Topic: XMR vs DRK - page 52. (Read 69755 times)

ok enough is enough, you wanted a thread to discuss xmr <-> drk, i have done my best to provide you some insight of drk, but everytime these troll posts came up ...

so im out for now ... no intrest in explaining anything to trolls like this, who have no intrest in discussing anything technical.

And yes there seems some nice XMR guys, i enjoyed some conversations in here thanks for that.

The main DRK dev needs to participate more in community discussion, especially something like this. The XMR devs are already very close with their community, which is a very good thing.

The Monero devs are very close with their community. Completely different from the DRK dev(s), that make decisions on their own/in isolation.

When reading the posts, Fluffypony comes off as someone who is giving both sides of the story simultaneously. Doesn't seem one sided at all to me. It's just that Darkcoin has no attributes and nothing going for it tech wise, so it's getting destroyed that way in conversation. It's like those on the monero team are the 160 IQ nerds and those on the darkcoin team are the half retarded bill boos.

why don't you block your fetting mouth  ..you worthless blabbing mouth..you're a disgrace to this thread

^ as a long-time drk investor i serously doubt it lol.  (a dev responding to xmr trolling that is)

I believe Eduffield and other DASH experts are dealing full time with the rebranding, they will answer eventually.

but DRK has been under attack by Monero people and devs for over a week since the price started rising.  XMR is now toxic in the drk community, just a clone trying to make enough noise on the back of dark. this thread shows that in my opinion.

so the idea drk devs would fuel Monero's latest pump is a bit unrealistic..

plus the fact the Monero dev's are laughing stocks in crypto now for the fact that when you look at their github they are doing no work, and instead throwing around a lot of accusations they can't back up and spending 100s of hours trolling instead of developing. then when you ask what they are working on they send you a marketing graphic with no dates on it.

if you don't believe me, try having Poloniex offline for 1 day and see what the market really thinks of XMR value.

just my opinion from a drk supporter who has been under attack for over a week from a coin he never heard of and wouldn't touch as he remembers all the other crypto-note clones rushed out after dark that are now dead

Ok so I guess all is fine with DRK then.

I just thought such a big community would be capable and interested to send someone competent to explain their technology.

I, for one, would be interested to actually learn something about DRK although I am a Monero supporter. This was supposed to be the thread where it is possible without having to read 4000+ frankly very noisy pages.

I see a few courteous and interested Darkcoin supporters without much actual knowledge, some more eloquent and competent than others. You, to be honest, should be happy that anyone is talking to you at all.

this is a Monero troll thread, almost no drk people here. why would a drk dev take time off developing to argue with XMR trolls?

EDIT: plus you don't need a dev because Monero dev 'Fluffy' made 3 propositions about DRK being insecure today, the first 2 were proved wrong and the third he is ignoring any replies, scroll back.

What's missing in this thread is an actual DRK developer don't you think? The flow of information in here is very one sided.

Hey no problem

My assessment is:

1. Darksend anon works until the masternode network is compromised
2. Comprimising the masternode network appears impractical, so 1. remains sound

A 51% attack would yield different results to a masternode network compromise. With 51% of the mining network you can double-spend, kill transactions etc. With the Masternode network compromised you can potentially unravel darksend anon, but this doesn't appear practical.

edit: it's also worth noting that DRK/DASH anon mixing is off-chain, so if you somehow compromise the MN network you only get to spy on what's happening at that moment, not historical transactions.

Nah - but you are good at flipping words :-)
And nah i have no mission except to debunk the bullshit written about XMR here, i.e. the bullshit claims that its not useable where as it is far more useable for a non-tech savy person currently. Not even mentioning the pseudo GUI FUD.

But we can stop this discussion here once and for all, my points are clear and i don't get answers to my questions here anyway.



That doesn't mean people will work for free on projects they don't even have a stake in.
It's not my job to do your job.



I asked questions and wanted to receive an answer for example, i didn't get an answer tho.

The problem with calculating probabilities without a model is you have unstated assumptions and assume all things to be equal.

For eg.: in Megges example of 50 Darksend rounds with 1500 out of 2000 Masternodes compromised it's easy to calculate the probability as 0.75^50 = 0.000000566321656, but that's the probability of a complete deanonymisation of a specific event at a specific point in time, and that has astronomical odds. That's typical gambler / poker player mentality (and also explains why gamblers make poor cryptographers) - no offence to any gamblers present.

Instead, you have to consider that, in actuality, the malicious attacker observed ~37 of those Darksend rounds. That means that they only need to extrapolate data for 13 rounds, and since there is a great probability they controlled the MasterNodes on either side of each of those unknown rounds, the extrapolation is a lot easier.


I never said that, at all, you're taking unrelated statements out of context. I have qualified my all-or-nothing statement, and I've even given you a little research task you can do to understand the problem better. At this juncture it is clear that you are goading me instead of making an earnest effort to understand antifragility or assumed malice, and I have neither the time nor the inclination to continue to answer questions I've already answered.

Conclusion:

Look, you don't have to agree with me, at all. You're welcome to write off what I say as bias, overly cautious, paranoid, or whatever. I have stated before, and I will state it one more time for the record: I, along with a number of Bitcoin core developers and cryptography researchers, are of the opinion that Darkcoin/Dash is cryptographically unsound, and that the MasterNode infrastructure will, at worst, collapse in on itself, and at best lead to copious problems.

I do believe I've stated my conclusions with efficacy in this thread, and I have stuck around and spent hours expounding on statements and explaining conclusions, despite the constant badgering and vitriol from certain members. I do appreciate the engagement from those who have remained measured and interested in talking, I have definitely learnt some things I didn't know about Darkcoin before.

I bid this thread farewell.

I understand your point, perhaps the bounty is not enough, but i guess half the monero guys will spent 1000s of dollars if you can prove us (DASH) wrong.

You say its easy and you know how to do it.
And all of you seem to have the mission to safe people from the big DASH scam. Thats why it is called SCAM so often in here.

To accomplish this mission you have to prove it, its not about money, how often have i read that from XMR guys, its about fighting for the good (and so against the DASH scam).

Thats why they come and tell about the scam every page in the DRK thread.

And how often have i read that XMR is not about the money.

But still in the end, you won't prove it because hey there is not enough money in for it ...

And whats the purpose to post in this thread if you won't stand your arguments? That way it looks like cheap trolling.

You have an opportiunity to prove us wrong, and save all that guys from the DASH scam, but you won't take it, why?

The incentive is there both monetarily and from bragging rights to take the challenge.

Monero's anonymity is secured by cryptography.

Dash's anonymity is secured by mathematical probability.

Continuing the circle jerk isn't what I plan on doing. It's obvious that Dash's recent rise was enough for those with agendas to come about and try to be "noble to all the newbs" and save them with the same factset that has been spewed since days after launch and days after the masternode concept came into play. Anyone with half a brain can see it clear as day. I understand Dash is widening its market cap compared to Monero but if your project can stand on its own two legs, then that gap should close, no?

Hey, i am relaxed thanks, the reason I had to repeat the question 8 times is because you won't answer it.  I am using the bold to make it easier for you to read the actual questions because each time you are avoiding it.

Right now I have asked the same question 5 times as a response to your proposition: why is the masternode network unsecure because there are no failovers.

It sounds like a ridiculous proposition, not something from a serious coin dev, which is why I am asking you to back it up.  but you won't do it (that should be in bold but i don't want to hurt anyone's feelings )

Yeah obviously no one wants to make your work for free; What a surprise.

Do you think the 4 MRL whitepapers have written themselves? Thats hundreds of unpaid hours.

So it's easy to continue to lash about how XMR is superior but yet no one wants to take any time to solve the things that would make your case even stronger. And the grand was just a starting basis to my knowledge. I think the goal was to get it close to $5k.

We just continue to enter into a crypto circle jerk where XMR posts cryptographic proof of anonymity and DASH posts statistical probability of anonymity through obscurity. Round and round we go. They tackle things differently. Period.

Where? Yesterday someone here said it's 1000 usd or so... not worth anyone time.



Meh. if i delete my bitcoin privatekey after i emptied it i have the same...

We don't even want 3-letter agencies to come that close to us..

My original question still is unanswered, how you use that stuff on a mobile phone etc. without the annoying premixing etc; seems unusable.