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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1859. (Read 3314343 times)

legendary
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June 28, 2015, 04:47:34 AM
Monero has potential (major) rise in 2016 earliest.
So if you are betting for Monero for long haul, it requires a few years to be safely in profit (assuming the coin will not die before it).
However, I don't think Monero will die - I've drawn this conclusion by the members of the community. Monero community members are like a religious cult led by the cult leader Risto. When Risto says: "time to pump", the price starts to rise even if Risto doesn't buy a single coin. When Risto becomes more pessimistic about the price, it takes maximum a few days and the price is declining.

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legendary
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Want privacy? Use Monero!
June 28, 2015, 02:52:14 AM
(1) people who send BTC in the "ring signature sidechain" (RSSC), taint their BTC who are not entering the RSSC. If their identity is matched with the same identity as who put BTC in the RSSC, this person can become "flagged".
No, it's possible to trustlessly coinswap in and out of such a system, with no detectable connectivity.  And there are many reasons to use such a sidechain, such as improved smart contracting.  I consider improved fungiblity to be an essential basic feature.

Unfortunately, it's appears that it isn't possible to trustlessly swap in and out of monero because the developers of bytecoin didn't carry across smart contract functionality which they didn't understand.  Perhaps the capability could be added later.


Ok, using coinswap is possible, but in that case, you are tainting your coins with coins from the other party. You don't know if the other party is a drug lord for example. Coinswapping coins will still be a risk.

and please adress (3) also:
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(3) people who want to get their BTC out of the RSSC, immediately taint those BTC. It's even easier to taint these BTC than BTC put through a mixer or using coinjoin because you don't need to do extensive chainalysis. If/when regulation starts to come down on payment processors and/or miners (see my reddit post about fungibility for more info on the risks of tainting your BTC), these BTC's will be hard to spend in the 'regular economy' or even transact with.


if your answer is again, coinswap. Fine. But why would someone voluntarily taint their coins with RSSC-mixed coins?


and also address why miners, who are generally only interested in the mining profit and not the politics, run an RSSC node?
Even if it doesn't take more resources to do it... if it ever becomes illegal to run a node that supports RSSC (money laundering law for example), I don't think many (big) miners/pools will take the risk.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
June 28, 2015, 12:16:27 AM
(1) people who send BTC in the "ring signature sidechain" (RSSC), taint their BTC who are not entering the RSSC. If their identity is matched with the same identity as who put BTC in the RSSC, this person can become "flagged".
No, it's possible to trustlessly coinswap in and out of such a system, with no detectable connectivity.  And there are many reasons to use such a sidechain, such as improved smart contracting.  I consider improved fungiblity to be an essential basic feature.

Unfortunately, it's appears that it isn't possible to trustlessly swap in and out of monero because the developers of bytecoin didn't carry across smart contract functionality which they didn't understand.  Perhaps the capability could be added later.


In a cash system, why would I want to go through an extra smart contract feature to send or receive payment?

I would assume the liquidity of Bitcoin, but the liquidity of Monero could change very rapidly.

All things being equal, I would want the simpler system, yes?
staff
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June 28, 2015, 12:07:07 AM
I agree - any means to increase fungibility is a win. But based on my understanding of coinswap, this protocol would be human-centric? I.e., I'd have to arrange with some sentient thing (be it another human or a centralized service) to make it happen?
No, not at all-- it's just the norm to think about and describe protocols in terms of "people" making moves in a game.  All of this is automated and performed by computers.
legendary
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June 27, 2015, 10:59:08 PM
(1) people who send BTC in the "ring signature sidechain" (RSSC), taint their BTC who are not entering the RSSC. If their identity is matched with the same identity as who put BTC in the RSSC, this person can become "flagged".
No, it's possible to trustlessly coinswap in and out of such a system, with no detectable connectivity.  And there are many reasons to use such a sidechain, such as improved smart contracting.  I consider improved fungiblity to be an essential basic feature.

Unfortunately, it's appears that it isn't possible to trustlessly swap in and out of monero because the developers of bytecoin didn't carry across smart contract functionality which they didn't understand.  Perhaps the capability could be added later.


Heya! Thanks for stopping by the thrilling altcoin section of bitcointalk!

I just read through coinswap - and granted, the reason I'm awake reading things is because I couldn't sleep so, grain of salt and all that.

I agree - any means to increase fungibility is a win. But based on my understanding of coinswap, this protocol would be human-centric? I.e., I'd have to arrange with some sentient thing (be it another human or a centralized service) to make it happen?

I should read your link with morning eyes.
staff
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June 27, 2015, 10:31:54 PM
(1) people who send BTC in the "ring signature sidechain" (RSSC), taint their BTC who are not entering the RSSC. If their identity is matched with the same identity as who put BTC in the RSSC, this person can become "flagged".
No, it's possible to trustlessly coinswap in and out of such a system, with no detectable connectivity.  And there are many reasons to use such a sidechain, such as improved smart contracting.  I consider improved fungiblity to be an essential basic feature.

Unfortunately, it's appears that it isn't possible to trustlessly swap in and out of monero because the developers of bytecoin didn't carry across smart contract functionality which they didn't understand.  Perhaps the capability could be added later.
hero member
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21 million. I want them all.
June 27, 2015, 09:18:17 PM
What impact do you think 50% XMR emission (ignoring tail) will have (if any) this fall?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/edit?pli=1#gid=239466694

It seems to be that although block reward decrease is gradual, certain benchmarks may have at least psychological importance



I'm going to be saying it for the next five years. 2021 will be a watershed year. No more "CHEAP COINZ" and no more miners dumping thousands of coins every day like the waves hitting the beach. In 2021, if people want my coins, they are going to have to pay me for them.
hero member
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June 27, 2015, 03:05:53 PM
http://themerkle.com/speculation/monero-technical-analysis-for-6222015/

I like the frequent and good analysis of this site.

Will try buy some more XMR <0.002 the coming days.
legendary
Activity: 1092
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June 27, 2015, 11:54:30 AM
Despite Moneros are lent almost literally for free, there is absolutely no interest to borrow and short.
Is the going rates now all time low?

I hope there will be some brave souls who wants to borrow my moneros and short it all the way down to the ground.
It also provides liquidity if there will be an exhausted whale wishing to exit from Monero, and not just a whale, also a big miner can dump largish stash.
hero member
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June 27, 2015, 02:01:22 AM
I believe bulls should hold the lines or else:



I don't think most XMR owners are worried about short term fluctuations.  The long run is all that matters. Prices may go up or down in the short run. I wont pretend to be able to predict what will happen in the near future. As long as development proceeds based on the existing roadmap everyone should be happy.
hero member
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June 27, 2015, 01:54:23 AM
I believe bulls should hold the lines or else:

full member
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June 26, 2015, 09:29:37 PM
What impact do you think 50% XMR emission (ignoring tail) will have (if any) this fall?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/edit?pli=1#gid=239466694

It seems to be that although block reward decrease is gradual, certain benchmarks may have at least psychological importance

full member
Activity: 158
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June 26, 2015, 08:14:52 PM
"Tsipras is playing a dangerous game with the ECB ahead of a difficult week that could very well see the imposition of capital controls."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-26/tsipras-rejects-ultimatums-says-wont-be-blackmailed

Anyone else smelling a new wave of demand for privacy focused crypto?
legendary
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June 26, 2015, 06:35:56 PM
Not sure where else to put this...

I'm selling 10k XMR @ 0.002. PM me.

Do you perhaps want to reveal what the reason for this sell is?

EDIT: If you don't want to state this publicly, you could also PM me.
copper member
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Post your ann & bounty just contact me
June 25, 2015, 08:26:11 PM
Some of my buy orders got filled, feeling pretty good about these price levels and this relative stability, doubt we're going down much but we'll see.

are this time worthed to buy ?

If you believe in Monero then yes I think it is good time to buy, even at higher prices.

If you are a trader then I'd say probably yes because I think there is more to the upside than to the downside in my opinion. Also it depends on if you want to hold the coins for a long time (1 year +) or not.

But you should inform yourself and make your own conclusions, don't just listen to random people on a forum.

Disclaimer: This is just my opinion and not expert trading advice, I'm not responsible for any losing trades anyone might make by reading my post Cool

Thank's im not monero believer, Im just trader Grin
i will watching for this week Smiley and waiting perfect time to buy

anyway What advantages monero than other coin

(sory im to lazy to read all coment before  Lips sealed )

There are many advantages (over other coins).

It's a very privacy centered coin, noone can follow your financial transactions unless you want to show them.

It has no blocksize limit like Bitcoin currently has, but the limit is automatically adjusted, also there is no block reward halving, it also adjusts automatically.

Ofcourse there is way more so for more information click the link in my signature to go the the main thread on bitcointalk or check getmonero.org

This is the speculation thread so these posts might get deleted.



Thank's for your xplanation Smiley
im still confused but i will search more source to reading again, now i bookmark this thread and getmonero, if i have more time i wil read again
hero member
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June 25, 2015, 08:21:52 PM
Some of my buy orders got filled, feeling pretty good about these price levels and this relative stability, doubt we're going down much but we'll see.

are this time worthed to buy ?

If you believe in Monero then yes I think it is good time to buy, even at higher prices.

If you are a trader then I'd say probably yes because I think there is more to the upside than to the downside in my opinion. Also it depends on if you want to hold the coins for a long time (1 year +) or not.

But you should inform yourself and make your own conclusions, don't just listen to random people on a forum.

Disclaimer: This is just my opinion and not expert trading advice, I'm not responsible for any losing trades anyone might make by reading my post Cool

Thank's im not monero believer, Im just trader Grin
i will watching for this week Smiley and waiting perfect time to buy

anyway What advantages monero than other coin

(sory im to lazy to read all coment before  Lips sealed )

There are many advantages (over other coins).

It's a very privacy centered coin, noone can follow your financial transactions unless you want to show them.

It has no blocksize limit like Bitcoin currently has, but the limit is automatically adjusted, also there is no block reward halving, it also adjusts automatically.

Ofcourse there is way more so for more information click the link in my signature to go the the main thread on bitcointalk or check getmonero.org

This is the speculation thread so these posts might get deleted.

copper member
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1007
Post your ann & bounty just contact me
June 25, 2015, 08:11:29 PM
Some of my buy orders got filled, feeling pretty good about these price levels and this relative stability, doubt we're going down much but we'll see.

are this time worthed to buy ?

If you believe in Monero then yes I think it is good time to buy, even at higher prices.

If you are a trader then I'd say probably yes because I think there is more to the upside than to the downside in my opinion. Also it depends on if you want to hold the coins for a long time (1 year +) or not.

But you should inform yourself and make your own conclusions, don't just listen to random people on a forum.

Disclaimer: This is just my opinion and not expert trading advice, I'm not responsible for any losing trades anyone might make by reading my post Cool

Thank's im not monero believer, Im just trader Grin
i will watching for this week Smiley and waiting perfect time to buy

anyway What advantages monero than other coin

(sory im to lazy to read all coment before  Lips sealed )
hero member
Activity: 700
Merit: 500
June 25, 2015, 08:07:38 PM
Some of my buy orders got filled, feeling pretty good about these price levels and this relative stability, doubt we're going down much but we'll see.

are this time worthed to buy ?

If you believe in Monero then yes I think it is good time to buy, even at higher prices.

If you are a trader then I'd say probably yes because I think there is more to the upside than to the downside in my opinion. Also it depends on if you want to hold the coins for a long time (1 year +) or not.

But you should inform yourself and make your own conclusions, don't just listen to random people on a forum.

Disclaimer: This is just my opinion and not expert trading advice, I'm not responsible for any losing trades anyone might make by reading my post Cool
copper member
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1007
Post your ann & bounty just contact me
June 25, 2015, 07:59:13 PM
Some of my buy orders got filled, feeling pretty good about these price levels and this relative stability, doubt we're going down much but we'll see.

are this time worthed to buy and hold monero ?
this price is high from some months ago

i want to buy 0.01BTC to hold it
hero member
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Merit: 500
June 25, 2015, 07:57:39 PM
Some of my buy orders got filled, feeling pretty good about these price levels and this relative stability, doubt we're going down much but we'll see.
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