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legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
October 25, 2015, 05:34:42 PM
rabble rabble unfair distribution rabble rabble

So you are one of the "I missed the boat so therefore I hate it" types- Gotchya.

Where did you read that Monero won't explore other technologies when they get done with the core?

https://getmonero.org/design-goals/
My bad, it seems Monero has pivoted since I last researched the project. I haven't been around much the past couple years.

Perhaps you should do your research before shooting from the hip.  Wink
legendary
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October 25, 2015, 05:27:28 PM
  I would imagine in the future it would be silly to think that people did this merely to make a small profit, when they will then realize that they just went against everything they initially stood for in terms of getting away from government mandated currencies.

Because I am in it for the long term, I hope that when/if I one day spend my "eta" that I will do it directly.  I fully expect that I will never 'sell' up to 50% of the Monero I acquire in these early stages.  I actually like a modified form of Risto's plan, where every time the price goes up 10x you sell/trade 10% to increase the available supply and upgrade the quality of your life a little bit. 
 
That might be for dollars, land, stock, etc.... Whatever is valuable at the time. 
 
Price hits $40: I sell 10% of what I acquired at under $1.  Perhaps I buy a new car, and a tv finally.  Wink
Price hits $400: I sell 10% and buy a house. 
$4000 Retire from my job and go full time Monero promotion, consulting, activist.  Sell 10% for travel and living expenses over the next several years. 
$40,000: Sell 10%.  Start a video game company (dream of my youth).
$400,000 Sell 10%.  Now comes major charity work such as the gifted and talent orphanage, plus humanist endeavors such as cryonics research (don't worry Hal, we ain't forgot about you) and AI work. 

$4,000,000: At this point we are among the richest people in the world, and personally I still hold 50% of the initial Monero I began with.  At these levels, 10% would be a ludicrous sum, and with it I could likely get elected to any public office would choose, start a new country, cover Montana in sour skittles, build a replica of The Labyrinth, etc etc.  This is where major contributions to humanity are possible.  Luxury is boring by this point and wealth of this magnitude is mainly used to decide how humanity will focus its attention and resources.  As always, connecting our species, seeking out talented humans born in suboptimal conditions, building AI, space travel, SETI, NASA, etc all become priorities.

 
I have already been toying with the idea of being more public in how much I own.  I feel this provides some trust due to the fact that I serve in a slightly official capacity.  Also, I hype the shit so much, it feels ethical to disclose that I am heavily invested.  As far as malicious actors down the road, they can fuck themselves.  You're welcome to look up how I handle a gun on YouTube, I don't negotiate with bad guys, and I fully believe in individual sovereignty.  There will be much easier marks out there, I guarantee it. 
 
I'm also considering some type of pledge... Like a pledge not to suddenly sell out of Monero for fiat during a bull market.  Us early adopters will hold a lot of wealth if Monero does what I think it will, and those who come later will be assured by a public promise that a certain percentage of our Monero wealth will always be held in trust.

Ok, I confess.  I've bumped up to 1MR for some additional caffeine.  I need to clean the house and stop yelling at Bitcoin talk and day dreaming.  I've got a girlfriend moving in next month, and she speaks Romanian so I told her a.) I'll have a clean house for her to arrive at and b.) imma put her to work translating Monero stuff into Romanian.  Romanians are a good people, and I told her she might be the woman who helps make it one of the richest nations in the world.  Cheesy

Haha, that's a pretty optimistic view point AP... but I like where your head is at, and the pledge you made to only sell out at these historical land marks (even though I believe the last two are a little too far fetched for my imagination Grin).  It seems that you've left out the initial $4.00 mark sell out phase though, but I would imagine you would still hold on to all of your XMR either way at that point.

But in all seriousness, I can't see a world that would value XMR up to $400,000+ for a coin... I mean there are people who value security and would end up putting a lot of money into monero for that specific purpose... but I don't see a world valuing a crypto that much for a secure everyday transaction.  I think in the future there will be a 1:1 ratio of bitcoin/XMR and another coin that offers quick transactions, so with that in mind there would have to be a spread of the wealth, depending on what people value at the time (privacy, transparency, or speed).
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
October 25, 2015, 05:22:46 PM
If you have an opinion on the matter, we just had a topic on Reddit discussing what to eventually call Monero atomic units on Reddit.  (Yes, it's a conversation we've had before, and will have again). 
 
My favorite is a combination of the most popular suggestions, a millionth of a Monero being called a nero, and a millionth of a nero being called an eta. 
 
Check out the topic if you like: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3q21yx/its_time_to_argue_about_what_atomic_units_of/

I like nero, but am not sold on eta yet.

Instead of eta call it MO. lol j/k
hero member
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October 25, 2015, 05:09:55 PM
 I would imagine in the future it would be silly to think that people did this merely to make a small profit, when they will then realize that they just went against everything they initially stood for in terms of getting away from government mandated currencies.

Because I am in it for the long term, I hope that when/if I one day spend my "eta" that I will do it directly.  I fully expect that I will never 'sell' up to 50% of the Monero I acquire in these early stages.  I actually like a modified form of Risto's plan, where every time the price goes up 10x you sell/trade 10% to increase the available supply and upgrade the quality of your life a little bit.  
  
That might be for dollars, land, stock, etc.... Whatever is valuable at the time.  
  
Price hits $40: I sell 10% of what I acquired at under $1.  Perhaps I buy a new car, and a tv finally.  Wink
Price hits $400: I sell 10% and buy a house.  
$4000 Retire from my job and go full time Monero promotion, consulting, activist.  Sell 10% for travel and living expenses over the next several years.  
$40,000: Sell 10%.  Start a video game company (dream of my youth).
$400,000 Sell 10%.  Now comes major charity work such as the gifted and talent orphanage, plus humanist endeavors such as cryonics research (don't worry Hal, we ain't forgot about you) and AI work.  

$4,000,000: At this point we are among the richest people in the world, and personally I still hold 50% of the initial Monero I began with.  At these levels, 10% would be a ludicrous sum, and with it I could likely get elected to any public office would choose, start a new country, cover Montana in sour skittles, build a replica of The Labyrinth, etc etc.  This is where major contributions to humanity are possible.  Luxury is boring by this point and wealth of this magnitude is mainly used to decide how humanity will focus its attention and resources.  As always, connecting our species, seeking out talented humans born in suboptimal conditions, building AI, space travel, SETI, NASA, etc all become priorities.

  
I have already been toying with the idea of being more public in how much I own.  I feel this provides some trust due to the fact that I serve in a slightly official capacity.  Also, I hype the shit so much, it feels ethical to disclose that I am heavily invested.  As far as malicious actors down the road, they can fuck themselves.  You're welcome to look up how I handle a gun on YouTube, I don't negotiate with bad guys, and I fully believe in individual sovereignty.  There will be much easier marks out there, I guarantee it.  
  
I'm also considering some type of pledge... Like a pledge not to suddenly sell out of Monero for fiat during a bull market.  Us early adopters will hold a lot of wealth if Monero does what I think it will, and those who come later will be assured by a public promise that a certain percentage of our Monero wealth will always be held in trust.

Ok, I confess.  I've bumped up to 1MR for some additional caffeine.  I need to clean the house and stop yelling at Bitcoin talk and day dreaming.  I've got a girlfriend moving in next month, and she speaks Romanian so I told her a.) I'll have a clean house for her to arrive at and b.) imma put her to work translating Monero stuff into Romanian.  Romanians are a good people, and I told her she might be the woman who helps make it one of the richest nations in the world.  Cheesy
sr. member
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October 25, 2015, 05:02:33 PM
You are right there are a lot of different arms of the Monero ecosystem and different on-ramps for development. We also have people making crowdfunding pitches. Right now that is somewhat centralized in the sense that it goes through a forum (though still decentralized in the sense that any developers and sponsors are eligible), but who knows in time that can perhaps be done in a more decentralized manner too.

In a lot of ways I feel that the sustainability of a project and its associated community matters more than it's current feature set. We all know every viable coin will be quite different in five years than today. Arguing about today's feature set and implementation is silly.


As always I feel you are right on the target smooth, we don't know what a cryptocurrency 5 or 10 years from now will need but we can agree that Bitcoin as coin and as project is inefficient and Monero has adopted a long term view complete with hardfork schedules and promissing goals to accommodate necessary and viable changes, also AEON might surprise us in the future.

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It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change. - Charles Darwin


Fortunately Monero is not only the best POW coin in existence but the one that shows most indications of built-in adaptability preserving core social contract, I think CT is the first proof of that Smiley
legendary
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October 25, 2015, 04:46:03 PM
rabble rabble unfair distribution rabble rabble

So you are one of the "I missed the boat so therefore I hate it" types- Gotchya.


No, there are certain qualities and constraints that define a fairly launched coin that can survive an initially worthless magic-token n-person pirate game where the tokens only have value if each successive player agrees they have value and convinces more to join the game. 
 
A pre-sale of any type causes the chances of success to plummet to abysmal levels. 
 
I promise you, if Monero had any sort of presale or IPO I would not be here, and I would be still backing Bitcoin, which I most certainly missed the boat on.

Honestly, I'm not really that concerned about "missing the boat" when it comes to acquiring cryptos to gain the most "profit" in terms of fiat... Sure it is always nice to acquire more coins when prices are really cheap, but it seems that people really miss out on the notion that getting these coins allows you to be one of the first to a brand new currency the world will need rather than want in the future... if you really believe that a coin is the best thing since sliced bread, then why would you really care about how much profit one will make when they cash back out to fiat.

Note: I'm not really talking to anyone directly by this post, I'm just stating that a majority of people who get into bitcoin or any other altcoin go in with a stock market mindset... and they will most certainly cash out if they reach the ROI they deem fit.  I would imagine in the future it would be silly to think that people did this merely to make a small profit, when they will then realize that they just went against everything they initially stood for in terms of getting away from government mandated currencies.
legendary
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October 25, 2015, 04:43:50 PM
rabble rabble unfair distribution rabble rabble

So you are one of the "I missed the boat so therefore I hate it" types- Gotchya.

Where did you read that Monero won't explore other technologies when they get done with the core?

https://getmonero.org/design-goals/
My bad, it seems Monero has pivoted since I last researched the project. I haven't been around much the past couple years.

Funny you say that, Monero has not been around for 2 years.

I almost forgot how many keyboard warriors Monero has. The validity of my statement still stands as I have been around occasionally during the past two years, hence the use of the word 'much' in my sentence. Since I have been around occasionally it would mean that I could be previously aware of the Monero project. I'm going to go do something else. Discussing semantics and defending Bitshares in a Monero thread is a waste of my time, as I am not invested in either. Smiley

Sorry to have ruffled your feathers Monero fan boys.

Thanks for coming out bud.
hero member
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October 25, 2015, 04:36:38 PM
Funny you say that, Monero has not been around for 2 years.  I think you stopped by for a quick afternoon Shill.

A cursory glance at his history shows a multi year agenda to pump bitshares and attack Monero... Unfortunately for him, math is not an opinion.
hero member
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October 25, 2015, 04:29:06 PM
rabble rabble unfair distribution rabble rabble

So you are one of the "I missed the boat so therefore I hate it" types- Gotchya.


No, there are certain qualities and constraints that define a fairly launched coin that can survive an initially worthless magic-token n-person pirate game where the tokens only have value if each successive player agrees they have value and convinces more to join the game.  
  
A pre-sale of any type causes the chances of success to plummet to abysmal levels.  
  
I promise you, if Monero had any sort of presale or IPO I would not be here, and I would be still backing Bitcoin, which I most certainly missed the boat on.
legendary
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In Cryptocoins I Trust
October 25, 2015, 04:28:44 PM
rabble rabble unfair distribution rabble rabble

So you are one of the "I missed the boat so therefore I hate it" types- Gotchya.

Where did you read that Monero won't explore other technologies when they get done with the core?

https://getmonero.org/design-goals/
My bad, it seems Monero has pivoted since I last researched the project. I haven't been around much the past couple years.

Funny you say that, Monero has not been around for 2 years.

I almost forgot how many keyboard warriors Monero has. The validity of my statement still stands as I have been around occasionally during the past two years, hence the use of the word 'much' in my sentence. Since I have been around occasionally it would mean that I could be previously aware of the Monero project. I'm going to go do something else. Discussing semantics and defending Bitshares in a Monero thread is a waste of my time, as I am not invested in either. Smiley

Sorry to have ruffled your feathers Monero fan boys.
legendary
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October 25, 2015, 04:21:16 PM
rabble rabble unfair distribution rabble rabble

So you are one of the "I missed the boat so therefore I hate it" types- Gotchya.

Where did you read that Monero won't explore other technologies when they get done with the core?

https://getmonero.org/design-goals/
My bad, it seems Monero has pivoted since I last researched the project. I haven't been around much the past couple years.

Funny you say that, Monero has not been around for 2 years.  I think you stopped by for a quick afternoon Shill.
legendary
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In Cryptocoins I Trust
October 25, 2015, 04:17:33 PM
rabble rabble unfair distribution rabble rabble

So you are one of the "I missed the boat so therefore I hate it" types- Gotchya.

Where did you read that Monero won't explore other technologies when they get done with the core?

https://getmonero.org/design-goals/
My bad, it seems Monero has pivoted since I last researched the project. I haven't been around much the past couple years.
legendary
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October 25, 2015, 04:11:35 PM
I would have to disagree with you about the bolded text above... we have monero developers here (Smooth) who are working on AEON as a test bed to test out different tactics of getting everyone interested in mining through a very decentralized platform that allows low hashing rates to effectively mine small amounts of coins...  At least that's what I think is going on, please correct me if I'm wrong Smooth.

You are right there are a lot of different arms of the Monero ecosystem and different on-ramps for development. We also have people making crowdfunding pitches. Right now that is somewhat centralized in the sense that it goes through a forum (though still decentralized in the sense that any developers and sponsors are eligible), but who knows in time that can perhaps be done in a more decentralized manner too.

In a lot of ways I feel that the sustainability of a project and its associated community matters more than it's current feature set. We all know every viable coin will be quite different in five years than today. Arguing about today's feature set and implementation is silly.

legendary
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October 25, 2015, 04:11:11 PM
Bitshares 2.0 is more anonymous than Monero with mandatory stealth addresses and an implementation of Confidential Transactions already live on the blockchain..... it seems less speculative than Monero's plans to implement their own version of Confidential Transactions.  Wink

CT plus stealth is not "more anonymous" than Monero. Mostly the two aren't comparable (both do something the other doesn't), although Monero is arguably somewhat more anonymous, as I will explain.

Privacy/anonymity consists of:

A. unlinkability (can't tell two transactions are to the same recipient): stealth (or just not reusing addresses)
B. untraceability (can't trace paths between tranasctions): ring signatures (or coinjoin, coinswap, though with many complications and hazards, etc.)
C. content privacy (can't see amount being spent): CT (or limited ambiguity of which outputs are change)

Bitshares with CT gives you A and C, but nothing at all for B. Monero gives you A and B, and somewhat C (via ambiguity of change outputs). Monero with ringCT will give A,B, and C, for a comprehensive solution.

Currently Monero lacks C though.

Not completely. It deliberately includes some extra coins in the transaction and then sends them back as change. You can't tell which outputs go to the recipient, so you can't identify the amount. Some sort of range or candidates can be inferred.

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I don't see how Bitshares 2.0 transactions are traceable since they do both A and C?

Neither A nor C address tracing at all. Every connection in the blockchain is still 100% visible.

Read what Greg Maxwell and Blockstream has written about transaction metadata, since they invented the thing. CT doesn't solve it.

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I'm not arguing that having A+B+C will be less anonymous than A+C, however I see A+C being more anonymous than A+B.

As I said they are not comparable. Neither is more anonymous than the other in any objective mathematical sense. You are entitled to your opinion as to qualitative superiority of course.

Thank you for the explanation and being more reasonable than the other Monero peeps. I guess I was wrong. Both seem pretty untraceable to me though. I think Monero will be a good option for privacy concerned people, especially after releasing its own version of Confidential Transactions.

I just can't see purely privacy focused coins as being a good investment. Nothing is stopping super DACs from adopting AB and C, but Monero seems uninterested in expanding into other avenues of decentralized development. It is the coins that embrace and implement many decentralized technologies and features that will rise above the rest IMO. I personally would choose the anon coin that did AB and C, along with encrypted messaging, decentralized market, etc..... before choosing a coin that only did AB and C, etc.

I am hypothesizing that the masses agree with me. Smiley

Where did you read that Monero won't explore other technologies when they get done with the core?

https://getmonero.org/design-goals/

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October 25, 2015, 04:10:19 PM
Bitshares has been one of the most innovative developments in the Cryptocoin world that actually had a public release. Don't dis it.  Angry

https://bitshares.org/technology/


Bitshares may be marginally less of a scheme/scam than every other altcoin out there but still fails spectacularly on certain tests of mining fairness.  As well, it's likely a lot of hard work went into it.  
  
That doesn't matter.  The free market and reality don't care that your distribution was only a little unfair, or how much work you put into it.  
  
If it wasn't a clean PoW mining situation from Genesis to present with no pre-sales, burns, 1:1 exchanges, swaps, hops, chops, or stops then it doesn't matter.  
  
n-person game theory doesn't give a shit, and you will not reach critical mass necessary to achieve exit velocity from the altcoin scene into the mainstream.  If you have no chance of reaching exit velocity you are peddling and playing a sell-to-the-greater-fool game where you stand a dangerous chance of being the greatest fool.  
  
As well the fact that (as the developers have pointed out) the technical features will fall short of Monero soon (and debatable fall short now) only ensures it's eventual collapse.  Do you know how finely honed of a bullshit detector I have after all these years immersing myself in it?  
  
Monero isn't perfect, but it passes the "launch fairness test" and is light years ahead of anything else here on the altcoin scene, and that includes Ethereum and Bitshares.  
  
If you can make money on bitshares, I don't fault you.  Just don't try to pretend you're not playing a greater fool game.  
  
And for the record, I drank my signature drink: a Vanilla Latte with two pumps of vanilla syrup and an extra shot of expresso.
legendary
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October 25, 2015, 04:09:16 PM
Bitshares 2.0 is more anonymous than Monero with mandatory stealth addresses and an implementation of Confidential Transactions already live on the blockchain..... it seems less speculative than Monero's plans to implement their own version of Confidential Transactions.  Wink

CT plus stealth is not "more anonymous" than Monero. Mostly the two aren't comparable (both do something the other doesn't), although Monero is arguably somewhat more anonymous, as I will explain.

Privacy/anonymity consists of:

A. unlinkability (can't tell two transactions are to the same recipient): stealth (or just not reusing addresses)
B. untraceability (can't trace paths between tranasctions): ring signatures (or coinjoin, coinswap, though with many complications and hazards, etc.)
C. content privacy (can't see amount being spent): CT (or limited ambiguity of which outputs are change)

Bitshares with CT gives you A and C, but nothing at all for B. Monero gives you A and B, and somewhat C (via ambiguity of change outputs). Monero with ringCT will give A,B, and C, for a comprehensive solution.

Currently Monero lacks C though.

Not completely. It deliberately includes some extra coins in the transaction and then sends them back as change. You can't tell which outputs go to the recipient, so you can't identify the amount. Some sort of range or candidates can be inferred.

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I don't see how Bitshares 2.0 transactions are traceable since they do both A and C?

Neither A nor C address tracing at all. Every connection in the blockchain is still 100% visible.

Read what Greg Maxwell and Blockstream has written about transaction metadata, since they invented the thing. CT doesn't solve it.

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I'm not arguing that having A+B+C will be less anonymous than A+C, however I see A+C being more anonymous than A+B.

As I said they are not comparable. Neither is more anonymous than the other in any objective mathematical sense. You are entitled to your opinion as to qualitative superiority of course.

Thank you for the explanation and being more reasonable than the other Monero peeps. I guess I was wrong. Both seem pretty untraceable to me though. I think Monero will be a good option for privacy concerned people, especially after releasing its own version of Confidential Transactions.

I just can't see purely privacy focused coins as being a good investment. Nothing is stopping super DACs from adopting AB and C, but Monero seems uninterested in expanding into other avenues of decentralized development. It is the coins that embrace and implement many decentralized technologies and features that will rise above the rest IMO. I personally would choose the anon coin that did AB and C, along with encrypted messaging, decentralized market, etc..... before choosing a coin that only did AB and C, etc.

I am hypothesizing that the masses agree with me. Smiley

I would have to disagree with you about the bolded text above... we have monero developers here (Smooth) who are working on AEON as a test bed to test out different tactics of getting everyone interested in mining through a very decentralized platform that allows low hashing rates to effectively mine small amounts of coins...  At least that's what I think is going on, please correct me if I'm wrong Smooth.
legendary
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October 25, 2015, 04:08:53 PM
I just can't see purely privacy focused coins as being a good investment. Nothing is stopping super DACs from adopting AB and C, but Monero seems uninterested in expanding into other avenues of decentralized development. It is the coins that embrace and implement many decentralized technologies and features that will rise above the rest IMO. I personally would choose the anon coin that did AB and C, along with encrypted messaging, decentralized market, etc..... before choosing a coin that only did AB and C, etc.

I am hypothesizing that the masses agree with me. Smiley

You make some good points that there is no one silver bullet feature. I think few if any would disagree with you on that. Coins and projects each have to find their own way and deliver value to users. Thank you for pointing out the new CT feature in Bitshares, I don't think I was aware of it.

legendary
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October 25, 2015, 04:05:17 PM
Bitshares 2.0 is more anonymous than Monero with mandatory stealth addresses and an implementation of Confidential Transactions already live on the blockchain..... it seems less speculative than Monero's plans to implement their own version of Confidential Transactions.  Wink

CT plus stealth is not "more anonymous" than Monero. Mostly the two aren't comparable (both do something the other doesn't), although Monero is arguably somewhat more anonymous, as I will explain.

Privacy/anonymity consists of:

A. unlinkability (can't tell two transactions are to the same recipient): stealth (or just not reusing addresses)
B. untraceability (can't trace paths between tranasctions): ring signatures (or coinjoin, coinswap, though with many complications and hazards, etc.)
C. content privacy (can't see amount being spent): CT (or limited ambiguity of which outputs are change)

Bitshares with CT gives you A and C, but nothing at all for B. Monero gives you A and B, and somewhat C (via ambiguity of change outputs). Monero with ringCT will give A,B, and C, for a comprehensive solution.

Currently Monero lacks C though.

Not completely. It deliberately includes some extra coins in the transaction and then sends them back as change. You can't tell which outputs go to the recipient, so you can't identify the amount. Some sort of range or candidates can be inferred.

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I don't see how Bitshares 2.0 transactions are traceable since they do both A and C?

Neither A nor C address tracing at all. Every connection in the blockchain is still 100% visible.

Read what Greg Maxwell and Blockstream has written about transaction metadata, since they invented the thing. CT doesn't solve it.

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I'm not arguing that having A+B+C will be less anonymous than A+C, however I see A+C being more anonymous than A+B.

As I said they are not comparable. Neither is more anonymous than the other in any objective mathematical sense. You are entitled to your opinion as to qualitative superiority of course.

Thank you for the explanation and being more reasonable than the other Monero peeps. I guess I was wrong. Both seem pretty untraceable to me though. I think Monero will be a good option for privacy concerned people, especially after releasing its own version of Confidential Transactions.

I just can't see purely privacy focused coins as being a good investment. Nothing is stopping super DACs from adopting AB and C, but Monero seems uninterested in expanding into other avenues of decentralized development. It is the coins that embrace and implement many decentralized technologies and features that will rise above the rest IMO. I personally would choose the anon coin that did AB and C, along with encrypted messaging, decentralized market, etc..... before choosing a coin that only did AB and C, etc.

I am hypothesizing that the masses agree with me. Smiley

This post better explains my hypothesis: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12784761
sr. member
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October 25, 2015, 03:59:14 PM

Yes, I am probably dumb but please explain in laymen's terms how Bitshares 2.0 transactions are traceable.


You may actually not know but same argument is used by the dash/darkcoin side, just because people don't care to trace it don't make it anonymous, it also don't fool mathematicians and cryptographers that see right through the snake oil.

I have nothing against ppl who hold or trade these coins just to profit, if you make more money congratulations to you. I just think crypto is too small and uninteresting (apart from few coins like Monero) to bother holding and speculating the long term future.
legendary
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October 25, 2015, 03:57:46 PM
Really? LMAO

Yes, I am probably dumb but please explain in laymen's terms how Bitshares 2.0 transactions are traceable.

I'd draw a picture for the laymen.

Without CT

A ---- 3.1 BTC ----> B

With CT:

A ----- ?? BTC ---> B

There is no difference in terms of tracing.

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