[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1698.

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Quote from: americanpegasus on October 16, 2015, 04:47:51 PM

Quote from: othe on October 16, 2015, 04:23:37 PM

This runs as well on iOS - but so far the Apple appstore disallowed crpytocurrency apps that aren´t Bitcoin; at least they did when i tried the last time.

And yet Fart Click III - The Clickening is just fine.

But I agree that if Apple is very capable of squandering their lead in the smartphone field, but don't underestimate the droves that know iPhone and like iPhone - they are the same who think Android is synonymous with those awful Samsung Galaxy phones (I default to this camp fairly often, sorry).

Network effect is real and powerful, and as always: Most people don't want freedom and choice; they want status, comfort, and shiny things.

The fleece the iSheep say no to DRM investment model (cost averaging).

1) Price out an iPad
2) Purchase every month the price of an iPad worth of XMR
3) Repeat until Apple gives the iSheep permission to hold XMR
4) When Apple gives the iSheep permission to hold XMR sell to meet the iSheep demand

This strategy worked very well for me with Bitcoin starting in 2012 when I was literally bought an iPad worth of Bitcoin a month. Now a similar strategy can work with Monero for the same reason.

Edit: In the meantime enjoy a rooted and unlocked Android phone and / or tablet.

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Before I could even begin to form a proper opinion on this, I'd need to do some more reading, and be assured this doesn't open up Monero to the same weaknesses as zerocash (an opaque blockchain that we can't verify hasn't been tampered with via an exploit)

I also think it would need to be vetted in a testnet environment.

But if it's all possible and true, then we should eventually add it.

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Quote from: boolberry on October 16, 2015, 07:08:41 PM

Quote from: smooth on October 16, 2015, 07:03:41 PM

Quote from: americanpegasus on October 16, 2015, 05:43:13 PM

Also, how likely/possible is this to implement into a Monero release? Would it require a hardfork? (which isn't a problem since those are scheduled anyways)

Something like this would certainly require a hard fork to be implemented in a reasonable manner (if at all).

Does your (if at all) comment refer to your view on the difficulty level in adding it or whether there will be a consensus that it is desired?

It probably needs a lot of testing and peer review first, hence his comment. If something is somewhat broken it can't be implemented.

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Quote from: kennyP on October 16, 2015, 01:07:45 AM

My assessment, anonymint is a bat-shit brilliant guy, and if he was inside the XMR tent pissing out (on other coins) I'm speculating it would be very bullish for monero, and probably good for anonymint's health too - win:win!

Well, with XMR this low, he can buy a nice chunk, try to help an OPEN source project by publishing his instead and profit.
He would be able to buy his coins way below the average buy in price of most community members...

even willing to throw some XMR his way if he joins the XMR dev team or MRL team.

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Quote from: smooth on October 16, 2015, 07:03:41 PM

Quote from: americanpegasus on October 16, 2015, 05:43:13 PM

Also, how likely/possible is this to implement into a Monero release? Would it require a hardfork? (which isn't a problem since those are scheduled anyways)

Something like this would certainly require a hard fork to be implemented in a reasonable manner (if at all).

Does your (if at all) comment refer to your view on the difficulty level in adding it or whether there will be a consensus that it is desired?

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Quote from: americanpegasus on October 16, 2015, 05:43:13 PM

Also, how likely/possible is this to implement into a Monero release? Would it require a hardfork? (which isn't a problem since those are scheduled anyways)

Something like this would certainly require a hard fork to be implemented in a reasonable manner (if at all).

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on October 16, 2015, 04:50:37 PM

Updated paper on Ring Confidential Transactions (CT) for Monero -> https://github.com/ShenNoether/MiniNero/raw/master/RingCT0.3.pdf

Quote from: ShenNoether

Here is the version I was originally waiting to post with tag linkability sketched out reasonably completely.

ELI5: Next to hidden origins and destinations that are inherent to the Monero protocol (provided by ring sigs + stealthaddresses), this will also hide amounts, while viewkeys will still work, and of course it will still be auditable. (credits ShenNoether)

@AmericanPegasus, I hope you get the idea now :-)

I do, and if this is true, while also allowing the blockchain to be 'verifiable' (so if a coin-generating bug ever came into existence we would see something was wrong), then why would we ever need zerocash? Would it still have any benefits?

Also, how likely/possible is this to implement into a Monero release? Would it require a hardfork? (which isn't a problem since those are scheduled anyways)

Also, does anyone know if the sticky topic on the Monero Subreddit was edited with the latest version? That seems important, and I'm not sure which account posted it initially.

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Updated paper on Ring Confidential Transactions (CT) for Monero -> https://github.com/ShenNoether/MiniNero/raw/master/RingCT0.3.pdf

Quote from: ShenNoether

Here is the version I was originally waiting to post with tag linkability sketched out reasonably completely.

ELI5: Next to hidden origins and destinations that are inherent to the Monero protocol (provided by ring sigs + stealthaddresses), this will also hide amounts, while viewkeys will still work, and of course it will still be auditable. (credits ShenNoether)

@AmericanPegasus, I hope you get the idea now :-)

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Quote from: othe on October 16, 2015, 04:23:37 PM

Quote from: americanpegasus on October 16, 2015, 03:26:19 PM

Quote from: phishead on October 16, 2015, 02:39:48 PM

Oh wait.. I thought the picture posted was an advertisement for a new iOS app for monero. My mistake.

I wish; that would be incredible. An open-source iOS Monero wallet would be pretty fucking rad.... unfortunately I think we may still be a year or two away at least.

Why? Monerowallet runs fine on IOS; and der Monerowallet for android is using the Monerowallet code, just packed into a Cordova project. It´s just javascript which runs on any device.
This runs as well on iOS - but so far the Apple appstore disallowed crpytocurrency apps that aren´t Bitcoin; at least they did when i tried the last time.

Why's that? I've never really heard of that rule before? I mean if they would allow Bitcoin apps for wallets to be ok in their eyes.. That doesn't really make sense to ban everything else?

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Quote from: othe on October 16, 2015, 04:23:37 PM

This runs as well on iOS - but so far the Apple appstore disallowed crpytocurrency apps that aren´t Bitcoin; at least they did when i tried the last time.

And yet Fart Click III - The Clickening is just fine.

But I agree that if Apple is very capable of squandering their lead in the smartphone field, but don't underestimate the droves that know iPhone and like iPhone - they are the same who think Android is synonymous with those awful Samsung Galaxy phones (I default to this camp fairly often, sorry).

Network effect is real and powerful, and as always: Most people don't want freedom and choice; they want status, comfort, and shiny things.

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Quote from: americanpegasus on October 16, 2015, 03:26:19 PM

Quote from: phishead on October 16, 2015, 02:39:48 PM

Oh wait.. I thought the picture posted was an advertisement for a new iOS app for monero. My mistake.

I wish; that would be incredible. An open-source iOS Monero wallet would be pretty fucking rad.... unfortunately I think we may still be a year or two away at least.

Why? Monerowallet runs fine on IOS; and der Monerowallet for android is using the Monerowallet code, just packed into a Cordova project. It´s just javascript which runs on any device.
This runs as well on iOS - but so far the Apple appstore disallowed crpytocurrency apps that aren´t Bitcoin; at least they did when i tried the last time.

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Quote from: americanpegasus on October 16, 2015, 03:26:19 PM

Quote from: phishead on October 16, 2015, 02:39:48 PM

Oh wait.. I thought the picture posted was an advertisement for a new iOS app for monero. My mistake.

I wish; that would be incredible. An open-source iOS Monero wallet would be pretty fucking rad.... unfortunately I think we may still be a year or two away at least.

Bold my emphasis. This will not happen because Apple uses DRM to censor Free Libre Open Source Software. Also Apple has been steadily loosing market share in mobile (smartphone / tablet) from close to 100% a decade ago to under 39% today. https://netmarketshare.com/ This is in many ways similar the Apple's decline in the computer desktop from its peak in the late 1970's with the Apple II, to virtual oblivion by the late 1990's.

Edit: If Bitcoin is any indication the acceptance of Monero in the iTunes store should be considered a sell signal for Monero.

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Quote from: phishead on October 16, 2015, 02:39:48 PM

Oh wait.. I thought the picture posted was an advertisement for a new iOS app for monero. My mistake.

I wish; that would be incredible. An open-source iOS Monero wallet would be pretty fucking rad.... unfortunately I think we may still be a year or two away at least.

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Quote from: americanpegasus on October 16, 2015, 02:27:18 PM

Quote from: phishead on October 16, 2015, 02:23:13 PM

Woah! I haven't seen this yet, is this for real or am I just dreaming?
...
I guess my question is, are you guys going to wait a bit and see if you can get more bang for your Satoshi?

I think people are geeking out about this post on the Monero subreddit and it's consequences. I would like an easy way to ELI5 what that means vs. the original privacy features of Monero (for laymen): https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3oi16k/ring_ct_for_monero_a_work_in_progress_comments/

If what I understand is correct this brings Monero up into a league where it possesses all the best features of zerocash with none of the drawbacks.

Also, I don't try to time bitcoin price. I always assume every price is the lowest price because I just don't know - I only know it is bound to increase in the future.

Oh wait.. I thought the picture posted was an advertisement for a new iOS app for monero. My mistake.

And yeah, I understand that.. It's just that I feel a lot of people have an extra stash of bitcoins ready to purchase monero whenever the want. I just feel like I'm climbing an uphill battle to get a right amount of bitcoins/monero to feel comfortable.. You know?

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Quote from: phishead on October 16, 2015, 02:23:13 PM

Woah! I haven't seen this yet, is this for real or am I just dreaming?
...
I guess my question is, are you guys going to wait a bit and see if you can get more bang for your Satoshi?

I think people are geeking out about this post on the Monero subreddit and it's consequences. I would like an easy way to ELI5 what that means vs. the original privacy features of Monero (for laymen): https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3oi16k/ring_ct_for_monero_a_work_in_progress_comments/

If what I understand is correct this brings Monero up into a league where it possesses all the best features of zerocash with none of the drawbacks.

Also, I don't try to time bitcoin price. I always assume every price is the lowest price because I just don't know - I only know it is bound to increase in the future.

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I think Trump would be the most understanding of Monero as he is certainly no stranger to transfering money offshore Wink

, the best he or any gov could do is stay the heck away from it regulatorily (ignore) and thats the most we should hope.

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Quote from: americanpegasus on October 16, 2015, 02:15:34 PM

Quote from: newb4now on October 16, 2015, 01:45:59 PM

Post # 10,000 is likely to happen in the next day or two. What are the celebration plans?

All the development talk recently has been encouraging. Confidential Transactions will make Monero even better!

Woah! I haven't seen this yet, is this for real or am I just dreaming?

Also, I'm kinda disappointed in my self for not buying a lot of Bitcoin at $200... I just bought my first Bitcoin last night at $256 and feel I waited too long. When I was purchasing monero I would just buy some bitcoins here and there to put into monero.. Now I feel I missed an opportunity to be able to enjoy the purchasing power it has now compared to then...

I guess my question is, are you guys going to wait a bit and see if you can get more bang for your Satoshi?

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Quote from: newb4now on October 16, 2015, 01:45:59 PM

Post # 10,000 is likely to happen in the next day or two. What are the celebration plans?

All the development talk recently has been encouraging. Confidential Transactions will make Monero even better!

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Quote from: americanpegasus on October 16, 2015, 02:00:31 PM

So some are upset that Monero penetrated below the 1500 level, but as I said: all the altcoins are down on bitcoin's latest strength (thanks to Gemini) not just Monero. In fact, Monero has actually fallen less than they.

Anything else I would say would just sound like bagholder support..... ah fuck it: cheap coinz! Grin

Also, I find it interesting and fun that on military computers bitcointalk.org is fully accessible with no impediment whatsoever while even Reddit is not accessible in any usable form. Military computers are usually notorious for locking down any website that even vaguely isn't needed for operations. Tongue

Picked up another couple XMR at .00149xx

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So some are upset that Monero penetrated below the 1500 level, but as I said: all the altcoins are down on bitcoin's latest strength (thanks to Gemini) not just Monero. In fact, Monero has actually fallen less than they.

Anything else I would say would just sound like bagholder support..... ah fuck it: cheap coinz! Grin

Also, I find it interesting and fun that on military computers bitcointalk.org is fully accessible with no impediment whatsoever while even Reddit is not accessible in any usable form. Military computers are usually notorious for locking down any website that even vaguely isn't needed for operations. Tongue

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