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legendary
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June 19, 2015, 08:02:45 PM
monero hands are very strong, you should know by now.. no one will risk his position for a 10-20% profit chance. sounds like TrueCryptonaire is the one that bougth 30k today  Grin (btw. good trade i think)
we all make the miners rich, but damn, they put up so many cpu/gpus, it's impossible to compete with this.

Mining is a tough competitive business with margins that are often very thin (though of course higher during periods of rapid growth). Miners earn their money.

Cloud mining is usually a scam, but I wonder if it wouldn't be easy money to rent CPU power if XMR moons (goes up 10x) during its high-inflation period (within the next 1-2 years)?

What usually happens when a CPU mined coin moons is that rental CPU power quickly becomes less available and more expensive. I've seen times in the past when high power servers quickly sell out at many cloud computing vendors. (I've wondered how this looks to people outside of the cryptocoin market who I guess have no idea why all of the sudden everyone wants 1000 Xeon servers.) Money can be made by knowing the best ways to get CPU inexpensively in a tight market but again miners are earning their money, especially if you want to do this at significant scale.
G2M
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June 19, 2015, 07:51:18 PM
FWIW; Seems nobody wants to take an XMR loan for shorting, even if you're practically giving it away.

hero member
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June 19, 2015, 07:48:05 PM
I don't think the bolded part will be the case. We'll see dark markets move from BTC to XMR in the next few years.
I can see XMR becoming the second largest cryptocurrency (if we ignore RippleScam) when distribution becomes low (< 5 XMR per minute). Difficult to say what this will mean in BTC terms, but I gues it will be at least 0.05 BTC (remember that XMR was around 5-10 USD for a long time when most of the BTC was used on dark markets (2012). I think 5-10 USD has a very big chance in the next few years.

If a large number of people get caught specifically because of blockchain-based analysis, then major markets might begin to switch over. Even then, they might not. I just don't have much faith in people's ability to be proactive and exercise vigilance in the face of potential dangers, especially when it doesn't seem that people are getting caught because of blockchain analysis (but rather via controlled deliveries). If a significant portion of dark net markets were move to XMR, then $5-10 would be thinking small. In that scenario, forget about Ripple. XMR could challenge BTC itself. In two years, it would have superior decentralization, lower supply inflation, and more or equal non-speculative use.

just want to be conservative Tongue
Don't underestimate what wall street can o to bitcoin. if wallstreet gets involed, I can easily see it going to 10k.
Will XMR be at that point be able to get to the same level as BTC? Don't think so. Maybe 5-10 USD is too conservative in that scenario, considering a lot of people will heard about TC by then... 0.05 BTC/XMR seems a good conservative target in any (BTC-)scenario Smiley


What exactly does "wall street getting involved" consist of, though? Market-making? Pump-and-dumping? I don't trust Wall Street to come in and make BTC holders or XMR holders rich at their expense. They are going to make themselves rich in ways that don't necessarily involve bidding up XMR/BTC. I think bitcoin can go to 10k without Wall Street. We just need less supply while demand grows. And those two things are both occurring.

legendary
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June 19, 2015, 07:24:12 PM
I don't think the bolded part will be the case. We'll see dark markets move from BTC to XMR in the next few years.
I can see XMR becoming the second largest cryptocurrency (if we ignore RippleScam) when distribution becomes low (< 5 XMR per minute). Difficult to say what this will mean in BTC terms, but I gues it will be at least 0.05 BTC (remember that XMR was around 5-10 USD for a long time when most of the BTC was used on dark markets (2012). I think 5-10 USD has a very big chance in the next few years.

If a large number of people get caught specifically because of blockchain-based analysis, then major markets might begin to switch over. Even then, they might not. I just don't have much faith in people's ability to be proactive and exercise vigilance in the face of potential dangers, especially when it doesn't seem that people are getting caught because of blockchain analysis (but rather via controlled deliveries). If a significant portion of dark net markets were move to XMR, then $5-10 would be thinking small. In that scenario, forget about Ripple. XMR could challenge BTC itself. In two years, it would have superior decentralization, lower supply inflation, and more or equal non-speculative use.

just want to be conservative Tongue
Don't underestimate what wall street can o to bitcoin. if wallstreet gets involed, I can easily see it going to 10k.
Will XMR be at that point be able to get to the same level as BTC? Don't think so. Maybe 5-10 USD is too conservative in that scenario, considering a lot of people will heard about TC by then... 0.05 BTC/XMR seems a good conservative target in any (BTC-)scenario Smiley
hero member
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June 19, 2015, 06:55:16 PM
I don't think the bolded part will be the case. We'll see dark markets move from BTC to XMR in the next few years.
I can see XMR becoming the second largest cryptocurrency (if we ignore RippleScam) when distribution becomes low (< 5 XMR per minute). Difficult to say what this will mean in BTC terms, but I gues it will be at least 0.05 BTC (remember that XMR was around 5-10 USD for a long time when most of the BTC was used on dark markets (2012). I think 5-10 USD has a very big chance in the next few years.

If a large number of people get caught specifically because of blockchain-based analysis, then major markets might begin to switch over. Even then, they might not. I just don't have much faith in people's ability to be proactive and exercise vigilance in the face of potential dangers, especially when it doesn't seem that people are getting caught because of blockchain analysis (but rather via controlled deliveries). If a significant portion of dark net markets were move to XMR, then $5-10 would be thinking small. In that scenario, forget about Ripple. XMR could challenge BTC itself. In two years, it would have superior decentralization, lower supply inflation, and more or equal non-speculative use.
legendary
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June 19, 2015, 06:07:16 PM
My mistake will be that I exchange XMR for BTC too early. I'm still super bullish on bitcoin. When XMR:BTC is at .01  I don't think I'll be able to resist the opportunity to have more bitcoin than I've ever held at once.

USD is no longer fashionable. If I want something that loses value every year, I'll buy a Rolls Royce.

indeed. I will sell some XMR for BTC at some point. I currently almost hold zero BTC.
I'm bullish on BTC because I think that the lack of privacy will be seen as usefull by the government-bank cartel. They will start to give BTC an "easy path" because they'll benefit from it.

Yep. BTC also simply has momentum going for it. Even though XMR might be technically superior for privacy, we'll continue to see BTC used almost exclusively on dark net markets in the near future due to its historical legacy.

With Crypto Kingdom, XMR enjoys more non-speculative use than just about every other digital currency asset in existence. LTC is just a Chinese pump-and-dump plaything at this point. So there's a very good chance that XMR will surpass DOGE, LTC, Peercoin, etc. and become a Top 3 cryptocurrency by market cap after its distribution phase is over.

I don't think the bolded part will be the case. We'll see dark markets move from BTC to XMR in the next few years.
I can see XMR becoming the second largest cryptocurrency (if we ignore RippleScam) when distribution becomes low (< 5 XMR per minute). Difficult to say what this will mean in BTC terms, but I gues it will be at least 0.05 BTC (remember that XMR was around 5-10 USD for a long time when most of the BTC was used on dark markets (2012). I think 5-10 USD has a very big chance in the next few years.
G2M
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June 19, 2015, 06:03:12 PM
If LTC can support itself at 328 BTC/day, XMR can surely support a 29.63 BTC/day, if LTC really is just a 'pump and dump'.
hero member
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June 19, 2015, 05:56:15 PM
My mistake will be that I exchange XMR for BTC too early. I'm still super bullish on bitcoin. When XMR:BTC is at .01  I don't think I'll be able to resist the opportunity to have more bitcoin than I've ever held at once.

USD is no longer fashionable. If I want something that loses value every year, I'll buy a Rolls Royce.

indeed. I will sell some XMR for BTC at some point. I currently almost hold zero BTC.
I'm bullish on BTC because I think that the lack of privacy will be seen as usefull by the government-bank cartel. They will start to give BTC an "easy path" because they'll benefit from it.

Yep. BTC also simply has momentum going for it. Even though XMR might be technically superior for privacy, we'll continue to see BTC used almost exclusively on dark net markets in the near future due to its historical legacy.

With Crypto Kingdom, XMR enjoys more non-speculative use than just about every other digital currency asset in existence. LTC is just a Chinese pump-and-dump plaything at this point. So there's a very good chance that XMR will surpass DOGE, LTC, Peercoin, etc. and become a Top 3 cryptocurrency by market cap after its distribution phase is over.
legendary
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June 19, 2015, 05:24:29 PM
My mistake will be that I exchange XMR for BTC too early. I'm still super bullish on bitcoin. When XMR:BTC is at .01  I don't think I'll be able to resist the opportunity to have more bitcoin than I've ever held at once.

USD is no longer fashionable. If I want something that loses value every year, I'll buy a Rolls Royce.

indeed. I will sell some XMR for BTC at some point. I currently almost hold zero BTC.
I'm bullish on BTC because I think that the lack of privacy will be seen as usefull by the government-bank cartel. They will start to give BTC an "easy path" because they'll benefit from it.
hero member
Activity: 798
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21 million. I want them all.
June 19, 2015, 04:27:53 PM
monero hands are very strong, you should know by now.. no one will risk his position for a 10-20% profit chance. sounds like TrueCryptonaire is the one that bougth 30k today  Grin (btw. good trade i think)
we all make the miners rich, but damn, they put up so many cpu/gpus, it's impossible to compete with this.

Mining is a tough competitive business with margins that are often very thin (though of course higher during periods of rapid growth). Miners earn their money.

Cloud mining is usually a scam, but I wonder if it wouldn't be easy money to rent CPU power if XMR moons (goes up 10x) during its high-inflation period (within the next 1-2 years)?
legendary
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June 19, 2015, 04:25:27 PM
monero hands are very strong, you should know by now.. no one will risk his position for a 10-20% profit chance. sounds like TrueCryptonaire is the one that bougth 30k today  Grin (btw. good trade i think)
we all make the miners rich, but damn, they put up so many cpu/gpus, it's impossible to compete with this.

Mining is a tough competitive business with margins that are often very thin (though of course higher during periods of rapid growth). Miners earn their money.
sr. member
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hello world
June 19, 2015, 04:21:33 PM
monero hands are very strong, you should know by now.. no one will risk his position for a 10-20% profit chance. sounds like TrueCryptonaire is the one that bougth 30k today  Grin (btw. good trade i think)
we all make the miners rich, but damn, they put up so many cpu/gpus, it's impossible to compete with this.
hero member
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21 million. I want them all.
June 19, 2015, 04:19:42 PM
My mistake will be that I exchange XMR for BTC too early. I'm still super bullish on bitcoin. When XMR:BTC is at .01  I don't think I'll be able to resist the opportunity to have more bitcoin than I've ever held at once.

USD is no longer fashionable. If I want something that loses value every year, I'll buy a Rolls Royce.
legendary
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June 19, 2015, 03:34:22 PM
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No.
I am looking forward to a permabull that is going to start dumping as a result of exchaustness.
Bitcoin had the "long term holders" that sold their coins way too early. Monero needs those, too.
Not everyone has a merit to be rich and hold 2000 usd/xmr coins.

Ever thought of the possibility that some of those Bitcoin "long term holders" may choose to not make the same mistake with Monero?
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Monero
June 19, 2015, 03:25:08 PM
With all the bear talk in here... i wonder why there is basically nothing up for sale to the  .0023 -.0024 level? One decent buy clears the June 8th high, shorts closing not even considerd.

Don't get burned.


Four childish pictures.


You win. I don't even know how to respond to that. I should ask my 12 year old nephew.

Looks like he is getting ready to re-enter.


No.
I am looking forward to a permabull that is going to start dumping as a result of exchaustness.
Bitcoin had the "long term holders" that sold their coins way too early. Monero needs those, too.
Not everyone has a merit to be rich and hold 2000 usd/xmr coins.

I'm a permabull, but you won't see me getting exhausted one bit by any fluctuations of the market. I will consider selling some XMR in a year or two though.  Tongue

I am considering adding another sizable portion of XMR into my cold wallets, shorters be warned!
legendary
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June 19, 2015, 03:04:50 PM


No.
I am looking forward to a permabull that is going to start dumping as a result of exchaustness.
Bitcoin had the "long term holders" that sold their coins way too early. Monero needs those, too.
Not everyone has a merit to be rich and hold 2000 usd/xmr coins.

So you see XMR=2kUSD in the future?

Don't discount the possibility that 1 XMR = 2000 USD = 1 bag of apples in the future.

I think both scenarios are possible.
Usd indeed might lose (almost) completely its value.
On the other hand, bitcoin reached 1100 usd so why not Monero which does everything bitcoin does but is also anonymous if one desires anonymity.

However, don't ask when is the future because nobody knows the answear.
legendary
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June 19, 2015, 02:47:33 PM


No.
I am looking forward to a permabull that is going to start dumping as a result of exchaustness.
Bitcoin had the "long term holders" that sold their coins way too early. Monero needs those, too.
Not everyone has a merit to be rich and hold 2000 usd/xmr coins.

So you see XMR=2kUSD in the future?

Don't discount the possibility that 1 XMR = 2000 USD = 1 bag of apples in the future.
legendary
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June 19, 2015, 02:26:28 PM


No.
I am looking forward to a permabull that is going to start dumping as a result of exchaustness.
Bitcoin had the "long term holders" that sold their coins way too early. Monero needs those, too.
Not everyone has a merit to be rich and hold 2000 usd/xmr coins.

So you see XMR=2kUSD in the future?
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
June 19, 2015, 02:14:02 PM
With all the bear talk in here... i wonder why there is basically nothing up for sale to the  .0023 -.0024 level? One decent buy clears the June 8th high, shorts closing not even considerd.

Don't get burned.


Four childish pictures.


You win. I don't even know how to respond to that. I should ask my 12 year old nephew.

Looks like he is getting ready to re-enter.


No.
I am looking forward to a permabull that is going to start dumping as a result of exchaustness.
Bitcoin had the "long term holders" that sold their coins way too early. Monero needs those, too.
Not everyone has a merit to be rich and hold 2000 usd/xmr coins.
full member
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June 19, 2015, 02:04:54 PM
I hope it will happen so I can buy more.

I have the feeling our hopes are canceling each other out  Wink
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