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September 19, 2017, 02:57:27 PM

I hate to bring the other side of the coin here but it needs to be considered.

I agree with this analysis, and I am excited in general.  And have donated more than I have to any other project so far.

But if the deal goes south, or this fails becaused of any reason it will deliver a SERIOUS blow to the image of Monero.  I hope they know what they are doing.  

Asking the community for 4500XMR (currently nearly a half mil USD) and then not delivering would be devastating image wise.


You're right, there's always downside-risk to anything *but* I don't feel like it's quite as bad as you're thinking.

If it fails, the failure will likely be mostly limited to being visible to the Monero community: I mean, if the project flops then by definition it sort of means nobody outside in the real world saw it or benefitted from it, right?  So what the world is unaware of at all, cannot damage their perception of it...

The upside of positive visibility to the world-at-large, versus risk of the downside of "yet another marketing failure" (*cough*Jaxx*cough*) to be endured by the long-suffering but still relatively tiny Monero Community seems pretty acceptable to me.

Also keep in mind that this is "just" 450000 bucks today ... i say just because yeah it sounds like a lot... but alone all those steps to do the legal stuff, integration, development of tools is pretty cheap for 450000 ... and we didnt even consider the PR effect alone this could bring ... be it a retailer for slips, shoes, pampers or used condoms :p 450000 $ is a joke for good marketing

It's actually $900,000. $450,000 is the amount required of the FFS.

  IF it is successful enough to repay, it is going to do so in a currency valued probably 10x or more higher...  This also makes it harder to repay.  I don't know where the balance lies, so maybe someone with the time on their hands will do some thinking on that, and get back to us.  Wink
a dumb question but i've been away for a month. what did i miss? what are you guys talking about?

EDIT:
nevermind. found it Smiley
legendary
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September 19, 2017, 01:04:02 PM

I hate to bring the other side of the coin here but it needs to be considered.

I agree with this analysis, and I am excited in general.  And have donated more than I have to any other project so far.

But if the deal goes south, or this fails becaused of any reason it will deliver a SERIOUS blow to the image of Monero.  I hope they know what they are doing.  

Asking the community for 4500XMR (currently nearly a half mil USD) and then not delivering would be devastating image wise.


You're right, there's always downside-risk to anything *but* I don't feel like it's quite as bad as you're thinking.

If it fails, the failure will likely be mostly limited to being visible to the Monero community: I mean, if the project flops then by definition it sort of means nobody outside in the real world saw it or benefitted from it, right?  So what the world is unaware of at all, cannot damage their perception of it...

The upside of positive visibility to the world-at-large, versus risk of the downside of "yet another marketing failure" (*cough*Jaxx*cough*) to be endured by the long-suffering but still relatively tiny Monero Community seems pretty acceptable to me.

Also keep in mind that this is "just" 450000 bucks today ... i say just because yeah it sounds like a lot... but alone all those steps to do the legal stuff, integration, development of tools is pretty cheap for 450000 ... and we didnt even consider the PR effect alone this could bring ... be it a retailer for slips, shoes, pampers or used condoms :p 450000 $ is a joke for good marketing

It's actually $900,000. $450,000 is the amount required of the FFS.

  IF it is successful enough to repay, it is going to do so in a currency valued probably 10x or more higher...  This also makes it harder to repay.  I don't know where the balance lies, so maybe someone with the time on their hands will do some thinking on that, and get back to us.  Wink
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September 19, 2017, 12:34:01 PM

I hate to bring the other side of the coin here but it needs to be considered.

I agree with this analysis, and I am excited in general.  And have donated more than I have to any other project so far.

But if the deal goes south, or this fails becaused of any reason it will deliver a SERIOUS blow to the image of Monero.  I hope they know what they are doing.  

Asking the community for 4500XMR (currently nearly a half mil USD) and then not delivering would be devastating image wise.


You're right, there's always downside-risk to anything *but* I don't feel like it's quite as bad as you're thinking.

If it fails, the failure will likely be mostly limited to being visible to the Monero community: I mean, if the project flops then by definition it sort of means nobody outside in the real world saw it or benefitted from it, right?  So what the world is unaware of at all, cannot damage their perception of it...

The upside of positive visibility to the world-at-large, versus risk of the downside of "yet another marketing failure" (*cough*Jaxx*cough*) to be endured by the long-suffering but still relatively tiny Monero Community seems pretty acceptable to me.

Also keep in mind that this is "just" 450000 bucks today ... i say just because yeah it sounds like a lot... but alone all those steps to do the legal stuff, integration, development of tools is pretty cheap for 450000 ... and we didnt even consider the PR effect alone this could bring ... be it a retailer for slips, shoes, pampers or used condoms :p 450000 $ is a joke for good marketing

It's actually $900,000. $450,000 is the amount required of the FFS.
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September 19, 2017, 12:00:48 PM

I hate to bring the other side of the coin here but it needs to be considered.

I agree with this analysis, and I am excited in general.  And have donated more than I have to any other project so far.

But if the deal goes south, or this fails becaused of any reason it will deliver a SERIOUS blow to the image of Monero.  I hope they know what they are doing.  

Asking the community for 4500XMR (currently nearly a half mil USD) and then not delivering would be devastating image wise.


You're right, there's always downside-risk to anything *but* I don't feel like it's quite as bad as you're thinking.

If it fails, the failure will likely be mostly limited to being visible to the Monero community: I mean, if the project flops then by definition it sort of means nobody outside in the real world saw it or benefitted from it, right?  So what the world is unaware of at all, cannot damage their perception of it...

The upside of positive visibility to the world-at-large, versus risk of the downside of "yet another marketing failure" (*cough*Jaxx*cough*) to be endured by the long-suffering but still relatively tiny Monero Community seems pretty acceptable to me.

Also keep in mind that this is "just" 450000 bucks today ... i say just because yeah it sounds like a lot... but alone all those steps to do the legal stuff, integration, development of tools is pretty cheap for 450000 ... and we didnt even consider the PR effect alone this could bring ... be it a retailer for slips, shoes, pampers or used condoms :p 450000 $ is a joke for good marketing
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September 19, 2017, 11:54:59 AM

Anyone here who has any idea what the xmr price is doing?

It kinda looks bullish and bearish all at once.

I'm guessing it will continue consolidating downwards until the next big catalyst leads to new all time highs. Community growth and new developments in mobile wallets, hardware wallets and tech (RuffCT) have me feeling very bullish long term.
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September 19, 2017, 11:41:04 AM

Anyone here who has any idea what the xmr price is doing?

It kinda looks bullish and bearish all at once.
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September 19, 2017, 11:17:51 AM

I hate to bring the other side of the coin here but it needs to be considered.

I agree with this analysis, and I am excited in general.  And have donated more than I have to any other project so far.

But if the deal goes south, or this fails becaused of any reason it will deliver a SERIOUS blow to the image of Monero.  I hope they know what they are doing.  

Asking the community for 4500XMR (currently nearly a half mil USD) and then not delivering would be devastating image wise.


You're right, there's always downside-risk to anything *but* I don't feel like it's quite as bad as you're thinking.

If it fails, the failure will likely be mostly limited to being visible to the Monero community: I mean, if the project flops then by definition it sort of means nobody outside in the real world saw it or benefitted from it, right?  So what the world is unaware of at all, cannot damage their perception of it...

The upside of positive visibility to the world-at-large, versus risk of the downside of "yet another marketing failure" (*cough*Jaxx*cough*) to be endured by the long-suffering but still relatively tiny Monero Community seems pretty acceptable to me.
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September 19, 2017, 11:10:12 AM
If Fluffy's new Monero project for Globee gets funded and succeeds as they hope, it'll go a long way towards erasing any lingering bad juju anyone may have for his little inadvertent pump & dump prank earlier this year.

I'm gonna pitch in a couple moneroj later today: this kind of thing "more marketing" is exactly what the naysayers have been naysaying for-frikkin-ever that Monero does not have, but NEEDS more of.

So at the very least, this project ought to shut them up a bit LOL

I hate to bring the other side of the coin here but it needs to be considered.

I agree with this analysis, and I am excited in general.  And have donated more than I have to any other project so far.

But if the deal goes south, or this fails becaused of any reason it will deliver a SERIOUS blow to the image of Monero.  I hope they know what they are doing. 

Asking the community for 4500XMR (currently nearly a half mil USD) and then not delivering would be devastating image wise.

By what measure, would you say, could it be deemed a failure?

Assuming that the funds are generated and that the project goes ahead i.e. that these global companies offer Monero as a currency, I think that would, in a big way, be a success. Whether profits are ever generated sufficient to either recoup Globee's investment and/or the Monero community, is another matter. From a purely trading point of view, I think such an arrangement (depending, of course, on just how big and 'global' these companies truly are) would generate tremendous publicity and speculative pumping.

I think the danger(s) might well be:

a)The project never gets off the ground despite raising sufficient monies
b)The companies involved generate little excitement among users
c)FP's reputation (and therefore, to a degree, Monero's) is compromised by his wearing two hats which might be in conflict with each other.
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September 19, 2017, 10:49:56 AM
If Fluffy's new Monero project for Globee gets funded and succeeds as they hope, it'll go a long way towards erasing any lingering bad juju anyone may have for his little inadvertent pump & dump prank earlier this year.

I'm gonna pitch in a couple moneroj later today: this kind of thing "more marketing" is exactly what the naysayers have been naysaying for-frikkin-ever that Monero does not have, but NEEDS more of.

So at the very least, this project ought to shut them up a bit LOL

I hate to bring the other side of the coin here but it needs to be considered.

I agree with this analysis, and I am excited in general.  And have donated more than I have to any other project so far.

But if the deal goes south, or this fails becaused of any reason it will deliver a SERIOUS blow to the image of Monero.  I hope they know what they are doing. 

Asking the community for 4500XMR (currently nearly a half mil USD) and then not delivering would be devastating image wise.
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September 19, 2017, 10:24:40 AM
haha you're right.

And damn that demission curve 2 posts above, seems crazy to sell before 2021 ?

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September 19, 2017, 10:20:27 AM
If Fluffy's new Monero project for Globee gets funded and succeeds as they hope, it'll go a long way towards erasing any lingering bad juju anyone may have for his little inadvertent pump & dump prank earlier this year.

I'm gonna pitch in a couple moneroj later today: this kind of thing "more marketing" is exactly what the naysayers have been naysaying for-frikkin-ever that Monero does not have, but NEEDS more of.

So at the very least, this project ought to shut them up a bit LOL
legendary
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September 19, 2017, 10:07:03 AM
If you read the FFS, it states that he will pay the other half needed with globee

Ah, shoot, thanks, missed that part. Still seems sort of "conflict-of -interesty", but then again, there are not a lot of rules here that matter anymore it seems... Tongue

I dont understand why. Everyone is free to build services that use Monero. It will not be fluffyponys first. He started Monerodice and MyMonero before Globee.



Is being the "face of Monero" a responsibility he asked for, or is it one you're assigning to him?

Inadvertently by his own posts and shenanigans, yes, he is currently the only "Face of monero" that I know of? & as the lead dev, should he not be?   Roll Eyes

Edit - Do you see anyone else giving presentations on Monero to blockchain conferences? Point made, thank you. ... Wink

Actually if you read last developers meting notes https://monerobase.com/wiki/DevMeeting_2017-09-17 you can see that luigi has stepped up to become Monero main maintainer.  

"Luigi1111 is moving from "backup maintainer" to "Lead Maintainer" on both the GUI and the Site. FluffyPony will move to backup maintainer on both."

" surae: yes, we're appointing luigi1111 as CTO (Chief Trolling Officer), whilst I focus on my role as CEO (Chief Entertainment Officer)"


I have never been so bullish on XMR like now.

  • Look at the reddit community, we have nearly 26k subscribers, 2500 online sometimes. Growing so fast.
  • Future technological upgrades and research from Monero lab are simply huge: I2P Kovri, Multisig, Lightwallets, RuffCT, maybe Zidechains and pruning
  • Real world integration with Fluffyponies FFS into market places which will present XMR to millions of users

Gentlemen, Monero is a highly active, undervalued project.
Add the decreasing emission to this and we will see prices around 500 USD not very far from now.
Emission schedule is curving sharply this year: http://imgur.com/a/De0G2

Daily mined XMR:

30.06.2014 23911 XMR
31.12.2014 17795 XMR
31.12.2015 10776 XMR
31.12.2016   6516 XMR
19.09.2017   4546 XMR
31.12.2017   3946 XMR
30.06.2018   3077 XMR
31.12.2018   2389 XMR
30.06.2019   1863 XMR
31.12.2019   1447 XMR
30.06.2020   1126 XMR
31.12.2020     875 XMR
30.06.2021     628 XMR
31.12.2021     529 XMR


legendary
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September 19, 2017, 10:04:36 AM
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You know that fluffypony is running globee? https://globee.com/about


Nope, had no clue. Apparently my google-fu failed me on this one. Smiley

Look at that he actually put a suit on for that shot! I guess he decided for his own business he would look professional but when the community sends him around it's ok to look like a slob.


i read somewhere about this quote btw...

Quote: "If you see fraud and don't shout fraud, you are a fraud"
  -- Nassim Taleb (author of The Black Swan and Antifragile; credit to opennux for the quote).

i dont know if it relevant tho... im just a noob
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September 19, 2017, 09:50:43 AM
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We have no leaders. No heroes. Only voices.

Fair enough. Smiley

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Well a FFS was just funded for a person that has been giving presentations all throughout Europe.  BTW this was the 3rd FFS that was funded all for relatively small amounts.

There is quite a bit going on in Monero but you won't know about it if you are only on bct

So where can we get a list of these places? AFA reddit goes I just cannot follow the conversations there with the posts all jumbled up. XMR started here and the main thread should be updated with all these developments you speak of. dEBRUYNE does a great job of dropping things like software updates and crowdfunding requests but the "quite a bit going on" should at least be linked in the main thread.



Obviously this should be the place but it isn't.
https://plus.google.com/+DavidLatapie/posts/9PxC9Xb5uzg
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So Long Bitcointalk, and Thanks for All the Phish

"Bitcointalk is not a good environment if we want serious discussion about Monero. That much should be obvious. At some point we have to start cutting the apron strings and disconnecting from Bitcoin, especially since we share few common goals and no common code. It would be unfair of us to force newcomers interested in Monero to dig through thousands of scamcoin, shill, and troll posts on bitcointalk to find the occasional gem of information."

"Additionally, you cannot possibly convince me that people needing help in running and using Monero should all gather in a single thread on a Bitcoin forum?? Nah, we've done our time here, there's no value in maintaining all the Monero threads on Bitcointalk. Anyone here who needs to know about Monero already does know about Monero;)"

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I'm going to crosspost this as it's strayed from speculation quite a bit.
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September 19, 2017, 07:16:50 AM
I was expecting that Monero would rise, so I got back in Monero couple days ago.
I think it may go much more higher and it is best timw to pump probably
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September 19, 2017, 06:20:00 AM
"predictions" made on sucked thumb

XMR price is in correlation with BTC, 250usd XMR will be something like 6k BTC -> unlikely in 2wks
get real, you will not be dissapoined when your expectations will be realistic

you obviously haven't played the markets for the last 4 years... coins spike with 0 correlation to BTC price as well as the normal trend lines following BTC.. XMR is hot right now and will rise.

yeah, right ... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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September 19, 2017, 05:02:34 AM
"predictions" made on sucked thumb

XMR price is in correlation with BTC, 250usd XMR will be something like 6k BTC -> unlikely in 2wks
get real, you will not be dissapoined when your expectations will be realistic

you obviously haven't played the markets for the last 4 years... coins spike with 0 correlation to BTC price as well as the normal trend lines following BTC.. XMR is hot right now and will rise.
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September 19, 2017, 04:06:25 AM
"predictions" made on sucked thumb

XMR price is in correlation with BTC, 250usd XMR will be something like 6k BTC -> unlikely in 2wks
get real, you will not be dissapoined when your expectations will be realistic
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September 19, 2017, 03:12:46 AM
Monero = $1000.00 USD Cool Very soon!
It's a matter of shame for Litecoin, LTC and XMR were both at the same level 2 months back, people were speculating that LTC will cross 100$ first that XMR but speculations failed. Now XMR to 500$ ?

$250 for month end is my call!
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September 19, 2017, 02:54:22 AM
Monero = $1000.00 USD Cool Very soon!
It's a matter of shame for Litecoin, LTC and XMR were both at the same level 2 months back, people were speculating that LTC will cross 100$ first that XMR but speculations failed. Now XMR to 500$ ?
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