Topic: XMR vs DRK - page 50. (Read 69802 times)

OK so we've moved down a few rungs from a global Government / TLA conspiracy.

Now the argument is that a sophisticated 'private investigator' or 'multinational corporation' or some facet of a 'cottage industry' is going to compromise the MN network....how are they going to do that exactly?

Again, if you are talking about today, sure do what you want and for low-resource to medium-adversaries you are fine, probably even with Bitcoin alone.

But,


Even the concept of "private investigator" is quite broad. There is the guy you hire to find out if your wife is cheating and the guy a major multinational corporation hires who is former FBI or NSA (director/AD level even) or whatever, and who has a blackberry full of contacts to show for it, plus everything in between.

quite possibly, which renders obsolete all the argument in here about global TLA/governemnt conspiracies to compromise the MN network.

So, DASH is fit-for-purpose as an enhanced Bitcoin clone with decent privacy features, instant transactions and other cool stuff in the pipleine

There is a huge middle ground here. Like for example, your neighbor or business competitor pays a competent private investigator. Currently that means they probably are going to get into a lot of your information that you normally think of as private. Any system like this that becomes popular will spawn a cottage industry of compromising it if there are weak spots.

Agree on that point. Maybe the DRK advocates who are claiming otherwise can take some good advice from two people on opposite sides of the coin battle and stay safe on this one. If you are trying to hide something from the NSA (or their allies) the answer to the question of "XMR vs DRK" is neither.

How do you know they can't glean enough data just from domestic servers? Can you specify which masternodes to use when you transact?

Maybe not directly. But the hosting companies my be compromised (you know google was/is right?), or there may be third party channels, like the NSA has a cooperation deal with Armenia which has a deal with Bulgaria. Or the NSA trades some intel on Uyghurs to the Chinese government in exchange for cooperation with something in a data center in China the Chinese government doesn't much like anyway. The possibilities are endless.

If I wanted to do something safe from the NSA I don't even know where to begin. Wouldn't even want to touch a computer while doing it that's for sure.

so you think the NSA can persuade hosting companies in Netherlands, China, Khazekstan, Bulgaria, Russia etc to give up access rights / data?

you think the russian agencies can persuade US & canadian agencies to give up theirs?

see my point?

so you think the NSA can persuade hosting companies in Netherlands, China, Khazekstan, Bulgaria, Russia etc to give up access rights / data?

you think the russian agencies can persuade US & canadian agencies to give up theirs?

see my point?

I would urge DRK people not to get involved in the debate here.  The idea is to try to legitamise XMR as a contender to DRK by giving the pumpers on Poloniex text they can link to to show how 'xmr is the next dash!!! when XMR takes over LTC...!'.  Any argument you make will just get drowned out by one of the 5 Monero devs trolling here and you will never get a straight answer as they just repeat the same accusations whatever you say and avoid backing anything up.

so you think the NSA can persuade hosting companies in Netherlands, China, Khazekstan, Bulgaria, Russia etc to give up access rights / data?

you think the russian agencies can persuade US & canadian agencies to give up theirs?

see my point?

Can you explain what is the data that they would snoop after hacking into a masternode?

30+ borders? that is taking it out of context.
Who needs to compromise borders when you can just issue notices to hosting companies? have you ever worked with agencies? I have and they have must easier ways to get access to data from hosting providers than the average joe knows.

They can snoop on your data all day long and you will never know about it... the downside of virtualisation!

I don't think people are realising what the real target is in terms of "compromise" here.

In Dash, you can't compromise a node just because you have access to a machine thats running it. It's the collateral address on the blockchain that needs to be compromised - otherwise the 'real' owner simply has to open their wallet, move the collateral and thats that attack neutralised forever. Moreover, masternodes are as decentralised as regular wallets - in fact they "are" regular wallets.

The only difference between the Dash network and a regular network is that the wallet daemon is dual mode - i.e. it has this "enhanced mode" that allows it to provide extended services to the rest of the network. But it's not a fixed target - it's a moving target because anyone can launch one anytime, point it at an appropriate collateral address and run that daemon in extended service (masternode) mode.

As far as "corrupting the network" goes, for an attacker with unlimited funds,  it's probably more optimal to just buy up gazilions of hashpower and perform a regular 51% on the blockchain rather than trying to take control of the masternode network. 2 reasons for that:

[1] - if they get "control" of a majority of masternodes, so what ? All they can do is provide a service ot the network

[2] - hashpower is unlimited - they can acquire hashpower in direct proportion to their budget. Acquiring a lot of masternodes is far harder because you need to get control of a majority of the money supply first

I almost agree, except that I would also include illegal activities to the list of Darksend (and XMR) being sufficient to. Obviously I don't know, but I doubt your local police or even state police or IRS can just go to NSA and ask them to help out with their case concerning some drug dealer or tax evasion. Much less your neighbor, employer, or your insurance company.

If you're trying to protect your privacy from your neighbor, sure. Darksend is probably sufficient. However, If you're concerned about illegal activity or government level adversaries, no anon tech is ready for that (yet).

TLDR: "good enough" is never good enough when it comes to three-letter agencies. It's gotta be air tight.

They can snoop on your data all day long and you will never know about it... the downside of virtualisation!

Well let's hear why it's absurd, given they need to compromise 2,000+ nodes across 30+ international borders? Again I'm not being disingenuous, I'd like to know...

Well let's hear why it's absurd, given they need to compromise 2,000+ nodes across 30+ international borders? Again I'm not being disingenuous, I'd like to know...