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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 2095. (Read 3314316 times)

legendary
Activity: 2968
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December 26, 2014, 05:32:16 AM
We have had bearish trend since June (a serie of lower highs). Those people who bought into the MintPal pump back then have faced like close to 90 % loss in terms of bitcoins and in terms of fiat even more due to the drop of usd/btc rate.
However it became clearly bearish this autumn as even the pattern of higher lows was destroyed.

If you have both lower highs and higher lows, then there is really no trend at all (except toward reduced volatility).

It was only since August that highs and lows both began to trend lower, and the downtrend became very clear and well developed.

I don't know the reason for this. My theory has been that by August we ran out of new investors, and original group of investors had accumulated as much as they wanted. The price needed to go lower to motivate some averaging down, and more recently bring in some new buyers who find the lower prices more attractive and less risky.

I don't have very high confidence that my theory is correct. There may be other explanations for it.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
December 26, 2014, 05:09:08 AM
We have had bearish trend since June (a serie of lower highs). Those people who bought into the MintPal pump back then have faced like close to 90 % loss in terms of bitcoins and in terms of fiat even more due to the drop of usd/btc rate.
However it became clearly bearish this autumn as even the pattern of higher lows was destroyed.
legendary
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Merit: 1050
Monero Core Team
December 25, 2014, 06:46:32 PM
I agree 0.002 should be a resistance point. It also coincides with the early June low. What the risk reward ratio of trying to trade this is remains to be seen.
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
December 25, 2014, 06:27:05 PM
I was browsing the trade history to find resistance levels. My analysis is that the uptrend was convincingly broken Oct-15 with a great dump and new bottom. After that there was one try to get over 0.002 which failed. So there is a resistance. It seems that another one is around the level where we are currently, since we haven't broken it for 2 days. In between there has been some trade also but not much. I'd say the actual battle will be fought around 0.002.

Before getting there, some waves are likely but I'd say a "full" Fib-2 retracement is not likely. Buying at Fib-1 (0.00091+0.682*(high_since_0.0091 - 0.0091) is probably a good strategy.

That level is currently 0.00127 and shockingly enough, there is 68,000 XMR in bids above that.  Shocked
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1012
Still wild and free
December 25, 2014, 06:00:09 PM
Of course it's bullish but shhh don't jinx it. You're disturbing my buy orders.

It is bullish THAT it is not celebrated.

It is not celebrated because the previous bear market towards the end was driven in a significant way by greed (sell low hoping to buy lower) rather than fear.

And simply because it was so much expected anyway. (easy to say after the fact... but true nevertheless).


You mean the 4 month downtrend? I have to disagree with that, monero was mostly going in monthly cycles (like rpietila explained earlier). A short downtrend was expected (although some thought it would go considerable higher than 0.0051), but not this long downslide.

I didn't mean the downtrend, but the recent uptrend. We're getting closer and closer to significant technological achievements, we have mymonero.com, so I meant this uptrend was completely expected by pretty much all "monero believers". Thus the lack of celebration maybe.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
December 25, 2014, 05:52:44 PM
Of course it's bullish but shhh don't jinx it. You're disturbing my buy orders.

It is bullish THAT it is not celebrated.

It is not celebrated because the previous bear market towards the end was driven in a significant way by greed (sell low hoping to buy lower) rather than fear.

And simply because it was so much expected anyway. (easy to say after the fact... but true nevertheless).


You mean the 4 month downtrend? I have to disagree with that, monero was mostly going in monthly cycles (like rpietila explained earlier). A short downtrend was expected (although some thought it would go considerable higher than 0.0051), but not this long downslide.
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1012
Still wild and free
December 25, 2014, 05:46:07 PM
Of course it's bullish but shhh don't jinx it. You're disturbing my buy orders.

It is bullish THAT it is not celebrated.

It is not celebrated because the previous bear market towards the end was driven in a significant way by greed (sell low hoping to buy lower) rather than fear.

And simply because it was so much expected anyway. (easy to say after the fact... but true nevertheless).
legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1050
Monero Core Team
December 25, 2014, 05:42:12 PM
Of course it's bullish but shhh don't jinx it. You're disturbing my buy orders.

It is bullish THAT it is not celebrated.

It is not celebrated because the previous bear market towards the end was driven in a significant way by greed (sell low hoping to buy lower) rather than fear.
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
December 25, 2014, 05:13:43 PM
Of course it's bullish but shhh don't jinx it. You're disturbing my buy orders.

It is bullish THAT it is not celebrated.
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
December 25, 2014, 04:40:05 PM
What will be the currency the CKG will be traded?

Do you need also XMR to play the game or is it possible just buy with BTC some CKG and then start playing (which actually supports BTC and CKG instead of solely XMR)?

CKG is an ingame resource and equity. You can only buy it with XMR ingame, and possibly in Poloniex also. Buying XMR with BTC is very easy.

So Poloniex is not going to add pairings of CKG/BTC but only CKG/XMR?

Either way you still need XMR to play the game (unless you want to wait for the very slow accumulation of free CKG to give you a very, very small accumulation of free XMR -- like a faucet).
sr. member
Activity: 471
Merit: 250
December 25, 2014, 04:34:00 PM
Of course it's bullish but shhh don't jinx it. You're disturbing my buy orders.
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
December 25, 2014, 04:27:33 PM
I'm wondering how can XMR rise +50% without there being a big uumph about it?

To me, this is extremely bullish. Sharp and strong rise, with no hype whatsoever, people apathetic  Huh

Do you believe the rise will not be able to make anyone interested? Well, I don't think so. On the contrary, only a dump to the new lows in a timeframe of a week or so can make the train stop anymore. To get to 0.0009, about 132,000 XMR is needed.
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
December 25, 2014, 01:33:37 PM
Crypto-Kingdom development.

Crypto-Kingdom development is ongoing of course. The quarry subgame has been a great success and a preview of future engaging subgames. It was recently noted that the CK is on the third page of most viewed threads of all time in the alt area, and the thread is very active, so this ranking is sure to move higher.

There is a hint of a market-relevant development in one of the latest status reports.

We confirm the rumor that the distant land of Polonia has an exchange where some of our gold might be listed. If it happens, it will be timed to coincide around the release of V.4 playable online version, and the condition is that the existing characters transfer some of their gold there with the intention to sell it. Otherwise the liquidity will not be meaningful.

How do you see this affects on XMR if CKG is listed? Isn't it a competitor to XMR?

I don't think it is a competitor at all. To me it looks more like equity than a currency.

As for why it might be positive for XMR, that is indirect. Floating CKG might enormously increase exposure of the game, and the game is pretty much the only actual use for XMR right now. So I view this as CKG float -> game exposure -> XMR use and exposure -> XMR demand.



Hmm..
What will be the currency the CKG will be traded?

Do you need also XMR to play the game or is it possible just buy with BTC some CKG and then start playing (which actually supports BTC and CKG instead of solely XMR)?

There is a bit of confusion since it seems "gold" is referring to the historical use of gold as a currency, but that's not really the case.

The main in-game currency is moneritos, which are one millionth of an XMR. Gold is a special "rare" asset, not the currency. Gold pays dividends in moneritos (also stone, but I understand that will end), derived from the surplus of the game itself (from taxes, fees, etc.). Gold is required (or at least helpful) in the game to "level up" to higher ranks. In the upcoming version of the game, you will earn a tiny amount of gold for free by playing, but if you want more you will have to buy it, either in-game or perhaps in the distant kingdom of Polonia.


legendary
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December 25, 2014, 07:31:48 AM
i would certainly move some gold to polo and put some nice asks in the oder book Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
December 25, 2014, 07:15:11 AM
What will be the currency the CKG will be traded?

Do you need also XMR to play the game or is it possible just buy with BTC some CKG and then start playing (which actually supports BTC and CKG instead of solely XMR)?

CKG is an ingame resource and equity. You can only buy it with XMR ingame, and possibly in Poloniex also. Buying XMR with BTC is very easy.

So Poloniex is not going to add pairings of CKG/BTC but only CKG/XMR?

that would be nice Cheesy

Yup.
Otherwise it probably supports more bitcoin's demand than xmr since more people in Poloniex own btc than xmr.

BTC doesn't need that much support anymore since it is relatively established. Monero isn't yet.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
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December 25, 2014, 07:05:48 AM
What will be the currency the CKG will be traded?

Do you need also XMR to play the game or is it possible just buy with BTC some CKG and then start playing (which actually supports BTC and CKG instead of solely XMR)?

CKG is an ingame resource and equity. You can only buy it with XMR ingame, and possibly in Poloniex also. Buying XMR with BTC is very easy.

So Poloniex is not going to add pairings of CKG/BTC but only CKG/XMR?

that would be nice Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
December 25, 2014, 06:57:27 AM
What will be the currency the CKG will be traded?

Do you need also XMR to play the game or is it possible just buy with BTC some CKG and then start playing (which actually supports BTC and CKG instead of solely XMR)?

CKG is an ingame resource and equity. You can only buy it with XMR ingame, and possibly in Poloniex also. Buying XMR with BTC is very easy.

So Poloniex is not going to add pairings of CKG/BTC but only CKG/XMR?
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
December 25, 2014, 06:54:31 AM
What will be the currency the CKG will be traded?

Do you need also XMR to play the game or is it possible just buy with BTC some CKG and then start playing (which actually supports BTC and CKG instead of solely XMR)?

CKG is an ingame resource and equity. You can only buy it with XMR ingame, and possibly in Poloniex also. Buying XMR with BTC is very easy.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
December 25, 2014, 05:54:46 AM
Crypto-Kingdom development.

Crypto-Kingdom development is ongoing of course. The quarry subgame has been a great success and a preview of future engaging subgames. It was recently noted that the CK is on the third page of most viewed threads of all time in the alt area, and the thread is very active, so this ranking is sure to move higher.

There is a hint of a market-relevant development in one of the latest status reports.

We confirm the rumor that the distant land of Polonia has an exchange where some of our gold might be listed. If it happens, it will be timed to coincide around the release of V.4 playable online version, and the condition is that the existing characters transfer some of their gold there with the intention to sell it. Otherwise the liquidity will not be meaningful.

How do you see this affects on XMR if CKG is listed? Isn't it a competitor to XMR?

I don't think it is a competitor at all. To me it looks more like equity than a currency.

As for why it might be positive for XMR, that is indirect. Floating CKG might enormously increase exposure of the game, and the game is pretty much the only actual use for XMR right now. So I view this as CKG float -> game exposure -> XMR use and exposure -> XMR demand.



Hmm..
What will be the currency the CKG will be traded?

Do you need also XMR to play the game or is it possible just buy with BTC some CKG and then start playing (which actually supports BTC and CKG instead of solely XMR)?

legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
December 25, 2014, 04:12:39 AM
Crypto-Kingdom development.

Crypto-Kingdom development is ongoing of course. The quarry subgame has been a great success and a preview of future engaging subgames. It was recently noted that the CK is on the third page of most viewed threads of all time in the alt area, and the thread is very active, so this ranking is sure to move higher.

There is a hint of a market-relevant development in one of the latest status reports.

We confirm the rumor that the distant land of Polonia has an exchange where some of our gold might be listed. If it happens, it will be timed to coincide around the release of V.4 playable online version, and the condition is that the existing characters transfer some of their gold there with the intention to sell it. Otherwise the liquidity will not be meaningful.

How do you see this affects on XMR if CKG is listed? Isn't it a competitor to XMR?

I don't think it is a competitor at all. To me it looks more like equity than a currency.

As for why it might be positive for XMR, that is indirect. Floating CKG might enormously increase exposure of the game, and the game is pretty much the only actual use for XMR right now. So I view this as CKG float -> game exposure -> XMR use and exposure -> XMR demand.

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