[XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency - page 99.

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Quote from: LazyOtto on July 14, 2013, 02:39:29 PM

Quote from: itod on July 14, 2013, 02:34:42 PM

Yes, you have avoided the direct answer to especially No1 Wink

Never mind, thanks for the effort, it's really interesting how and if the GPU game would be played out.

Thank you. "I have always relied on the kindness of strangers."
(not really, but the quote seems apropos in context

)

We all live in interesting times nowadays. Cheesy

Well for starters, GPU game change means all the VPM machines would be stopped and useless.

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Quote from: itod on July 14, 2013, 02:34:42 PM

Yes, you have avoided the direct answer to especially No1 Wink

Never mind, thanks for the effort, it's really interesting how and if the GPU game would be played out.

Thank you. "I have always relied on the kindness of strangers."
(not really, but the quote seems apropos in context

)

We all live in interesting times nowadays. Cheesy

itod

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^ Will code for Bitcoins

Quote from: LazyOtto on July 14, 2013, 02:31:57 PM

Oops. I see that I didn't really *directly* respond to either of the questions posed.

That's because I don't really believe I can. (With excellent chances of being correct.)

I've done the best I can. Take it for what it's worth, please.

Yes, you have avoided the direct answer to especially No1 Wink

Never mind, thanks for the effort, it's really interesting how and if the GPU game would be played out.

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Oops. I see that I didn't really *directly* respond to either of the questions posed.

That's because I don't really believe I can. (With excellent chances of being correct.)

I've done the best I can. Take it for what it's worth, please.

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I make no claim to successful predictions.

However, some of my posts in this thread have been as Lucifer's Laywer. (I hope y'all are all familiar with him.)

Full disclosure, I have mined some and I have made speculative purchases in both the PrimeCoin and PissCoin (Oops, is that DickCoin? - I don't much like the name; can you tell?

) spaces. NOTE: I have filled my targeted level of exposure in both those markets for a while. We'll (I'll) see how my positions play out over the next year or two.

Now, to respectfully respond to your questions.

1) I see a transition to GPU, or better yet FPGA, mining as a 'good thing'. Because it is *slightly* harder on GPUs, IMO, to do that with a bot-net (and totally not viable once FPGAs become predominate) and more significantly because it completely shuts down the "spin'em up as you want'em" VM game.

2) I can offer no advice. If I could read / interpret those charts with a high degree of success I would be a rich man day trading with real money.

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Quote from: LazyOtto on July 14, 2013, 01:55:30 PM

Quote from: LazyOtto on July 14, 2013, 12:33:58 PM

Well, that was a pretty quick crash.

At or below 0.002 on all three exchanges now.

I hope all y'all with a monthly commitment to pay for VM's have made your nut by now.

Yes, I'm quoting myself. Tongue

Looks like a price floor is building back up at around 0.0021 to 0.0025. Not thick yet, but it is building instead of collapsing.

This won't be the last crash / opportunity to pick 'em up for cheap, folks.

Data will be much better after a month into the game.

Second this. Already got some

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Quote from: LazyOtto on July 14, 2013, 01:55:30 PM

Quote from: LazyOtto on July 14, 2013, 12:33:58 PM

Well, that was a pretty quick crash.

At or below 0.002 on all three exchanges now.

I hope all y'all with a monthly commitment to pay for VM's have made your nut by now.

Yes, I'm quoting myself. Tongue

Looks like a price floor is building back up at around 0.0021 to 0.0025. Not thick yet, but it is building instead of collapsing.

This won't be the last crash / opportunity to pick 'em up for cheap, folks.

Data will be much better after a month into the game.

Otto, since you are so good at predicting things (seriously), riddle me this:

1) Suppose (just suppose for the sake of the argument) that GPU client arrives, making it possible to hit 10x-100x more blocks on the home machine and instantly stopping cloud primecoin mining - What would happen in the terms of the XPM/BTC price?

2) Suppose that arrival is not sudden, but gradually and secretly introduced by the coder, again rendering cloud mining unprofitable - how would it be detectable on the XPM/BTC graph chart?

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Quote from: LazyOtto on July 14, 2013, 12:33:58 PM

Well, that was a pretty quick crash.

At or below 0.002 on all three exchanges now.

I hope all y'all with a monthly commitment to pay for VM's have made your nut by now.

Yes, I'm quoting myself. Tongue

Looks like a price floor is building back up at around 0.0021 to 0.0025. Not thick yet, but it is building instead of collapsing.

This won't be the last crash / opportunity to pick 'em up for cheap, folks.

Data will be much better after a month into the game.

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Don't run more threads than your architecture can natively support.

I have an 8 core xeon (dual quad-core) without hyper-threading capability. Therefore, the best I can do is "setgenerate true 8" or "setgenerate true -1". And I've generally run at 7 (or 6 if I want to watch NetFlix) since this is not a dedicated mining system.

Others might comment on their experience with newer CPUs with hyper-threading.

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yes but I also increased my ppm from 5-30pps on day one to around 2000pps now...any idea on best # on threads to run on my system?

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bitrich, difficulty is now about 30 fold higher than it was first day.

So, if it took you one day to get a block on day one, it could take you thirty days to get another.

+/- depending on Luck.

-- edit

This is Solo Mining.

A lot different than mining in a pool.

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So im running an i5 at 2.8ghz on win7 64. I got my first block with the first release running 5-30 pps in 2 hours. I have been updating to the newest release everyday and now am running 1750-2000 pps. Haven't found a block since first release install 3 days ago. I have been running "setgenerate true -1" since day one. I read here that first indications are, more threads are not necessarily good so I have been experimenting with 4 threads and most recently 8 threads by just changing "-1" to "4" or "8". Anybody have an opinion on threads? Should I just run the max or what? Just curious if anyone has tested for any amount of time? Best number of threads to run? Any other tips?

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Quote from: darkstone1337 on July 14, 2013, 01:19:29 PM

From there we'll see the value increase as difficulty increases.

Not unless there is a demand.

Not unless people will pay for them for speculative purposes or so they can with them.

Difficulty does not in and of itself drive price.

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Long term, I can see this doing well

Yes the price is going to tank initially due to people dumping their coins to make a quick buck. From there we'll see the value increase as difficulty increases.
I'm hopeful that perhaps in a few weeks we will see the price soar up to 0.1BTC level and beyond, let's see if I'm right.

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Quote from: markm on July 14, 2013, 12:42:17 PM

Quote from: LazyOtto on July 14, 2013, 12:39:47 PM

And that's my point with:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2724186

Which is why one grabs the dirt cheap low difficulty coins and holds them until the difficulty increases thus raising that ceiling.

(Also known as hold until the botnets get up and running?)

-MarkM-

Yep. I think you nailed it as a strategy.

Of course, it still remains to be seen whether there will be a demand, buyers, longer term after the 'IPO' speculators.

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Quote from: LazyOtto on July 14, 2013, 12:39:47 PM

And that's my point with:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2724186

Which is why one grabs the dirt cheap low difficulty coins and holds them until the difficulty increases thus raising that ceiling.

(Also known as hold until the botnets get up and running?)

-MarkM-

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Quote from: LazyOtto on July 14, 2013, 12:33:58 PM

Well, that was a pretty quick crash.

At or below 0.002 on all three exchanges now.

I hope all y'all with a monthly commitment to pay for VM's have made your nut by now.

About 10,000 XPM was dumped just like that.

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And that's my point with:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2724186

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Quote from: LazyOtto on July 14, 2013, 12:33:58 PM

Well, that was a pretty quick crash.

At or below 0.002 on all three exchanges now.

I hope all y'all with a monthly commitment to pay for VM's have made your nut by now.

EC2 is per hour, no worries

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Quote from: GSnak on July 14, 2013, 12:36:31 PM

I'd like to thank those who bought most of mine at .00722. I salute thee.

Atta-boy, GSnak, that's the way to do it.

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