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November 21, 2017, 07:24:48 AM
Speculation:  Bitcoin crashes when futures go live.  The altcoin rubber-band effect means XMR USD price goes higher initially, several days, then follows BTC down. 

What's the reasoning behind the idea that BTC futures will go down? I get the rest of it.

You can sell futures without borrowing BTC.  If you sell enough, the spot market will follow the futures down as arbitrageurs buy the futures and sell at spot.  If you want to accumulate a lot of BTC step 1 is to push the price down as far as possible. And keep pushing until you are full.  Indeed you might simultaneously go short on the margin markets, and cover both at your preferred bottom. Futures have been used to suppress hard money pricing for decades.

Futures markets often end up being far bigger and more important than the actual market they are based upon.  So this is entirely possible, even likely.  I have a hedge fund manager friend who pointed this out and told me that it was what the market (they) had been waiting for to get in.

So this Bitcoin Future is a bad thing ? In what time period we are talking ?

Futures are like margin trading. So shorting or longing Bitcoin. It already exist but not on wall street.   Futures should help stabilize price of Bitcoin so we should not see +10% and -10% a day movements.  but ofcourse it will not stabilize first day. It will push price up a lot and then, might even take years will be huge crash and after that quiet stable price will be found.


After price will stabilize we will get is Bitcoin that will not attract people with x10 price in a year anymore. 90% people now are attracted only by this reason. New people coming after that in Bitcoin will be interested because of technology.


aha , thx a lot for explaining. so thats not so good for monero as well... i hope it takes years for that to happen. i really want to see XMR go 1000 usd Smiley , or that can only be in my wildest dreams? )
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November 21, 2017, 07:21:05 AM
Speculation:  Bitcoin crashes when futures go live.  The altcoin rubber-band effect means XMR USD price goes higher initially, several days, then follows BTC down. 

What's the reasoning behind the idea that BTC futures will go down? I get the rest of it.

You can sell futures without borrowing BTC.  If you sell enough, the spot market will follow the futures down as arbitrageurs buy the futures and sell at spot.  If you want to accumulate a lot of BTC step 1 is to push the price down as far as possible. And keep pushing until you are full.  Indeed you might simultaneously go short on the margin markets, and cover both at your preferred bottom. Futures have been used to suppress hard money pricing for decades.

Futures markets often end up being far bigger and more important than the actual market they are based upon.  So this is entirely possible, even likely.  I have a hedge fund manager friend who pointed this out and told me that it was what the market (they) had been waiting for to get in.

So this Bitcoin Future is a bad thing ? In what time period we are talking ?

Futures are like margin trading. So shorting or longing Bitcoin. It already exist but not on wall street.   Futures should help stabilize price of Bitcoin so we should not see +10% and -10% a day movements.  but ofcourse it will not stabilize first day. It will push price up a lot and then, might even take years will be huge crash and after that quiet stable price will be found.


After price will stabilize we will get is Bitcoin that will not attract people with x10 price in a year anymore. 90% people now are attracted only by this reason. New people coming after that in Bitcoin will be interested because of technology.
sr. member
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November 21, 2017, 06:33:56 AM
Speculation:  Bitcoin crashes when futures go live.  The altcoin rubber-band effect means XMR USD price goes higher initially, several days, then follows BTC down. 

What's the reasoning behind the idea that BTC futures will go down? I get the rest of it.

You can sell futures without borrowing BTC.  If you sell enough, the spot market will follow the futures down as arbitrageurs buy the futures and sell at spot.  If you want to accumulate a lot of BTC step 1 is to push the price down as far as possible. And keep pushing until you are full.  Indeed you might simultaneously go short on the margin markets, and cover both at your preferred bottom. Futures have been used to suppress hard money pricing for decades.

Futures markets often end up being far bigger and more important than the actual market they are based upon.  So this is entirely possible, even likely.  I have a hedge fund manager friend who pointed this out and told me that it was what the market (they) had been waiting for to get in.

So this Bitcoin Future is a bad thing ? In what time period we are talking ?
legendary
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November 21, 2017, 05:14:05 AM
Speculation:  Bitcoin crashes when futures go live.  The altcoin rubber-band effect means XMR USD price goes higher initially, several days, then follows BTC down. 

What's the reasoning behind the idea that BTC futures will go down? I get the rest of it.

You can sell futures without borrowing BTC.  If you sell enough, the spot market will follow the futures down as arbitrageurs buy the futures and sell at spot.  If you want to accumulate a lot of BTC step 1 is to push the price down as far as possible. And keep pushing until you are full.  Indeed you might simultaneously go short on the margin markets, and cover both at your preferred bottom. Futures have been used to suppress hard money pricing for decades.

Futures markets often end up being far bigger and more important than the actual market they are based upon.  So this is entirely possible, even likely.  I have a hedge fund manager friend who pointed this out and told me that it was what the market (they) had been waiting for to get in.
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Chosŏn Minjujuŭi Inmin Konghwaguk
November 21, 2017, 05:14:03 AM
Monero tumbles down the rankings

https://www.coingecko.com/en

Subjective opinion - is 'community' a measurable metric to be trusted?  I never understood how coingecko worked it out.
shills/bullshit*100
legendary
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November 21, 2017, 05:10:05 AM
Monero tumbles down the rankings

https://www.coingecko.com/en

Subjective opinion - is 'community' a measurable metric to be trusted?  I never understood how coingecko worked it out.
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November 21, 2017, 04:51:48 AM
Monero tumbles down the rankings

https://www.coingecko.com/en
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
November 21, 2017, 12:37:37 AM
Speculation:  Bitcoin crashes when futures go live.  The altcoin rubber-band effect means XMR USD price goes higher initially, several days, then follows BTC down. 

What's the reasoning behind the idea that BTC futures will go down? I get the rest of it.

You can sell futures without borrowing BTC.  If you sell enough, the spot market will follow the futures down as arbitrageurs buy the futures and sell at spot.  If you want to accumulate a lot of BTC step 1 is to push the price down as far as possible. And keep pushing until you are full.  Indeed you might simultaneously go short on the margin markets, and cover both at your preferred bottom. Futures have been used to suppress hard money pricing for decades.

So, it is a self fulfilling prophecy. How much capitol would this take to get that ball rolling do you think? Where would the tipping point be?
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
November 20, 2017, 10:12:57 PM
Speculation:  Bitcoin crashes when futures go live.  The altcoin rubber-band effect means XMR USD price goes higher initially, several days, then follows BTC down. 

What's the reasoning behind the idea that BTC futures will go down? I get the rest of it.

You can sell futures without borrowing BTC.  If you sell enough, the spot market will follow the futures down as arbitrageurs buy the futures and sell at spot.  If you want to accumulate a lot of BTC step 1 is to push the price down as far as possible. And keep pushing until you are full.  Indeed you might simultaneously go short on the margin markets, and cover both at your preferred bottom. Futures have been used to suppress hard money pricing for decades.
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
November 20, 2017, 09:39:54 PM
we are at 0.0164 and holding on OK.

Bitcoin just keeps on marching forward now over 8K (8047.96) wow, the pullback there looms larger and larger but it doesn't ever seem to come.

What are the thoughts on the 2 relative prices? hoping for a bit of elastic between the 2

Edit - Latest Master Luke comment - "We go for 20k on the corpses of bears."

That's still a big push for BTC, still seems more believable than just a few months ago.



Monero bullish while BTC is like this is amazing...

It can't go on forever of course without some correction, but it's really hard to take any profit out when it looks so rosy and just keeps climbing!

Yeah, it is a little insane. When it's going to retract who knows, it seems like we keep seeing fake out retracts and for that there has to be huge players in the game.

Monero mentioned on CNBC Africa as coin with biggest potential with emphasis on corporate use for transactional privacy:

https://youtu.be/eKjnOi9BUiY?t=2m59s

Meh, some pundit in his living room and he says zcash and dash as well. I'm not putting any weight behind that blurb. Lol


Was that you keeping keeping the price depressed the last few months? Oh wait, your a hacked account you can't answer for him.

In last couple months there was traded $5 Billions of Monero. You expect there is someone here who can  depress  Monero price? This is not 2014 anymore.  And I doubt Saudis or Rothschild's care for crypto much. 
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Alot of people don't get my jokes. Tongue
I really not understand yours jokes. What's the funny things here ?  Huh

It is obvious that AP could not keep the market down even if he wanted and also that this is not even him that I was talking too. Tongue



$1,000 by the end of 2018 looks to be a conservative expectation.

No-one in their right mind would believe this. Smiley

What's with the names in here. I already saw a wankalone mentioned. Now I see a garytheasshole. What's next?
I love Monero for the record.

Then you would love Aeon too, I assure you. Join our campaign. Your virgin signature space needs loosening up.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/aeon-voluntary-signature-campaign-1984281

Monero and Aeon are practically brothers sired by none other than Smooth himself.

No shilling allowed.

On the internet, nobody hears your jolly tone of voice or sees the twinkle in your eye.  If you're using dry humor it's impossible to tell that it's a joke.
Next time put a clown face.

Yeah, I tend to forget that. But those that read most of my posts should see the facetiousness of the vast majority of my posts. Tongue

When we see Bitcoin going up and Monero stays pegged to bitcoin is just matter of time when we will see new USD ATH.   I know there are more ways to tell ATH. I just use coinmarketcap price from 28th August. showing Monero was $154.58.

So when do you guys think we will pass that?

As soon as I sell 1 I bought @ .03 Cheesy

Xmr has been rising faster than btc since October ended walonek started throwing insults.

Fixed that.

Hah! always fun to correct yourself. Smiley
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November 20, 2017, 08:08:53 PM
Speculation:  Bitcoin crashes when futures go live.  The altcoin rubber-band effect means XMR USD price goes higher initially, several days, then follows BTC down. 

What's the reasoning behind the idea that BTC futures will go down? I get the rest of it.
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November 20, 2017, 05:49:22 PM
https://www.coindesk.com/cmes-bitcoin-futures-likely-start-trading-december-11/

On the right hand side of this article on Coindesk, there is a survey asking for your vote on:

'Which cryptocurrency would you use to send a transaction you did not want anyone to know anything about?'

Monero is an option and it's second.  Not to Zcash, or (heaven forbid) Dash, but to Bitcoin - this is probably just noob ignorance, a lot of new people around...

I actually think it's good to see that without huge marketing we are getting the message out better than the false claimants to the privacy throne, even if a lot of less aware people still think Bitcoin is 'secret'.

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Bitcoin (36%, 21,641 Votes)
Monero (24%, 14,675 Votes)
Ether (14%, 8,697 Votes)
Zcash (11%, 6,408 Votes)
Other (10%, 5,767 Votes)
Dash (5%, 3,042 Votes)

Since Monero is more secure than BTC and when people get to know that, the price will be soaring and soaring. I think the results of voting shows that Monero still have a lot of potential to grow! To the moon! Grin
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Facts are more efficient than fud
November 20, 2017, 05:43:26 PM
https://www.coindesk.com/cmes-bitcoin-futures-likely-start-trading-december-11/

On the right hand side of this article on Coindesk, there is a survey asking for your vote on:

'Which cryptocurrency would you use to send a transaction you did not want anyone to know anything about?'

Monero is an option and it's second.  Not to Zcash, or (heaven forbid) Dash, but to Bitcoin - this is probably just noob ignorance, a lot of new people around...

I actually think it's good to see that without huge marketing we are getting the message out better than the false claimants to the privacy throne, even if a lot of less aware people still think Bitcoin is 'secret'.

I think the people who need to know, know--the wave has yet to reach those in the shallow end.
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Chosŏn Minjujuŭi Inmin Konghwaguk
November 20, 2017, 05:33:55 PM
https://www.coindesk.com/cmes-bitcoin-futures-likely-start-trading-december-11/

On the right hand side of this article on Coindesk, there is a survey asking for your vote on:

'Which cryptocurrency would you use to send a transaction you did not want anyone to know anything about?'

Monero is an option and it's second.  Not to Zcash, or (heaven forbid) Dash, but to Bitcoin - this is probably just noob ignorance, a lot of new people around...

I actually think it's good to see that without huge marketing we are getting the message out better than the false claimants to the privacy throne, even if a lot of less aware people still think Bitcoin is 'secret'.

Quote
Bitcoin (36%, 21,641 Votes)
Monero (24%, 14,675 Votes)
Ether (14%, 8,697 Votes)
Zcash (11%, 6,408 Votes)
Other (10%, 5,767 Votes)
Dash (5%, 3,042 Votes)
legendary
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November 20, 2017, 05:19:37 PM
https://www.coindesk.com/cmes-bitcoin-futures-likely-start-trading-december-11/

On the right hand side of this article on Coindesk, there is a survey asking for your vote on:

'Which cryptocurrency would you use to send a transaction you did not want anyone to know anything about?'

Monero is an option and it's second.  Not to Zcash, or (heaven forbid) Dash, but to Bitcoin - this is probably just noob ignorance, a lot of new people around...

I actually think it's good to see that without huge marketing we are getting the message out better than the false claimants to the privacy throne, even if a lot of less aware people still think Bitcoin is 'secret'.
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November 20, 2017, 04:15:11 PM
Guys, what do u think of the so called " crypto bubble " , i hear so much about the bubble the last 6 months... i have to admid , i fear the bursting bubble a bit but on the other hand,
i cant seem to believe it will burst already ... more and more people see btc or crypto as a safe haven ... in my opinion i think it all has to begin yet ...

any other opinions?

yeah besides the moneygrabbing scamcoins and ICOs this is not the usually some company/commidity goes to XXX and because of that its a bubble... this could be disruptive technology that changes the way people around the globe pay for stuff or transact money... don't thin you can compare it to the usual things that can bubble... like anon said ... for the thing it is looking out to do way to few people still know about or use it.
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November 20, 2017, 04:14:43 PM
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https://twitter.com/RonnieMoas/status/931931078306287617
Ronnie Moas‏ @RonnieMoas

$XMR #Monero now up 50% for us ... sign up at http://www.standpointresearch.com  for my 2017-2018 service and I will send you my 29-page report on Monero. [...]

Anyone has this report and willing to share? Would be curious to read what it is about (even though I dislike the salesmen attitude in the second part of the tweet).
legendary
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November 20, 2017, 03:51:21 PM

If you were here a year or so ago and can remember seeing Bitcoin in three figures, you are probably a little avant garde compared to the great mass of people on this planet...

Or 3 years ago Smiley

N00bs. Smiley

How long are u in ? :d

Anon was really early - 2010.

Jeez, I am a noob compared to that.

Back then the faucet gave out a bitcoin. Cheesy

And it was four (calendar) years before Monero debuted on Polo.... I guess persistence pays, eh?

Post-Gox was a sort of Dark Age, watching BTC go down to sub $200 over 2014/15.

I never imagined getting to here. 
legendary
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November 20, 2017, 03:35:51 PM

If you were here a year or so ago and can remember seeing Bitcoin in three figures, you are probably a little avant garde compared to the great mass of people on this planet...

Or 3 years ago Smiley

N00bs. Smiley

How long are u in ? :d

Anon was really early - 2010.

Jeez, I am a noob compared to that.

Back then the faucet gave out a bitcoin. Cheesy
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