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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1675. (Read 3313576 times)

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October 26, 2015, 11:04:28 AM

the smallest unit should imho be called "monereto" or the short version "eto", plural "etoj".
It means "part". 1012 moneretoj (monero parts / small coins) in 1 monero

 
 
I humbly disagree.  'Eta' and 'eto' may be possible for the masses to adopt, but adding "j" for plurals or other multi-syllable weirdness isn't going to get picked up and spread. 
 
Remember, as inaccurate and infuriating as it was, the simple term 'bits' for a millionth of a bitcoin has won the war of sub-units.  The term 'Satoshi' might carry history, but no average user is going to refer to a sub-unit with three exotic syllables vs. a simple one-syllable word they are already familiar with. 
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October 26, 2015, 10:46:19 AM
1/10^6 moneroj is already coined "monereto".
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October 26, 2015, 10:17:52 AM
If you have an opinion on the matter, we just had a topic on Reddit discussing what to eventually call Monero atomic units on Reddit.  (Yes, it's a conversation we've had before, and will have again).  
  
My favorite is a combination of the most popular suggestions, a millionth of a Monero being called a nero, and a millionth of a nero being called an eta.  
  
Check out the topic if you like: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3q21yx/its_time_to_argue_about_what_atomic_units_of/

I like nero, but am not sold on eta yet.

They should be in esperanto.   eta is great .....  nero  less so.   how about  iom ( little)

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the smallest unit should imho be called "monereto" or the short version "eto", plural "etoj".
It means "part". 10^12 moneretoj (monero parts / small coins) in 1 monero

other fun esperanto words related to monero can be found here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3exy7t/esperanto_corner
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October 26, 2015, 09:14:11 AM
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Try telling some 2nd/3rd world kid (whether an orphan or just Not Rich) that he should avoid a first world education even if offered one, because it "sucks."

They have been instrumental of giving me this knowledge. Otherwise I would be blind just as you. Ever visited India and made friends with the people there? Or any other country in another continent?

Blind?  I can quite clearly see you've not responded to any of my points about Bitcoin and its antecedents/decendents promulgating primarily from individuals educated, and research performed, at "famous universities."

I can easily go to Mexico (or Florida) if I wanted to meet kids who'd love and benefit greatly from a first world education.

But I'd love to visit India.  I'm sure I'll have a blast making friends there, just like every other country on every other continent I've visited.

Believe it or not, but (like most Monero Mustangs) my strongly held crazy opinions, frankness, and humor make me a fun person to party with.   Wink
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October 26, 2015, 09:10:18 AM
You will initially be swimming in heaven, but eventually your brain will adjust, and you will find yourself feeling more or less how you feel right now.  What you are really craving can't be bought on the street... It has to be earned though participating in the advancement of civilization itself.  
  
How much would you pay to know the real truth about the universe and reality? (To the extent of a human's ability to comprehend)?  
  
How much would you pay for enhanced implants that will advance you beyond even the genius of our greatest members?  
  
How much do you think another year of life is worth to a man on his deathbed from terminal cancer?  
  
What about immortality itself?  
  
Non-existence is coming for us all, whether we shield our eyes from its gaze with a hooker's thighs or not.   Wink

Hear, hear !  I just hope shit advances fast enough.  So far investment in real life extension technology has been paltry (I am not talking about "Vitamin X, Y and Z will make you live forever" or "we are looking to knock out gene X or Y for life extension", but a real, more complicated approach [best proposal I have seen so far has been SENS]), but lately there are big guns getting into the space, which makes me a bit more hopeful.  These things take (a lot of) time, so we better get cracking fast.

About the intelligence enhancement: I would also be interested in something like that, but I doubt that enhancement in itself will make you happy.  To quote a famous author "You will initially be swimming in heaven, but eventually your brain will adjust, and you will find yourself feeling more or less how you feel right now"  Wink . I haven't thought about this a lot though, so I might be wrong.
Maybe we'll figure out a way to separate enjoyment/feeling good and behavioral/learning effects, so that we can live very happily by some sort of stimulation without becoming stupid/asocial/behaviorally simple/repetitive and/or unmotivated (think happy drugs without side-effects).  I could go for a future in which I can live on indefinitely, happy, and with increased intelligence and awareness.
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October 26, 2015, 08:07:52 AM
I would say you is in "quotation marks" because your identity is a construct of whatever your brain's configuration is at any moment in time--do I get a prize if my answer is correct?

I suppose that is a piece of the puzzle.

Thank you smooth for you indulgence.  I believe icebreaker started an off topic thread a while ago that either went nowhere or was deleted by the powers.

Just missed one of my bids that is above 132.  This feels like the bottom although as I've said before I am clueless.  These bids are for the furnishings of my Monero house and could be used for a prize although the best prizes are knowledge and understanding.

Time to do a bit of work while I wait for my bids to be filled.  Thank you all for being here.
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October 26, 2015, 07:08:23 AM
looks like the monero boys are smokin' good herb this week .... nice!

I'm calling 0.001333 as the bottom for this cycle

Damn my lowest bid is 132

Ok back on topic,

Live forever?  Remember the only reason "you" are here is because people, actually all life, dies.  It seems even the universe will as well.  Bonus question, why is you in quotes.

Rich?  I have never missed a meal in my life except by choice.  I have spent 61 days, 16 hours and 38 minutes logged into BCT.  I have a cat on my lap as I write this and I am at work.

I have not been able to smoke good herb for 13 years.

I would say you is in "quotation marks" because your identity is a construct of whatever your brain's configuration is at any moment in time--do I get a prize if my answer is correct?
legendary
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October 26, 2015, 07:02:29 AM
looks like the monero boys are smokin' good herb this week .... nice!

I'm calling 0.001333 as the bottom for this cycle

Damn my lowest bid is 132

Ok back on topic,

Live forever?  Remember the only reason "you" are here is because people, actually all life, dies.  It seems even the universe will as well.  Bonus question, why is you in quotes.

Rich?  I have never missed a meal in my life except by choice.  I have spent 61 days, 16 hours and 38 minutes logged into BCT.  I have a cat on my lap as I write this and I am at work.

I have not been able to smoke good herb for 13 years.
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October 26, 2015, 05:27:59 AM
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Try telling some 2nd/3rd world kid (whether an orphan or just Not Rich) that he should avoid a first world education even if offered one, because it "sucks."

They have been instrumental of giving me this knowledge. Otherwise I would be blind just as you. Ever visited India and made friends with the people there? Or any other country in another continent?
legendary
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October 26, 2015, 04:15:09 AM
What is needed at this moment in human development is targetted charity.  This is where I came up with my idea of a gifted and talented orphanage.  Being an orphan that grew up in one of the worst educational systems and worst poverty America has to offer, I understand all too well the frustration behind being a sharp and curious mind stuck in an unfortunate situation.  
  
I want to globally seek out children who display exceptional intelligence and abilities and give them chance to move to a first world country and be schooled in one of the finest educational systems possible.

First world education system sucks beyond repair Sad

Very few whom I know who really desire and can change the world have graduated from famous universities.

Nevertheless, me and Wife had an orphan child in India whom we fully supported from 2004 to almost present. She is a general practitioner candidate now, I think.


Oh wow, you sponsored an entire orphan?  That $60/month must have set you back at least 1% of your combined incomes (India is getting really expensive).

/charity shaming  Wink

Try telling some 2nd/3rd world kid (whether an orphan or just Not Rich) that he should avoid a first world education even if offered one, because it "sucks."

Many of the known principals behind Bitcoin, and the giants on whose shoulders they stand, "graduated from famous universities" (typically several times over).  And most of the pure research behind Bitcoin, and everything that led up to it, was done at "famous universities."

If you could stop biting the hand that feeds you (just because it's far from perfect), that would be great.

I wouldn't care otherwise, but it makes Monero look bad when you come across as an unglued hater, ranting 'zomgawd burn down the universities, what have they ever done for us!!1!' and 'Revelation 18:10! Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come" type stuff.

There are many good schools in the first world.  Yes, many of them suck, but they can be easily repaired given proper incentive structures, or even by removing the present mal-incentives, because demand for education is very inelastic.  People will pay as much as they can afford, often more, to get their kids schooled.  That demand will create its own supply, if we relent from the Deeply Captured prison-industrial complex model of public schools.

I'd bet a Bitcoin that Satoshi(s) graduated (or dropped out of) an excellent first world educational institution or two.  Or three.
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October 26, 2015, 03:11:33 AM
What is needed at this moment in human development is targetted charity.  This is where I came up with my idea of a gifted and talented orphanage.  Being an orphan that grew up in one of the worst educational systems and worst poverty America has to offer, I understand all too well the frustration behind being a sharp and curious mind stuck in an unfortunate situation.  
  
I want to globally seek out children who display exceptional intelligence and abilities and give them chance to move to a first world country and be schooled in one of the finest educational systems possible.

First world education system sucks beyond repair Sad

Very few whom I know who really desire and can change the world have graduated from famous universities.

Nevertheless, me and Wife had an orphan child in India whom we fully supported from 2004 to almost present. She is a general practitioner candidate now, I think.
legendary
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October 26, 2015, 03:09:19 AM

But why not sell 2% every 2x price gain, permanently divesting half the gains and putting the other 1% back into bids?


Wow.  This is actually a really good idea with built in bubble protection.  I might want to adjust the numbers a little but I really like the idea of selling some at various price levels and shoring up the bids with half of it.

But why half?  Because markets are random walks along Markoff Chains, and every price movement is a coin flip (up, down, or side)?

I'm sure there are many books on the subject, none of which I can be bothered to read, because thinking about why e = 2.71828 (and what that implies about economics) makes my head hurt.

So I'll use nice easy numbers, and keep the cognitive load low!   Smiley
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October 26, 2015, 02:40:42 AM

But why not sell 2% every 2x price gain, permanently divesting half the gains and putting the other 1% back into bids?


Wow.  This is actually a really good idea with built in bubble protection.  I might want to adjust the numbers a little but I really like the idea of selling some at various price levels and shoring up the bids with half of it.
legendary
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October 26, 2015, 02:31:23 AM
I actually like a modified form of Risto's plan, where every time the price goes up 10x you sell/trade 10% to increase the available supply and upgrade the quality of your life a little bit.  

As always, connecting our species, seeking out talented humans born in suboptimal conditions, building AI, space travel, SETI, NASA, etc all become priorities.

Heh, so many space-heads here.  When there are crypto-billionaries (besides Satoshi) the space gun/space ladder/asteroid mining/lunar colony/deep space observatory array stuff is going to get crazier than NASA on bath salts.

Speaking of mining in space...just wait until you can buy a space drone that uses solar power to mine Monero and Bitcoin!

Closer to the sun = more power but more attenuated bandwidth, so be sure to optimize share difficulty accordingly.   Cool

Szab0tron1, the ETH hypercomputer complex, will be on the dark side of Mercury, with power beamed in from multiple stations tethered to the Sun, using 100,000 mile long charged filaments that act as electrodes and essentially turn the star into a giant battery.

The revolution in (meta)material science required for the necessary high-temp superconductors, diamond nano-silk, etc. will be powered by the evolution of distributed computing, thanks to the ability of ecash to allow easy commodification of every Thing on the Internet.

Anyone have the link to where Risto showed us the work behind his optimum plan?  IIRC, a key selling point was convenience.

But why not sell 2% every 2x price gain, permanently divesting half the gains and putting the other 1% back into bids?

On an utterly unrelated note, where do I get a nice conservative trading bot for Polo?  It's...umm...for a friend.   Grin
legendary
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October 26, 2015, 01:34:44 AM
Sorry to have ruffled your feathers Monero fan boys.

It's one thing to come into a thread about Monero and advertise, using facts and logic, for another coin with similar features.

That's fine.  No ruffled feathers so far.

It's also fine to come into this thread and be wrong about something.

The problem is what you did, which was come into a Monero thread and advertise using incorrect facts and faulty logic.

That's why you got flamed, and deservedly so.

I guess it's time to head over to the [whatever your silly coin was called] thread and advertise Monero, using your embarrassing exchange with smooth as evidence that my coin is superior.   Wink

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October 26, 2015, 01:07:33 AM
looks like the monero boys are smokin' good herb this week .... nice!

I'm calling 0.001333 as the bottom for this cycle
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October 26, 2015, 12:57:01 AM

Perhaps you are religious.  If you didn't believe in an afterlife, would that change your decision at all?  What if we found conclusive proof that there was no afterlife (such as advanced aliens, or a miracle-working ultra advanced AI that assures you such a thing is not possible)

If too off topic then go ahead and delete, but what percentage of crypto users do you think are atheist? My guess is that the # is definitely higher than the general population.  

The Monero people I have seen on here seem more interested in math and science than the average crypto user so my guess is that there are more monero atheists for example than dash atheists who are known to easily follow cult leaders and their "instamine is a feature" preaching.
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October 26, 2015, 12:10:21 AM


Hence my "hopefully I will be dead." I can't see myself being anywhere near 200 years old and happy. If you guys want to be 200 years old, good luck and have fun.
 
  
Are you imagining that you will live to see 200 years old if they don't cure aging?  Do you think you would be some wrinkly old man?  
  
If you could stop aging at 25 years old and live as long as you wanted, would you?  If you aren't having a good time at around 90 years old, you're welcome to off yourself - your body will still be in its prime indefinitely, but it's your right not to exist if you get tired of it.  If you want to live a 'normal' amount of time, just live for 90 years until you would have been an old man, and then go to a hospital and ask to be put to sleep (I'm sure we'll have perfected the art by then).  It's still better than a 'normal' life; instead of slowly decaying for 60 years after turning 25, you'll instead live a century in the best possible shape.  
  
Of course, maybe you meet someone you fall madly in love with right at 85 years old... or we make a major and exciting breakthrough in technology you want to stick around and see.  Imagine the amount of wisdom you could accumulate in 800 years, and the things you could see and do.    
  
Either way, aging may eventually be solved.  It may eventually be your choice to let your body biologically rot (because that's what's ultimately happening, your organs slowly run down and your body makes enough cellular copying errors to kill you) or to choose to ascend to an immortal existence.  I know which one I would choose.  
  
Perhaps you are religious.  If you didn't believe in an afterlife, would that change your decision at all?  What if we found conclusive proof that there was no afterlife (such as advanced aliens, or a miracle-working ultra advanced AI that assures you such a thing is not possible)
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October 25, 2015, 10:53:04 PM
I would be impressed if you made it to 130 years old.

Good luck.

I plan to  live until I'm 100. That's a long time.

One thing I do not plan on being is alive and miserable.

Hence my "hopefully I will be dead." I can't see myself being anywhere near 200 years old and happy. If you guys want to be 200 years old, good luck and have fun.
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October 25, 2015, 10:48:41 PM
In 60 more years, hopefully I will be dead. Whether or not this BTC/XMR thing goes up is just a game.

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Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

I love cryptocurrency, guys, but I'm laying my treasure elsewhere.

Come on man you can live more than 60 more years even if you are 100 already. Eat right and exercise. I plan to live at least 200 years myself. My your Monero you can buy top notch doctors, and personal trainers.

I would be impressed if you made it to 130 years old.

Good luck.

I plan to  live until I'm 100. That's a long time.

One thing I do not plan on being is alive and miserable.
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