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newbie
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monero and aeon do not provide user ip anonymity.

pivx does not either.

shadowcash sort of did, but that project was abandoned.

To clarify

So Monero and Aeon are good for ledger privacy, and no wallet balance reveal, but you would still need to hide your IP?

Pivx has ledger privacy/obfuscation only through using CoinJoin, but you still need to hide your IP. Right? Not sure about wallet balance reveal.

And Verge has IP privacy (although you should still hide it), but ledger transparency and wallet balance reveal. Right?
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1009
$XVG - The Standard in Crypto as a Currency!
Hey there,

I'd like to ask, how i can store my verges safe offline apart from the paper wallet. Is there a way to store them on a hardware device?

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Phanti

paper wallet is probably the safest option for any crypto. we are working on a hardware wallet, and will be adding it to our roadmap within the next 2 weeks

speaking of, we are going to be taking down our clearnet web wallet, because we prefer users own their coins, instead of leaving them on the site.

we will leave the tor and i2p web wallets up however.

we'll wait until the end of july to take the clearnet site down.

That was a good news for the supporters of verge .Project were being accomplish and this 2017 is a big good start for verge to rise .
I can't wait for that hardwallet . I though paper wallet isn't safe .So i use exhange wallets for my xvg.

Nope, exchange wallets not safe as you think, also all online wallets!

Paper wallet with "BIP38 passphrase" is the safest option for verge (Right now)

Why exchange wallets not safe?!
1. exchanges can't stop getting hacked
2. may goes out of business (Suddenly)!

exchange wallets for trading only, So (For verge) paper wallet is the best option, then electrum wallet then core wallet, then coinomi wallet
*Paper wallet for long-term


i agree. i think paper wallet is safest for long term storage (created offline), and then electrum/core wallet.
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1009
$XVG - The Standard in Crypto as a Currency!
Verge dev's recent interview with Ameer and some Pivx guys has made me curious about which coins are actually the best for privacy.

For complete privacy (ring signatures, IP anonymity) it seems Monero and Aeon are the winners, right?

For ledger transparency, but IP anonymity, Verge is the best, right?

As for Pivx, is its only distinguishing privacy feature Obfuscation?

There is/was also ShadowCash, it has ring signature but not sure about IP anon. Its developers seem to have moved on to working on a social and marketplace platform.

Anyone got more info and insights about these or other coins?


monero and aeon do not provide user ip anonymity.

pivx does not either.

shadowcash sort of did, but that project was abandoned.
legendary
Activity: 2590
Merit: 1022
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any chance the supply will get a cut in the future, i think what is holding back this wonderful coin, is the immense supply, if it can be reduced to million instead of billion would be better imho, i know it require a hard fork but its worth the risk

First I want to say our Dev Team is doing a Top Notch Job - keep it up!

Your suggestion needs to be analyzed.  At this point the space has gone into "Hyperspeed" and we need dramatic and intentional moves.  "Coin Reduction" would be a BIG MOVE; raising scarcity would increase value.

I would add that adding PoS immediately would be of great benefit as well.  It's hard to park your cash in a coin that doesn't pay dividends for holding while almost all other coins that share our objectives are providing STAKING incentives.  For the holder Staking represents some assurity during the inevitable "Pumps and Dumps" plus it provides a double incentive of value:  The rise in coin value (XVG $1.00) + the Staking Dividend.  For Hardware Miners it becomes a triple incentive if they choose to hold what they mine.  

This is definitely a race, so reminiscent of 1999 with another emerging technology at that time.  I know by these suggestions we're asking a lot from the Devs but I strongly feel we have a strong community willing and able to support our Team in whatever is necessary.  

So, Coin Reduction + PoS = Rise in Coin Value

Btw, Coin Reduction becomes very meaningful when RSK is implemented.

nice sum up, thanks, so what is this RSK, a new feature for this coin? surely it come with great features which make me look forward to this project, but something is holding this coin back

any chance the supply will get a cut in the future, i think what is holding back this wonderful coin, is the immense supply, if it can be reduced to million instead of billion would be better imho, i know it require a hard fork but its worth the risk

First I want to say our Dev Team is doing a Top Notch Job - keep it up!

Your suggestion needs to be analyzed.  At this point the space has gone into "Hyperspeed" and we need dramatic and intentional moves.  "Coin Reduction" would be a BIG MOVE; raising scarcity would increase value.

I would add that adding PoS immediately would be of great benefit as well.  It's hard to park your cash in a coin that doesn't pay dividends for holding while almost all other coins that share our objectives are providing STAKING incentives.  For the holder Staking represents some assurity during the inevitable "Pumps and Dumps" plus it provides a double incentive of value:  The rise in coin value (XVG $1.00) + the Staking Dividend.  For Hardware Miners it becomes a triple incentive if they choose to hold what they mine.  

This is definitely a race, so reminiscent of 1999 with another emerging technology at that time.  I know by these suggestions we're asking a lot from the Devs but I strongly feel we have a strong community willing and able to support our Team in whatever is necessary.  

So, Coin Reduction + PoS = Rise in Coin Value

Btw, Coin Reduction becomes very meaningful when RSK is implemented.

Yes to all of this.
This is not happening and it's a dumb choice on many levels. Dev has already discussed this. Read the post history before telling Dev what he should do. It's really assuming, naive, big headed, and annoying.

correct. i am not going to hard fork to take away users coins. that's absurd.

you would not take away what users have now, you woudl take away what the miners will mine in the future, none will lose anything

80%+ have already been mined, so we're not going to just cut off the remaining 20%. i can consider making the rewards smaller, although its only making 1,560 coins per block at this point, and we're already more than halfway through the second to last halving. last halving occurs in less than 1million blocks.

oh well you have a point if already 80% is mined and on circulation, i guess nothign can be done anymore, at best you can cut that 10%, but i doubt will make any difference
newbie
Activity: 49
Merit: 0
Verge dev's recent interview with Ameer and some Pivx guys has made me curious about which coins are actually the best for privacy.

For complete privacy (ring signatures, IP anonymity) it seems Monero and Aeon are the winners, right?

For ledger transparency, but IP anonymity, Verge is the best, right?

As for Pivx, is its only distinguishing privacy feature Obfuscation?

There is/was also ShadowCash, it has ring signature but not sure about IP anon. Its developers seem to have moved on to working on a social and marketplace platform.

Anyone got more info and insights about these or other coins?
newbie
Activity: 55
Merit: 0
Hey there,

I'd like to ask, how i can store my verges safe offline apart from the paper wallet. Is there a way to store them on a hardware device?

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Phanti

paper wallet is probably the safest option for any crypto. we are working on a hardware wallet, and will be adding it to our roadmap within the next 2 weeks

speaking of, we are going to be taking down our clearnet web wallet, because we prefer users own their coins, instead of leaving them on the site.

we will leave the tor and i2p web wallets up however.

we'll wait until the end of july to take the clearnet site down.

That was a good news for the supporters of verge .Project were being accomplish and this 2017 is a big good start for verge to rise .
I can't wait for that hardwallet . I though paper wallet isn't safe .So i use exhange wallets for my xvg.

Nope, exchange wallets not safe as you think, also all online wallets!

Paper wallet with "BIP38 passphrase" is the safest option for verge (Right now)

Why exchange wallets not safe?!
1. exchanges can't stop getting hacked
2. may goes out of business (Suddenly)!

exchange wallets for trading only, So (For verge) paper wallet is the best option, then electrum wallet then core wallet, then coinomi wallet
*Paper wallet for long-term
hero member
Activity: 1820
Merit: 537
Hey there,

I'd like to ask, how i can store my verges safe offline apart from the paper wallet. Is there a way to store them on a hardware device?

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Phanti

paper wallet is probably the safest option for any crypto. we are working on a hardware wallet, and will be adding it to our roadmap within the next 2 weeks

speaking of, we are going to be taking down our clearnet web wallet, because we prefer users own their coins, instead of leaving them on the site.

we will leave the tor and i2p web wallets up however.

we'll wait until the end of july to take the clearnet site down.

That was a good news for the supporters of verge .Project were being accomplish and this 2017 is a big good start for verge to rise .
I can't wait for that hardwallet . I though paper wallet isn't safe .So i use exhange wallets for my xvg.
legendary
Activity: 2210
Merit: 1109
Hey there,

I'd like to ask, how i can store my verges safe offline apart from the paper wallet. Is there a way to store them on a hardware device?

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Phanti

paper wallet is probably the safest option for any crypto. we are working on a hardware wallet, and will be adding it to our roadmap within the next 2 weeks

speaking of, we are going to be taking down our clearnet web wallet, because we prefer users own their coins, instead of leaving them on the site.

we will leave the tor and i2p web wallets up however.

we'll wait until the end of july to take the clearnet site down.


Looking forward to the hardware wallet, makes me curious.

Agree on paperwallet, safest for any coin. Make it super-safe with a cryptosteel , this way your paperwallet will survive fire, water or any other disaster  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1009
$XVG - The Standard in Crypto as a Currency!
Hey there,

I'd like to ask, how i can store my verges safe offline apart from the paper wallet. Is there a way to store them on a hardware device?

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Phanti

paper wallet is probably the safest option for any crypto. we are working on a hardware wallet, and will be adding it to our roadmap within the next 2 weeks

speaking of, we are going to be taking down our clearnet web wallet, because we prefer users own their coins, instead of leaving them on the site.

we will leave the tor and i2p web wallets up however.

we'll wait until the end of july to take the clearnet site down.
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1009
$XVG - The Standard in Crypto as a Currency!
IS there any benefit for long-term Verge holders?

I mean, something like stake/masternodes/harvest/fees/revenue

Can I actually gain something from keeping XVG's on my wallet?

fees are collected by miners. as far as centralized masternodes, that is a weakness and we don't plan on implementing something like that.

you don't gain from keeping xvg in your wallet, but you do gain from mining one of our 5 algorithms. we are not a PoS coin, if that's what you are asking.
full member
Activity: 486
Merit: 104
Reverse coin-split is too risky. @dogedarkdev has decided in any case that won't happen.   IMO a better idea is to modulate the block rewards going forward, to better match demand for the coin.

Basic economics dictate that when there is an over-supply, there will be a reduction in unit price. ¿How can the coin network sense demand?  Very simple. Hashrate on the network is strongly correlated with demand. The higher the hashrate, the higher demand there is for the coin.

So, scan the blockchain back a certain amount of time (or a certain number of blocks) and determine what the peak hash rate the network has experienced is.  This will require averaging the hashrate over a certain size "sliding window" of 'x' blocks.  Then determine the current hashrate (over the last 'x' blocks) take the ratio current_hashrate / peak_hashrate, and multiply the block reward by this number.

This way, if the current hashrate is 1/2 of what the peak is, the block reward will be 1/2 of the theoretical maximum.  The result is that less new coins are available for the market; only if hashrate reaches peak value, then reward reaches peak value. Nothing else is changed: in the end, total emission will be the same, but it might be slowed down getting there.


yeah, but scarcity isnt an issue. we're 80%+ thru our distribution phase, and accessibility to the coin is what we aim for, second to privacy. we don't want to pull some dramatic move to increase the price through reduction of supply.

  Well, this kind of modulation doesn't change anything at all  *if*  the hashrate stays high and/or keeps going up, so I don't think of it as being too dramatic... as say, a reverse coin split or a reduction in the total emission target.

  Total emission target never changes, and  it only reduces block reward, but proportionately, gradually and temporarily, if there is a reduction in hashrate.    I think of it as paying the miners for how hard they are working.      Its effect is to maybe stretch out the distribution phase a bit and, at any given time, better match instantaneous demand to coin emission.

   It could also be tempered by setting an absolute minimum reward and/or a maximum step-down to make it even gentler.
full member
Activity: 308
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IS there any benefit for long-term Verge holders?

I mean, something like stake/masternodes/harvest/fees/revenue

Can I actually gain something from keeping XVG's on my wallet?
newbie
Activity: 1
Merit: 0
Hey there,

I'd like to ask, how i can store my verges safe offline apart from the paper wallet. Is there a way to store them on a hardware device?

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Phanti
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1009
$XVG - The Standard in Crypto as a Currency!
Hey guys, can you please help? I sent some xvg to my paper wallet. It´s been 12 hours now. Through Electrum wallet I checked balance, it arrived but transaction is not verified yet and there is only 1 confirmation. Is that normal?  I sent form bittrex with auto-set fee. Thank you very much for any answer.




Reopened.
Okay seems like XVG electrum has this issue :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/electrum-unverified-transaction-330626

I have my xvg transactions confirmed here http://yiimp.ccminer.org/explorer/XVG

but Electreum xvg still writing all my transactions as unverified. But reopening electrum doesnt work and deleting blockchain headers neither.

Mb this is problem ?




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Not Found


The requested URL /blockchain_headers was not found on this server.




Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at electrum-verge.xyz Port 80



yeah, even though it says unverified, it's still spendable. i was actually fixing it just now. thanks for reporting it!

EDIT: fixed!

Electrum still doesn´t work properly (at least for me)
Transactions are still unverified, what should be size  of file blockchain-headers? Mine is 99819Kb , is that enough ?
Thx


yeah, it should work for any future transactions. i'm still looking into it. in the mean time, they are spendable though.

OK. I let my xvg in paper wallet. Hope they will be spendable in future .
Next issue is when I want to sweep paper wallet to coinomi or xvg android wallet there is no sweep option. I need to fill passphrase which I obv dont have with my paper wallet, I only have private key and so cannot restore wallet on android.



you can convert your seed phrase into a private key using this tool: https://coinomi.com/recovery-phrase-tool.html

Yes, but I don't have seed phrase, I printed xvg paper wallet, so I have only pB adress and private key. Coinomi should have this sweep option to restore wallet from private key, but for xvg there is none, same for xvg apk.

you can always tweet coinomi about adding new features. the option im thinking is you can convert your android wallets seedphrase into a private key and import it into your desktop wallet, so that both desktop and android have the same address.
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1009
$XVG - The Standard in Crypto as a Currency!
Reverse coin-split is too risky. @dogedarkdev has decided in any case that won't happen.   IMO a better idea is to modulate the block rewards going forward, to better match demand for the coin.

Basic economics dictate that when there is an over-supply, there will be a reduction in unit price. ¿How can the coin network sense demand?  Very simple. Hashrate on the network is strongly correlated with demand. The higher the hashrate, the higher demand there is for the coin.

So, scan the blockchain back a certain amount of time (or a certain number of blocks) and determine what the peak hash rate the network has experienced is.  This will require averaging the hashrate over a certain size "sliding window" of 'x' blocks.  Then determine the current hashrate (over the last 'x' blocks) take the ratio current_hashrate / peak_hashrate, and multiply the block reward by this number.

This way, if the current hashrate is 1/2 of what the peak is, the block reward will be 1/2 of the theoretical maximum.  The result is that less new coins are available for the market; only if hashrate reaches peak value, then reward reaches peak value. Nothing else is changed: in the end, total emission will be the same, but it might be slowed down getting there.


yeah, but scarcity isnt an issue. we're 80%+ thru our distribution phase, and accessibility to the coin is what we aim for, second to privacy. we don't want to pull some dramatic move to increase the price through reduction of supply.
full member
Activity: 486
Merit: 104
Reverse coin-split is too risky. @dogedarkdev has decided in any case that won't happen.   IMO a better idea is to modulate the block rewards going forward, to better match demand for the coin.

Basic economics dictate that when there is an over-supply, there will be a reduction in unit price. ¿How can the coin network sense demand?  Very simple. Hashrate on the network is strongly correlated with demand. The higher the hashrate, the higher demand there is for the coin.

So, scan the blockchain back a certain amount of time (or a certain number of blocks) and determine what the peak hash rate the network has experienced is.  This will require averaging the hashrate over a certain size "sliding window" of 'x' blocks.  Then determine the current hashrate (over the last 'x' blocks) take the ratio current_hashrate / peak_hashrate, and multiply the block reward by this number.

This way, if the current hashrate is 1/2 of what the peak is, the block reward will be 1/2 of the theoretical maximum.  The result is that less new coins are available for the market; only if hashrate reaches peak value, then reward reaches peak value. Nothing else is changed: in the end, total emission will be the same, but it might be slowed down getting there.


member
Activity: 139
Merit: 11
Hey guys, can you please help? I sent some xvg to my paper wallet. It´s been 12 hours now. Through Electrum wallet I checked balance, it arrived but transaction is not verified yet and there is only 1 confirmation. Is that normal?  I sent form bittrex with auto-set fee. Thank you very much for any answer.




Reopened.
Okay seems like XVG electrum has this issue :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/electrum-unverified-transaction-330626

I have my xvg transactions confirmed here http://yiimp.ccminer.org/explorer/XVG

but Electreum xvg still writing all my transactions as unverified. But reopening electrum doesnt work and deleting blockchain headers neither.

Mb this is problem ?




404 Not Found

Not Found


The requested URL /blockchain_headers was not found on this server.




Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at electrum-verge.xyz Port 80



yeah, even though it says unverified, it's still spendable. i was actually fixing it just now. thanks for reporting it!

EDIT: fixed!

Electrum still doesn´t work properly (at least for me)
Transactions are still unverified, what should be size  of file blockchain-headers? Mine is 99819Kb , is that enough ?
Thx


yeah, it should work for any future transactions. i'm still looking into it. in the mean time, they are spendable though.

OK. I let my xvg in paper wallet. Hope they will be spendable in future .
Next issue is when I want to sweep paper wallet to coinomi or xvg android wallet there is no sweep option. I need to fill passphrase which I obv dont have with my paper wallet, I only have private key and so cannot restore wallet on android.



you can convert your seed phrase into a private key using this tool: https://coinomi.com/recovery-phrase-tool.html

Yes, but I don't have seed phrase, I printed xvg paper wallet, so I have only pB adress and private key. Coinomi should have this sweep option to restore wallet from private key, but for xvg there is none, same for xvg apk.
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1009
$XVG - The Standard in Crypto as a Currency!
Hey guys, can you please help? I sent some xvg to my paper wallet. It´s been 12 hours now. Through Electrum wallet I checked balance, it arrived but transaction is not verified yet and there is only 1 confirmation. Is that normal?  I sent form bittrex with auto-set fee. Thank you very much for any answer.




Reopened.
Okay seems like XVG electrum has this issue :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/electrum-unverified-transaction-330626

I have my xvg transactions confirmed here http://yiimp.ccminer.org/explorer/XVG

but Electreum xvg still writing all my transactions as unverified. But reopening electrum doesnt work and deleting blockchain headers neither.

Mb this is problem ?




404 Not Found

Not Found


The requested URL /blockchain_headers was not found on this server.




Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at electrum-verge.xyz Port 80



yeah, even though it says unverified, it's still spendable. i was actually fixing it just now. thanks for reporting it!

EDIT: fixed!

Electrum still doesn´t work properly (at least for me)
Transactions are still unverified, what should be size  of file blockchain-headers? Mine is 99819Kb , is that enough ?
Thx


yeah, it should work for any future transactions. i'm still looking into it. in the mean time, they are spendable though.

OK. I let my xvg in paper wallet. Hope they will be spendable in future .
Next issue is when I want to sweep paper wallet to coinomi or xvg android wallet there is no sweep option. I need to fill passphrase which I obv dont have with my paper wallet, I only have private key and so cannot restore wallet on android.



you can convert your seed phrase into a private key using this tool: https://coinomi.com/recovery-phrase-tool.html
legendary
Activity: 1007
Merit: 1000
yeah that's just not going to happen though. the price is created by the market, not me, and there is no "price automatically doubles" in crypto. but yeah, i get what you guys are saying. more rare = more enticing for noobs that dont understand crypto. that just isn't what we're trying to achieve, but thanks for the input gentlemen =]

Good.  Things like new mining algorithms or moving to POS are debatable, but messing around with the cap seems to be more of a central bank move.  And isn't that kind of manipulation one of the things we are trying to get away from?

Yes, it is exactly that kind of manipulation, even if it is something that sounds reasonable and is of innocent nature in the first place. But however, by opening the doors for centralized manipulation, you eliminate ALL TRUST, which is most likely the worst case scenario that can happen in cryptoworld. The markets usually react in a harsh way to dodgy things like that. Sometimes they don't, but chances are they will.

  I agree, cutting the supply would backfire.  I won't look at a coin a second time if they play around with things like that.  To sketchy.   But if you really wanted to piss people off, we should double the supply. Tongue  Sometimes when you show people it's a double edge sword they stop and think about it a little more. 

   I do think we should split the mining rewards and have a marketing/development fund to support Verge.  10% to the fund 90% for the miners.  or 20-80. 
member
Activity: 139
Merit: 11
Hey guys, can you please help? I sent some xvg to my paper wallet. It´s been 12 hours now. Through Electrum wallet I checked balance, it arrived but transaction is not verified yet and there is only 1 confirmation. Is that normal?  I sent form bittrex with auto-set fee. Thank you very much for any answer.




Reopened.
Okay seems like XVG electrum has this issue :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/electrum-unverified-transaction-330626

I have my xvg transactions confirmed here http://yiimp.ccminer.org/explorer/XVG

but Electreum xvg still writing all my transactions as unverified. But reopening electrum doesnt work and deleting blockchain headers neither.

Mb this is problem ?




404 Not Found

Not Found


The requested URL /blockchain_headers was not found on this server.




Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at electrum-verge.xyz Port 80



yeah, even though it says unverified, it's still spendable. i was actually fixing it just now. thanks for reporting it!

EDIT: fixed!

Electrum still doesn´t work properly (at least for me)
Transactions are still unverified, what should be size  of file blockchain-headers? Mine is 99819Kb , is that enough ?
Thx


yeah, it should work for any future transactions. i'm still looking into it. in the mean time, they are spendable though.

OK. I let my xvg in paper wallet. Hope they will be spendable in future .
Next issue is when I want to sweep paper wallet to coinomi or xvg android wallet there is no sweep option. I need to fill passphrase which I obv dont have with my paper wallet, I only have private key and so cannot restore wallet on android.

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