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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 865. (Read 3314350 times)

legendary
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January 17, 2017, 03:31:59 PM
We're going up. Is it due to investors liking fluffypony's presentation at The North American Bitcoin Conference? Next destination for fluffypony is at the Satoshi Roundtable.

Also confirmation of Monero integration soon at Jaxx: https://twitter.com/jaxx_io/status/821398329368215552


https://twitter.com/SunnyStartups/status/821368001421279234

that is why - this is huge... with the round table and Jaxx this week.

when coinbase goes live as well we will moon... BTC early 2013 prices I hope
newbie
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January 17, 2017, 03:22:27 PM
We're going up. Is it due to CEOs/investors liking fluffypony's presentation at The North American Bitcoin Conference? Next destination for fluffypony is at the Satoshi Roundtable.

Also confirmation of Monero integration soon at Jaxx: https://twitter.com/jaxx_io/status/821398329368215552
legendary
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January 17, 2017, 11:25:00 AM
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Zcoin would be a huge improvement if it only copied Zcash. Where's the code for Gary Le's prior project, Moneta? I don't throw around these terms lightly; this is a classic example of repeatedly shoveling out vaporware. I hope for your sake that you're not invested in that insta-turd. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16515400 - I'd rather invest in DASH or GoxBTC.

same here, I'd never trust a guy that was able to get himself doxed like this http://archive.is/ZIcVN with developing a 'anonymous' coin...

wouldn't touch it with a ten feet pole, that one...

FWIW, Gary Le has been booted off Zcoin project due some kind of falling out, so I think it's just Poramin Insom developing now, not that Gary Le was developing before, afaik he is just like a hype man, but he's been severed from the project nevertheless. I still wouldn't touch it due to massive premine, but, just saying...

Ahh, that's entertaining news. I'll keep an eye out for Gary Le's next project scam. Even if Zcoin ends up producing code (doubtful), I'll be perfectly comfortable with not having touched it - the risk/reward ratio is just too high and the funds are likely to evaporate.
legendary
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January 17, 2017, 11:07:21 AM
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Zcoin would be a huge improvement if it only copied Zcash. Where's the code for Gary Le's prior project, Moneta? I don't throw around these terms lightly; this is a classic example of repeatedly shoveling out vaporware. I hope for your sake that you're not invested in that insta-turd. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16515400 - I'd rather invest in DASH or GoxBTC.

same here, I'd never trust a guy that was able to get himself doxed like this http://archive.is/ZIcVN with developing a 'anonymous' coin...

wouldn't touch it with a ten feet pole, that one...

FWIW, Gary Le has been booted off Zcoin project due some kind of falling out, so I think it's just Poramin Insom developing now, not that Gary Le was developing before, afaik he is just like a hype man, but he's been severed from the project nevertheless. I still wouldn't touch it due to massive premine, but, just saying...
sr. member
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January 17, 2017, 10:36:40 AM
Xmr is still in my opinion the best privacy coin,followed by SDC

DASH is flawed and zcash is a scam (imo)

We may retrace a bit for now  but I think $50 by the summer is realistic so stay calm and hodl  Cool


You forgot about ZCoin.

i didnt forget ,i just dont rate it at all.... a cheap copy of zookos scamcoin has no place in my portfolio

i also hold some NAVcoin because i like the project as well (its also a privacy based coin  and i think this wil only  become more importamt in the future ) http://navcoin.org/


zcoin is not a copy of zcash at all. It is a totally different protocol. Yes, somebody finally implemented the zerocoin protocol. You should do more research before shit-posting  totally incorrect things, as it makes you look like a fool. smh Zcoin isn't a copy of anything! LOL do you know anything about the coins you are trading??

Zcoin would be a huge improvement if it only copied Zcash. Where's the code for Gary Le's prior project, Moneta? I don't throw around these terms lightly; this is a classic example of repeatedly shoveling out vaporware. I hope for your sake that you're not invested in that insta-turd. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16515400 - I'd rather invest in DASH or GoxBTC.

same here, I'd never trust a guy that was able to get himself doxed like this http://archive.is/ZIcVN with developing a 'anonymous' coin...

wouldn't touch it with a ten feet pole, that one...
legendary
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January 17, 2017, 09:34:12 AM
Xmr is still in my opinion the best privacy coin,followed by SDC

DASH is flawed and zcash is a scam (imo)

We may retrace a bit for now  but I think $50 by the summer is realistic so stay calm and hodl  Cool


You forgot about ZCoin.

i didnt forget ,i just dont rate it at all.... a cheap copy of zookos scamcoin has no place in my portfolio

i also hold some NAVcoin because i like the project as well (its also a privacy based coin  and i think this wil only  become more importamt in the future ) http://navcoin.org/


zcoin is not a copy of zcash at all. It is a totally different protocol. Yes, somebody finally implemented the zerocoin protocol. You should do more research before shit-posting  totally incorrect things, as it makes you look like a fool. smh Zcoin isn't a copy of anything! LOL do you know anything about the coins you are trading??

Zcoin would be a huge improvement if it only copied Zcash. Where's the code for Gary Le's prior project, Moneta? I don't throw around these terms lightly; this is a classic example of repeatedly shoveling out vaporware. I hope for your sake that you're not invested in that insta-turd. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16515400 - I'd rather invest in DASH or GoxBTC.
legendary
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January 17, 2017, 09:27:39 AM
I am following the inflation rate of Monero but sadly probably the only relevant stat to me has been disappeared when coinmarketcap replaced the old statistic site with the current http://moneroblocks.info/
sr. member
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January 17, 2017, 08:34:58 AM
Anyone that has any understanding of the real world knows USD will be here far longer than we will. The largest military presence the world has ever know backs USD, It's pretty damn safe. The guy with the biggest stick makes the rules no matter how civilized we want to think we are.

don't agree, it's pretty obvious the reserve-currency status of the USD is being hollowed out by a new axis of countries who have only one choice: work together or be obedient to the US... China, Russia and Iran will work together more and more, more and more the USD will be shunned for international trade. Silk road 2.0, AIIB, SGE, ... bilateral oil-trades.

Where was the US-military in Syria btw? Right, it were the Russians who called the shots... US may have the biggest stick, it won't take on China, Russia and Iran together. In addition we might also see a pivot from Europe to Asia... If the US has no friends left, they can forget it... the unipolar world is finished.


USA will less try to do things on their own. Not saying they are doing it. But You cant expect that just everyone will gang against them. Also is hard to expect others will gang at all, but more likely oppose each other. What bothered me in your post most was Iran. Iran is not a huge force. And will less and less importance of Oil will be even less important. What I see most neglects is India. India will first become biggest country, then strongest economy and last strongest military. All this will happen in this century. Europe is still there, but losing power so as Japan. Upcoming countries are Brazil, Indonesia and Nigeria.



As said, I don't think the others have much choice, it's gang up or be bullied into obedient serfdom... Trump might try to become better friends with Russia, but who knows if that will work out... Tell me which friends are left for the USA? Even Europe is turning on them as I feel it, and rightly so, the Washington imposed Russian sanctions have only hurt Europe...
Iran is a force to be reckoned with in the Persian Gulf... There's also a difference: USA needs to use its naval power for offensive purposes. Tehran needs naval power exclusively for defensive purposes... so they (Russia, China, Tehran) build anti-ship, ant-aircraft and anti-ballistic systems... There's also technologytransfer between said countries, these defensive systems would face the USA with heavy losses... Only reason why Syria and Iran remain sovereign nations is because of the military cost that an invasion or bombing would have brought on the USA... the essence of deterrence...

You're right about India btw, but I don't know where their allegiance (will) lay, they're pretty neutral to me right now...

The chart you post is made up by a US-agency, you'll have to forgive me to not trust anything that comes from said agencies... one only needs to look at the US employmentdata produced by the BLS to know what kind of politicized bullshit said agencies produce... I might trust a chart of the current status, but the predictive capabilities of these agencies are so flawed and coloured that I'd trust my own belly before them... Look at what the IMF comes up with every year...
I also don't think that this chart can possibly incorporate 'black swan events' such as loss of reserve-currency-status...

But as always, only the future will tell who's (more) right...

best regards,
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January 17, 2017, 08:27:28 AM
Seems like Dash is finally catching up with Monero.

7   
Dash DASH
$97,121,967   $13.80948263   $13.1270   7,032,991   $4,789,840   9.96%   
Buy / Sell
5   
Monero XMR
$158,149,459   $11.48611848   $10.8506   13,768,747   $3,317,480   10.85%   
Buy / Sell
legendary
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Dumb broad
January 17, 2017, 08:11:43 AM
For the gentleman who was moaning that there wasn't enough speculation in this thread and LennyCarl, who erroneously thinks my speculative efforts are in any way accurate, I draw your attention to this thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161207.1500

Afrikoin is a lovely bloke who applies mathematic rigour and all sorts of TA to his speculations.  Yesterday, he said:
"We are going to $600s at some point soon. Definitely"

You may as well shoot the breeze about whatever topic you want as speculate what a cryptocoin will do in the future. Wink
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January 17, 2017, 08:07:01 AM
Anyone that has any understanding of the real world knows USD will be here far longer than we will. The largest military presence the world has ever know backs USD, It's pretty damn safe. The guy with the biggest stick makes the rules no matter how civilized we want to think we are.

don't agree, it's pretty obvious the reserve-currency status of the USD is being hollowed out by a new axis of countries who have only one choice: work together or be obedient to the US... China, Russia and Iran will work together more and more, more and more the USD will be shunned for international trade. Silk road 2.0, AIIB, SGE, ... bilateral oil-trades.

Where was the US-military in Syria btw? Right, it were the Russians who called the shots... US may have the biggest stick, it won't take on China, Russia and Iran together. In addition we might also see a pivot from Europe to Asia... If the US has no friends left, they can forget it... the unipolar world is finished.


USA will less try to do things on their own. Not saying they are doing it. But You cant expect that just everyone will gang against them. Also is hard to expect others will gang at all, but more likely oppose each other. What bothered me in your post most was Iran. Iran is not a huge force. And with less and less importance of Oil will be even less important. What I see most neglects is India. India will first become biggest country, then strongest economy and last strongest military. All this will happen in this century. Europe is still there, but losing power so as Japan. Beside Brazil and Mexico which rare count as one of strongest countries, upcoming countries are also Indonesia and Nigeria.



I couldn't agree more!  Cool

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legendary
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January 17, 2017, 08:01:12 AM
@LennyCarl - don't take any 'predictions' you see here as in any way accurate or reliable -- especially mine.  I try my best looking at the chart and using the TA knowledge I've picked up over the last 4 years of doing this.  But the landscape changes so quickly (the events coming out of China this last week or so is a good example) and crypto prices are hyper-sensitive to sentiment and/or news.

But be especially wary of those who use these tools and lay claim to expertise - they are really dangerous.

@Febo.  No, I meant USD.  Over the last month XMR smashed through its ATH (when valued against USD) but you'd hardly have noticed if you'd read these pages because it was masked by BTC rise.  Instead we continue to judge alts value against BTC because of bizarre idealogical reasons based on predictions the global economy will collapse any day soon. 

A bit like the bloke who wanders through the street claiming the end of the world is nigh, crypto is obsessed with financial Armageddon.  I've been on these boards for four years now and the end of days is always being predicted (given traditional financial markets move in seven year cycles there's never a crisis too far away.)

And of course the ultimate contradiction is that BTC is constantly valued against the USD.  Traditional currencies may well be used and abused but I don't see why they are a good enough benchmark for BTC but not for XMR.

Anyone that has any understanding of the real world knows USD will be here far longer than we will. The largest military presence the world has ever know backs USD, It's pretty damn safe. The guy with the biggest stick makes the rules no matter how civilized we want to think we are.

Saying that we are heading into some uncharted waters with Trump thinking he can take on China in some sort of trade war or challenge the one china policy.

To the best of my knowledge China essentially owns the USA by way of bonds issued over the last ten years or so ie it has been Chinese investment that enabled the US to recover from the GFC.  If China decides to 'cash in' those bonds then the US and its economy goes down the sink hole.  I assume that is what the PBC meant today when it said Trump would be "shooting himself in the foot" if he decided to challenge China over...well, pretty much anything.

legendary
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January 17, 2017, 06:47:13 AM
Anyone that has any understanding of the real world knows USD will be here far longer than we will. The largest military presence the world has ever know backs USD, It's pretty damn safe. The guy with the biggest stick makes the rules no matter how civilized we want to think we are.

don't agree, it's pretty obvious the reserve-currency status of the USD is being hollowed out by a new axis of countries who have only one choice: work together or be obedient to the US... China, Russia and Iran will work together more and more, more and more the USD will be shunned for international trade. Silk road 2.0, AIIB, SGE, ... bilateral oil-trades.

Where was the US-military in Syria btw? Right, it were the Russians who called the shots... US may have the biggest stick, it won't take on China, Russia and Iran together. In addition we might also see a pivot from Europe to Asia... If the US has no friends left, they can forget it... the unipolar world is finished.


USA will less try to do things on their own. Not saying they are doing it. But You cant expect that just everyone will gang against them. Also is hard to expect others will gang at all, but more likely oppose each other. What bothered me in your post most was Iran. Iran is not a huge force. And with less and less importance of Oil will be even less important. What I see most neglects is India. India will first become biggest country, then strongest economy and last strongest military. All this will happen in this century. Europe is still there, but losing power so as Japan. Beside Brazil and Mexico which rare count as one of strongest countries, upcoming countries are also Indonesia and Nigeria.

legendary
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legendary
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January 17, 2017, 06:26:35 AM
Well, the german speaking are thinking of something like this  Grin

Die deutschen Bären

Dann kommen eeh wieder die Bullen  Cheesy
legendary
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January 17, 2017, 04:15:13 AM
@LennyCarl - don't take any 'predictions' you see here as in any way accurate or reliable -- especially mine.  I try my best looking at the chart and using the TA knowledge I've picked up over the last 4 years of doing this.  But the landscape changes so quickly (the events coming out of China this last week or so is a good example) and crypto prices are hyper-sensitive to sentiment and/or news.

But be especially wary of those who use these tools and lay claim to expertise - they are really dangerous.

@Febo.  No, I meant USD.  Over the last month XMR smashed through its ATH (when valued against USD) but you'd hardly have noticed if you'd read these pages because it was masked by BTC rise.  Instead we continue to judge alts value against BTC because of bizarre idealogical reasons based on predictions the global economy will collapse any day soon.  

A bit like the bloke who wanders through the street claiming the end of the world is nigh, crypto is obsessed with financial Armageddon.  I've been on these boards for four years now and the end of days is always being predicted (given traditional financial markets move in seven year cycles there's never a crisis too far away.)

And of course the ultimate contradiction is that BTC is constantly valued against the USD.  Traditional currencies may well be used and abused but I don't see why they are a good enough benchmark for BTC but not for XMR.

It's probably simply because of Polo being where most XMR is traded.  Polo is effectively an exchange where BTC is traded for alts and vice versa.  Everything there is seen in the context of its price relative to BTC.   Gains and losses are counted in BTC.

Anyone holding XMR as a long term investment should of course be thinking of its ultimate fiat value, since if you want to cash in your investment's value to spend, you will be looking at its value in fiat.

Of course the USD price matters and very few are watching it.  The fact we went over the USD ATH and very few here even seemed to notice is proof of this and IMHO totally daft.  

sr. member
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January 17, 2017, 03:55:40 AM
Anyone that has any understanding of the real world knows USD will be here far longer than we will. The largest military presence the world has ever know backs USD, It's pretty damn safe. The guy with the biggest stick makes the rules no matter how civilized we want to think we are.

don't agree, it's pretty obvious the reserve-currency status of the USD is being hollowed out by a new axis of countries who have only one choice: work together or be obedient to the US... China, Russia and Iran will work together more and more, more and more the USD will be shunned for international trade. Silk road 2.0, AIIB, SGE, ... bilateral oil-trades.

Where was the US-military in Syria btw? Right, it were the Russians who called the shots... US may have the biggest stick, it won't take on China, Russia and Iran together. In addition we might also see a pivot from Europe to Asia... If the US has no friends left, they can forget it... the unipolar world is finished.

The neocon US-policy overplayed its hand, and its deathbed is made. This is a nice summary I think: http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/19/geopolitics-globalization-and-world-order.html

not saying the USD will be dead tomorrow, but if you have another decade to live I'm pretty sure you will live to see its reserve-status finished... and rightly so...

best regards


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January 17, 2017, 03:41:33 AM
Finally some upward traction

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January 17, 2017, 01:20:08 AM
@LennyCarl - don't take any 'predictions' you see here as in any way accurate or reliable -- especially mine.  I try my best looking at the chart and using the TA knowledge I've picked up over the last 4 years of doing this.  But the landscape changes so quickly (the events coming out of China this last week or so is a good example) and crypto prices are hyper-sensitive to sentiment and/or news.

But be especially wary of those who use these tools and lay claim to expertise - they are really dangerous.

@Febo.  No, I meant USD.  Over the last month XMR smashed through its ATH (when valued against USD) but you'd hardly have noticed if you'd read these pages because it was masked by BTC rise.  Instead we continue to judge alts value against BTC because of bizarre idealogical reasons based on predictions the global economy will collapse any day soon.  

A bit like the bloke who wanders through the street claiming the end of the world is nigh, crypto is obsessed with financial Armageddon.  I've been on these boards for four years now and the end of days is always being predicted (given traditional financial markets move in seven year cycles there's never a crisis too far away.)

And of course the ultimate contradiction is that BTC is constantly valued against the USD.  Traditional currencies may well be used and abused but I don't see why they are a good enough benchmark for BTC but not for XMR.

Anyone that has any understanding of the real world knows USD will be here far longer than we will. The largest military presence the world has ever know backs USD, It's pretty damn safe. The guy with the biggest stick makes the rules no matter how civilized we want to think we are.

I agree with that. But there is room for other players.
legendary
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January 17, 2017, 12:00:23 AM
@LennyCarl - don't take any 'predictions' you see here as in any way accurate or reliable -- especially mine.  I try my best looking at the chart and using the TA knowledge I've picked up over the last 4 years of doing this.  But the landscape changes so quickly (the events coming out of China this last week or so is a good example) and crypto prices are hyper-sensitive to sentiment and/or news.

But be especially wary of those who use these tools and lay claim to expertise - they are really dangerous.

@Febo.  No, I meant USD.  Over the last month XMR smashed through its ATH (when valued against USD) but you'd hardly have noticed if you'd read these pages because it was masked by BTC rise.  Instead we continue to judge alts value against BTC because of bizarre idealogical reasons based on predictions the global economy will collapse any day soon.  

A bit like the bloke who wanders through the street claiming the end of the world is nigh, crypto is obsessed with financial Armageddon.  I've been on these boards for four years now and the end of days is always being predicted (given traditional financial markets move in seven year cycles there's never a crisis too far away.)

And of course the ultimate contradiction is that BTC is constantly valued against the USD.  Traditional currencies may well be used and abused but I don't see why they are a good enough benchmark for BTC but not for XMR.

Anyone that has any understanding of the real world knows USD will be here far longer than we will. The largest military presence the world has ever know backs USD, It's pretty damn safe. The guy with the biggest stick makes the rules no matter how civilized we want to think we are.
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