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April 06, 2013, 11:28:29 AM
His assumptions (and Lucif's, etc.) are as valid, if not more valid, than many of the other views on this forum. This is one of the best threads in Speculation, IMO. I don't use EW religiously, but it proves very interesting during aberrant moves. And many extremely successful traders (especially those who catch market tops/bottoms) swear by it.

Thanks mate.
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April 06, 2013, 11:24:54 AM
I agree with all of this....

You could actually make sense of it?  Sometimes the people in this thread make way too many assumptions.

His assumptions (and Lucif's, etc.) are as valid, if not more valid, than many of the other views on this forum. This is one of the best threads in Speculation, IMO. I don't use EW religiously, but it proves very interesting during aberrant moves. And many extremely successful traders (especially those who catch market tops/bottoms) swear by it.

We all know there are compelling arguments for bitcoin's further success and equally compelling arguments for a market top, especially with a last leg. I'm bullish bitcoin and alt-coins, but realize that odds do not favor this parabolic rise for bitcoin. Big news could move us up much higher, of course....but it will take bigger news than we've had in the past (e.g., Western Union integrates Bitcoin). Media, hoarding, and lack of liquidity have played much larger roles in this parabolic move than any change in fundamentals.

Stability, even if it means a downward move is ultimately better for the long-term survival of bitcoin. And I see room for alt-coins. I accept valid assumptions supporting bitcoins rise or fall. What I do not accept are the seemingly popular views held on this forum that phantom millionaires and mythical hedge funds will drive this up $1000.

I'm just not sure what to make of this last leg.....

Here is what he said:
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and it matches up with the S&P which finished potentially the most major top in all of history. The first bitcoin bubble was wave 3 a la 1929, and now we're nearing the big top a la 2000.

All right, so according to him, EW actually accounted for information in 2000 all the way back in 1929, great.

That's the problem I have with some technical analysts/abusers, when your prediction doesn't work you extend the time frame to ridiculous length to make it look like it works, not too much different from many "gonna be soon" "no target but it will collapse" analysts on this subforum.

I'm not a religious fanatic when it comes to TA. It does tend to work best during extreme moves (for me, at least). Herd psychology hasn't changed much over the centuries. I find it interesting that people dismiss charts/TA yet choose to believe in phantoms and unicorns. Anyone with even a hint of a financial background can immediately discount the possibility of a unicorn (e.g., very large mover, institution, etc) distorting the price in such a way.
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April 06, 2013, 11:14:31 AM
Market is a war, bloody fight between thousands armies. You must have exact plan before open position:

1. I will buy when ...
2. I will sell when ...
3. I will stop when ...

This plan must be ideal. You must be ideal in this plan. You must not step away from this plan. Otherwise you just cannon meat on battlefield.

And the ultimate rule when you are out of coordinates and you have high emotional background: DONT DO ANYTHING until emotional background will calm down. Rest, sleep, walk at street. Then develop a new plan.

This is ultimate Plan B for any plan.

I think this is awesome advice, not only regarding trading.
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April 06, 2013, 11:03:26 AM
I agree with all of this....

You could actually make sense of it?  Sometimes the people in this thread make way too many assumptions.

His assumptions (and Lucif's, etc.) are as valid, if not more valid, than many of the other views on this forum. This is one of the best threads in Speculation, IMO. I don't use EW religiously, but it proves very interesting during aberrant moves. And many extremely successful traders (especially those who catch market tops/bottoms) swear by it.

We all know there are compelling arguments for bitcoin's further success and equally compelling arguments for a market top, especially with a last leg. I'm bullish bitcoin and alt-coins, but realize that odds do not favor this parabolic rise for bitcoin. Big news could move us up much higher, of course....but it will take bigger news than we've had in the past (e.g., Western Union integrates Bitcoin). Media, hoarding, and lack of liquidity have played much larger roles in this parabolic move than any change in fundamentals.

Stability, even if it means a downward move is ultimately better for the long-term survival of bitcoin. And I see room for alt-coins. I accept valid assumptions supporting bitcoins rise or fall. What I do not accept are the seemingly popular views held on this forum that phantom millionaires and mythical hedge funds will drive this up $1000.

I'm just not sure what to make of this last leg.....

Here is what he said:
Quote
and it matches up with the S&P which finished potentially the most major top in all of history. The first bitcoin bubble was wave 3 a la 1929, and now we're nearing the big top a la 2000.

All right, so according to him, EW actually accounted for information in 2000 all the way back in 1929, great.

That's the problem I have with some technical analysts/abusers, when your prediction doesn't work you extend the time frame to ridiculous length to make it look like it works, not too much different from many "gonna be soon" "no target but it will collapse" analysts on this subforum.
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April 06, 2013, 10:57:01 AM
I agree with all of this....

You could actually make sense of it?  Sometimes the people in this thread make way too many assumptions.

His assumptions (and Lucif's, etc.) are as valid, if not more valid, than many of the other views on this forum. This is one of the best threads in Speculation, IMO. I don't use EW religiously, but it proves very interesting during aberrant moves. And many extremely successful traders (especially those who catch market tops/bottoms) swear by it.

We all know there are compelling arguments for bitcoin's further success and equally compelling arguments for a market top, especially with a last leg. I'm bullish bitcoin and alt-coins, but realize that odds do not favor this parabolic rise for bitcoin. Big news could move us up much higher, of course....but it will take bigger news than we've had in the past (e.g., Western Union integrates Bitcoin). Media, hoarding, and lack of liquidity have played much larger roles in this parabolic move than any change in fundamentals.

Stability, even if it means a downward move is ultimately better for the long-term survival of bitcoin. And I see room for alt-coins. I accept valid assumptions supporting bitcoins rise or fall. What I do not accept are the seemingly popular views held on this forum that phantom millionaires and mythical hedge funds will drive this up to $1000.

I'm just not sure what to make of this last leg.....
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April 06, 2013, 09:58:21 AM
I agree with all of this....

 Sometimes the people in this thread make way too many assumptions.

understatement of the week.

Not going to take the time to refute what BA says, but its a load of shit and has been explained ad nauseum elsewhere.

tl;dr "altcoin" balhblahblah "rising in popularity"=read elsewhere
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Enabling the maximal migration
April 06, 2013, 09:52:41 AM
I agree with all of this....

 Sometimes the people in this thread make way too many assumptions.

understatement of the week.

Not going to take the time to refute what BA says, but its a load of shit and has been explained ad nauseum elsewhere.
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April 06, 2013, 09:47:48 AM
I agree with all of this....

You could actually make sense of it?  Sometimes the people in this thread make way too many assumptions.
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April 06, 2013, 09:35:37 AM
I only say that all this legal scene will burn in some future. Not too distant. Probably on top of wave 5 off $0 Low (we are currently at wave 3)

Proly true... but I'm thinking this is big wave 5 off the $0 low, and bitcoin is set to decline deeply for a long, long time. At least most analysts I've shown ths charts to think this looks like "an ending move", and it matches up with the S&P which finished potentially the most major top in all of history. The first bitcoin bubble was wave 3 a la 1929, and now we're nearing the big top a la 2000. Waves 1 and 2 were likely the moves up to 6 cents from 0 and then a correction back to 1 cent. Usually bubbles don't happen in first waves, only 3 and especially 5. Nobody notices 1st waves...

But I still have to give the probability in favor of your count i.e, it being a big 3 by what is visible on a chart, i'm just saying a big 5 is probably a valid potential alternative.

I think the sudden realization that bitcoin cannot scale and that altcoins will be risng in popularity will make people realize just how much they overexposed themselves to a single blockchain. Don't get me wrong I love bitcoin but the hype != reality here, it's cannot be the world currency anytime soon if it can barely handle the traffic from satoshidice

I agree with all of this....
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April 06, 2013, 08:33:13 AM
I only say that all this legal scene will burn in some future. Not too distant. Probably on top of wave 5 off $0 Low (we are currently at wave 3)

Proly true... but I'm thinking this is big wave 5 off the $0 low, and bitcoin is set to decline deeply for a long, long time. At least most analysts I've shown ths charts to think this looks like "an ending move", and it matches up with the S&P which finished potentially the most major top in all of history. The first bitcoin bubble was wave 3 a la 1929, and now we're nearing the big top a la 2000. Waves 1 and 2 were likely the moves up to 6 cents from 0 and then a correction back to 1 cent. Usually bubbles don't happen in first waves, only 3 and especially 5. Nobody notices 1st waves...

But I still have to give the probability in favor of your count i.e, it being a big 3 by what is visible on a chart, i'm just saying a big 5 is probably a valid potential alternative.

I think the sudden realization that bitcoin cannot scale and that altcoins will be risng in popularity will make people realize just how much they overexposed themselves to a single blockchain. Don't get me wrong I love bitcoin but the hype != reality here, it's cannot be the world currency anytime soon if it can barely handle the traffic from satoshidice
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April 06, 2013, 06:41:19 AM
Literally silkroad! You are absolutely right! Bitcoin has no future in legal world! Coz there nobody need such volatile currency or asset.

Only drugs, whores, gambling, weapons and other stuff which no other choice except bitcoin.

There are other completely legal things which will require bitcoins. You are Russian, I don't think I need to tell you in plain words. Bu first world people probably can't get it.

lol did you just call Russia a second (third?) world country?

Hmmm, why did they huddle together with nations like China to form the BRICS? There ain't one developed nation in this whole group besides South Africa, which unfortunately has a life expectancy of less then 50 years.

I dont think its about development in this case, its about developing a competitor to the USD/EUR (ie joining forces to call the shots on a macroecon level).

More idiots trying to outdo bitcoin? I don't think so. But stay on the topic, there is a reason why they are known as "emerging markets".
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April 06, 2013, 04:38:02 AM
Literally silkroad! You are absolutely right! Bitcoin has no future in legal world! Coz there nobody need such volatile currency or asset.

Only drugs, whores, gambling, weapons and other stuff which no other choice except bitcoin.

There are other completely legal things which will require bitcoins. You are Russian, I don't think I need to tell you in plain words. Bu first world people probably can't get it.

lol did you just call Russia a second (third?) world country?

Hmmm, why did they huddle together with nations like China to form the BRICS? There ain't one developed nation in this whole group besides South Africa, which unfortunately has a life expectancy of less then 50 years.

I dont think its about development in this case, its about developing a competitor to the USD/EUR (ie joining forces to call the shots on a macroecon level).
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April 06, 2013, 03:46:02 AM
Literally silkroad! You are absolutely right! Bitcoin has no future in legal world! Coz there nobody need such volatile currency or asset.

Only drugs, whores, gambling, weapons and other stuff which no other choice except bitcoin.

There are other completely legal things which will require bitcoins. You are Russian, I don't think I need to tell you in plain words. Bu first world people probably can't get it.

lol did you just call Russia a second (third?) world country?

Hmmm, why did they huddle together with nations like China to form the BRICS? There ain't one developed nation in this whole group besides South Africa, which unfortunately has a life expectancy of less then 50 years.
legendary
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Enabling the maximal migration
April 06, 2013, 03:39:41 AM
Literally silkroad! You are absolutely right! Bitcoin has no future in legal world! Coz there nobody need such volatile currency or asset.

Only drugs, whores, gambling, weapons and other stuff which no other choice except bitcoin.

There are other completely legal things which will require bitcoins. You are Russian, I don't think I need to tell you in plain words. Bu first world people probably can't get it.

lol did you just call Russia a second (third?) world country?
legendary
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April 06, 2013, 03:35:20 AM
the dollar rally because of JPY
what is this?
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April 05, 2013, 10:24:44 PM
Literally silkroad! You are absolutely right! Bitcoin has no future in legal world! Coz there nobody need such volatile currency or asset.

Only drugs, whores, gambling, weapons and other stuff which no other choice except bitcoin.

There are other completely legal things which will require bitcoins. You are Russian, I don't think I need to tell you in plain words. Bu first world people probably can't get it.

Am... Speculation?

Speculation sure, but that's not what I meant. There are many places in the world where completely legal things are not allowed to be done(or just reserved for a bunch of privileged people).
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Clown prophet
April 05, 2013, 10:23:30 PM
I only say that all this legal scene will burn in some future. Not too distant. Probably on top of wave 5 off $0 Low (we are currently at wave 3)
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Clown prophet
April 05, 2013, 10:20:28 PM
Literally silkroad! You are absolutely right! Bitcoin has no future in legal world! Coz there nobody need such volatile currency or asset.

Only drugs, whores, gambling, weapons and other stuff which no other choice except bitcoin.

There are other completely legal things which will require bitcoins. You are Russian, I don't think I need to tell you in plain words. Bu first world people probably can't get it.

Am... Speculation?
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April 05, 2013, 10:19:25 PM
Literally silkroad! You are absolutely right! Bitcoin has no future in legal world! Coz there nobody need such volatile currency or asset.

Only drugs, whores, gambling, weapons and other stuff which no other choice except bitcoin.

There are other completely legal things which will require bitcoins. You are Russian, I don't think I need to tell you in plain words. Bu first world people probably can't get it.
sr. member
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Clown prophet
April 05, 2013, 10:17:28 PM
Literally silkroad! You are absolutely right! Bitcoin has no future in legal world! Coz there nobody need such volatile currency or asset.

Only drugs, whores, gambling, weapons and other stuff which have  no other choice except bitcoin.
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