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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 2113. (Read 3313076 times)

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November 24, 2014, 07:03:49 AM
Whats the point?

He's not the FBI so he can't write an Email to Amazon, DO and whatever masternode hoster and force them to give them access to the servers.
Nor does he have money to waste for such stuff; your arguments are simply invalid as you can't compare a forum user here to a powerful attacker.


On the other hand, you might as well ask DRK guys to trace a Darkwallet transaction and question them if BTC isn't enough....

PS: If you are really interested in the cn ringsignatures stuff you might read for example this from gmaxwell: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7765455 - i am still not sure if you are just trolling and provoking or...whatever.

Is BTC not enough? Darkwallet transactions will suffice until a mergmined cryptonote sidechain with superior liquidity replaces it. Why must there be an altcoin to provide privacy? Merely to make you rich?


the question you should ask is about the elasticity of the utility curve of privacy - I have assumptions regarding that and that is why I think monero is the big thing

edit: even if he is trolling, his questions are valid - we do not know if bitcoins privacy is enough, neither do we know if darkcoins privacy is enough, it is about the utility of privacy.
legendary
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November 24, 2014, 07:01:04 AM

I agree with othe it is time to end this discussion here.

The main issue is that you, jehst, are clearly anti-Monero trolling with the various shifting claims (and adding nothing new that hasn't been said 100 times) from challenging Monero supporters to decode Darkcoin transactions to Dark Wallet and now sidechains.

Please take it elsewhere. There is a general Monero discussion thread and various free-for-all threads where trolling, even though still pathological, is at least arguably on topic. On this thread about price speculation and trading, it is not.
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November 24, 2014, 06:56:34 AM
I think we should end the discussion here, as you already said, all you do is wait for others to do the work  - then wait till sidechains will come out - if ever; we already had nice inventions like Stealthaddresses who never made it into the main client.
I give u a tip, privacy can't be archived if its not standard; if not every user uses it by default its simply bad.

If only 0.5 % of BTC users use your fancy sidechain its totally pointless as it doesnt have a sufficient anonymity set.
Darkwallet is the same problem, no normal people use it so far.

Why an Altcoin? I don't know prolly because the Ringsig stuff can't be integrated into the main Bitcoin chain without a lot of trouble technically and politically? Maybe because we have no sidechains so far? And even if we did it would have a shitton of drawbacks to a native protocol?

And why should i get rich here? All i do is spend time and money because its an interesting technology, but people like you prolly won't get that.
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November 24, 2014, 06:09:42 AM
Whats the point?

He's not the FBI so he can't write an Email to Amazon, DO and whatever masternode hoster and force them to give them access to the servers.
Nor does he have money to waste for such stuff; your arguments are simply invalid as you can't compare a forum user here to a powerful attacker.


On the other hand, you might as well ask DRK guys to trace a Darkwallet transaction and question them if BTC isn't enough....

PS: If you are really interested in the cn ringsignatures stuff you might read for example this from gmaxwell: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7765455 - i am still not sure if you are just trolling and provoking or...whatever.

Is BTC not enough? Darkwallet transactions will suffice until a mergmined cryptonote sidechain with superior liquidity replaces it. Why must there be an altcoin to provide privacy? Merely to make you rich?
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November 24, 2014, 05:59:35 AM
Whats the point?

He's not the FBI so he can't write an Email to Amazon, DO and whatever masternode hoster and force them to give them access to the servers.
Nor does he have money to waste for such stuff; your arguments are simply invalid as you can't compare a forum user here to a powerful attacker.


On the other hand, you might as well ask DRK guys to trace a Darkwallet transaction and question them if BTC isn't enough....

PS: If you are really interested in the cn ringsignatures stuff you might read for example this from gmaxwell: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7765455 - i am still not sure if you are just trolling and provoking or...whatever.
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November 24, 2014, 05:53:20 AM
If you guys want Monero to be the #1 anonymous currency and you truly believe that Darkcoin is too centralized, then I suggest you attempt to show that Darkcoin transactions are traceable.
A look at the masternode list and in particular the distrubtion of hosting providers should be enough for everybody to see it right away.

No, I mean that you should unveil someone's transaction and show the world how easy it is to compromise the system. Buy some masternodes and bringen Sie die Wahrheit ans Licht.

That's like saying "if you think Galileo was so clever, why don't you go up to the moon with a feather and a hammer and prove it."

I'm sure that somebody will one day, but it's un-necessary. Everyone knew what was going to happen on the moon before it even happened, simply because the theory was sound.

Same thing applies.

Darkcoin is not an anonymous currency. Period.

Now please let's stick to the topic of the thread.



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November 24, 2014, 05:18:34 AM
If you guys want Monero to be the #1 anonymous currency and you truly believe that Darkcoin is too centralized, then I suggest you attempt to show that Darkcoin transactions are traceable.
A look at the masternode list and in particular the distrubtion of hosting providers should be enough for everybody to see it right away.

No, I mean that you should unveil someone's transaction and show the world how easy it is to compromise the system. Buy some masternodes and bringen Sie die Wahrheit ans Licht.
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November 24, 2014, 04:39:00 AM
If you guys want Monero to be the #1 anonymous currency ...

Monero already is the #1 anonymous currency.
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November 24, 2014, 12:40:27 AM
If you guys want Monero to be the #1 anonymous currency and you truly believe that Darkcoin is too centralized, then I suggest you attempt to show that Darkcoin transactions are traceable.
A look at the masternode list and in particular the distrubtion of hosting providers should be enough for everybody to see it right away.
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November 23, 2014, 11:44:25 PM
If you guys want Monero to be the #1 anonymous currency and you truly believe that Darkcoin is too centralized, then I suggest you attempt to show that Darkcoin transactions are traceable.
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November 23, 2014, 09:06:25 PM
Subbed.
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November 22, 2014, 06:23:01 PM
Just came here to say mad props to the core dev team. You guys are rockstars in my eyes. Monero is truly amazing technology and It has a very bright future.
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AGREE
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November 22, 2014, 01:06:23 PM
Just came here to say mad props to the core dev team. You guys are rockstars in my eyes. Monero is truly amazing technology and It has a very bright future.
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November 22, 2014, 08:10:07 AM
The dev is good, but the price is dropping.
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November 21, 2014, 05:58:36 PM
Just came here to say mad props to the core dev team. You guys are rockstars in my eyes. Monero is truly amazing technology and It has a very bright future.
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November 21, 2014, 04:38:03 PM
plus it's a f***** currency.  

i don't think people get this - i don't think any of us can.  but for currency to take off we have to be insanely careful how funds are raised / spent.  running an open source curerncy like a business ... you get bobsurplus, prom3theus and blocknet

that might be bad. amirite?

well decide for urself.  I had bobsurplus telling me he was a moral daisy the other day.  and of course prome3thus doesn't even know what the term honest means and thinks it's probably just an extra word in the dictionary.

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November 21, 2014, 04:35:05 PM
plus it's a f***** currency.  

i don't think people get this - i don't think any of us can.  but for currency to take off we have to be insanely careful how funds are raised / spent.  running an open source curerncy like a business ... you get bobsurplus, prom3theus and blocknet

that might be bad. amirite?
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November 21, 2014, 03:50:19 PM
plus it's a f***** currency.  

i don't think people get this - i don't think any of us can.  but for currency to take off we have to be insanely careful how funds are raised / spent.  running an open source curerncy like a business ... you get bobsurplus, prom3theus and blocknet
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Still wild and free
November 21, 2014, 03:50:15 PM
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Why should I give money for free?
I will rather get (passive) income from my moneros instead of just donating.

When I read that I was also amazed. He just entered my personal category of assholes. I almost clicked ignore out of disgust for this kind of thoughts.

Confusing an open source project with a business is just terribly wrong. Seriously, acting like that in front of the persons giving a lot of their time and knowledge, for free, is harsh. I wish he sell quick and stop commenting on this project, whose human and ideological standards are apparently way too high for him.

I'm sure 99% of the serious holders are extremely grateful to the core team and to anybody giving something to Monero at large. Thank you guys, don't get pissed because of this kind of dumb comments, they don't deserve it! Smiley
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November 21, 2014, 03:38:04 PM
Investors dont give a fuck how much a coin is mined, only miners will, it makes no difference for investors and regular users.
Later users will prolly even like it that there's not a lot of inflation anymore...

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In general I do not believe in donations, the money should be collected in a way like any other business does.
Name me one person who wants to work for free? If there are no people working for free why should I give my money just as donations?

We aren't a fucking business and i quote Gavin Andresen now:
"Do not treat the core development team as if we were a commercial company that sold you a software library. That is not how open source works; if you are making a profit using the software, you are expected to help develop, debug, test, and review it.”

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Also I agree still that a coin needs more users than me + Risto - what's the problem?

How dare are you dude? All other people here don' t count or what? Something is certainly wrong with you.

And don't compare yourself to Risto, because Risto HELPS AND DOES SOMETHING.

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Yes, Satoshi worked for free but I guess he was doing it more as experimental than serious investment/money maker.

And you think we earn cash here working on XMR!?!??!
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