.. with MY coins !
I came here and complained about it and said hey Cryptsy.. that is OUR money not yours your holding
Don't you god damn ever forget that !
so.. i left and i never did trust them and i have seen them pull a lot of shady sketchy shit over the years.
Holding large amounts of coins on there is very dumb i figure.

I cant wait for true decentralized blockchain based exchanges with liquidity. The have been far too many hacks at various exchanges to trust them with a large amount.

THE TIME IS NOW !

These centralized exchanges just don't work.
I don't mean in some philosophical kind of way either.. i mean they are broken.
Trying sending coins.. cross your fingers Wink

This exchange did something fishy during vertcoin pump

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/beware-of-cryptsy-manipulating-new-coins-vertcoin-screwjob-449762

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