AVALON Chips TOS
http://store.avalon-asics.com/?page_id=9605
The no bullshit, no fine print terms of sale
1. the only payment accepted is Bitcoin.
2. these chips will be available until at least end of the year, 2013.
3. spec and various information is available on the wiki
4. the chips being sold are packaged and tested.
5. the lead time on the chips is 9 to 10 weeks, OK, this means at least 9, and at most 10 weeks. Do your stuff, we did ours and our chips didn't arrive for a reason you didn't send them.
6. made to order from TSMC foundry, this also means no refunds.
7. the order quantity is 10,000 chips.
8. the chips are identical to those in the Avalon units.
9. communication protocol, reference board design can be found on github.
10. everything will be open source from FPGA to PCB design..
11. 30 sample chips will be provided 4 weeks into ordering per 10,000 chips. And how many samples we got?
12. we do not offer technical support of any kind, this is final. That is crystal clear, what we want isn't technical support but reply on why deliveries are late and when you plan to ship the chips we paid. Apologies are welcome for braking your own terms of sales in spirit of good business practice and regaining the trust from your customers.
13. if you do not know what to do with the reference design / packaged chips, please do not purchase. But we do thanks to you and DIY community. Please send our chips and abide by your own rules.
Topic: @Yifu/Bitsyncom please dont hold back the chip shipment because of b3 miners... - page 2. (Read 9957 times)
August 04, 2013, 04:07:15 PM
August 04, 2013, 10:59:38 AM
I don't remember reading in the details provided by Avalon that there would be a 10 week lead time, with additional wait time possible if there were delays in shipping generation 2 & 3 Avalon miners... Another ASIC manufacturer getting bogged down in lies and deceit. 10 weeks is 10 weeks and we are now at 15 weeks. The ROI on these is quickly... very quickly slipping away. I sincerely hope that as better manufacturers get into the game, the community will set Yifu aside and snub him on any future offerings. This amateur-hour stuff was passable when there were no other players in the game -- hopefully things are changing.
I still hope Avalon will deliver very soon.
But I guess Yifu doesn't listen to us.
I am really good in imagining things. Things like Yifu sitting with some escort girls in his brand new pool (low tech, fast delivery), smiling, chilling, smoking some good stuff from the 420 medicine shops. Yeah Yifu, you're the man.
Please, stop speculations about the different ways you might have scammed us, get your ass up and talk to your customers.
August 04, 2013, 08:46:03 AM
I don't remember reading in the details provided by Avalon that there would be a 10 week lead time, with additional wait time possible if there were delays in shipping generation 2 & 3 Avalon miners... Another ASIC manufacturer getting bogged down in lies and deceit. 10 weeks is 10 weeks and we are now at 15 weeks. The ROI on these is quickly... very quickly slipping away. I sincerely hope that as better manufacturers get into the game, the community will set Yifu aside and snub him on any future offerings. This amateur-hour stuff was passable when there were no other players in the game -- hopefully things are changing.
August 04, 2013, 08:10:10 AM
Why don't we take legal action against Avalon for loss of earnings, misleading customers? They ware happy to take $14 million in preorders, and we paid for chips to be delivered within 9-10 weeks but they are not happy to deliver? In western countries its called fraud or theft. There must be international trading law that Avalon is braking.
August 04, 2013, 07:36:21 AM
It seems like Bitsyncom = Yifu is wrapping every single order by hand himself.
Yifu, if you're not able to deliver, don't promise to.
If something went wrong, tell us.
Don't tell us to wait because we have to.
This feels like kindergarden.
Please stand your man, and tell us why we have to wait!
Don't forget YOU are sitting on OUR money.
Yifu, if you're not able to deliver, don't promise to.
If something went wrong, tell us.
Don't tell us to wait because we have to.
This feels like kindergarden.
Please stand your man, and tell us why we have to wait!
Don't forget YOU are sitting on OUR money.
August 04, 2013, 04:08:52 AM
no good news 
Looks like a bunch of people with b3 no PSU Avalon's got tracking today
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203745.720
While it might not seem like good news for us, it at least shows Avalon is making progress on their backlog of orders, hopefully approaching chip orders
Well, there's still trade-ins and refunds to process, so maybe after few weeks they'll start thinking about another monthly chip shipment.
Should have gone with bitfury
August 02, 2013, 12:08:39 PM
no good news
Looks like a bunch of people with b3 no PSU Avalon's got tracking today
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203745.720
While it might not seem like good news for us, it at least shows Avalon is making progress on their backlog of orders, hopefully approaching chip orders
August 02, 2013, 11:57:27 AM
no good news
August 02, 2013, 07:29:58 AM
Not sure why but I have a need to post this picture.
Anyone who don't find this post contributing is clearly missing a point.
Anyone who don't find this post contributing is clearly missing a point.
August 02, 2013, 01:26:40 AM
zefir's second batch now is 15 weeks and 1 day old. Thats 5 weeks later than promised! And i found bfl's 100 days chip delivery funny...
My first batch is 12 weeks old tomorrow too. Not as bad as zefir's buyers but come on...
My first batch is 12 weeks old tomorrow too. Not as bad as zefir's buyers but come on...
Chip delays are getting ridiculous. The fact that early orders haven't even shipped yet is puzzling. The items are already packaged even. It's becoming clear that they are artificially delaying the chips, but why?
All I can think of is the reseller theory.. A reseller gets the early batches.. the supplier holds back to help the reseller achieve margin - since there's no competition
But.. that would be idiotic.. so it can't be... I mean.. I can't think of any reason that actually benefits them at all, besides their own mining operations - but as a manufacturer they'll never have trouble keeping up with the difficulty anyway... and continued business is surely more profitable than mining?
I mean essentially.. they could've just shipped the chips and concreted themselves a reputation as the go-to guys, and people would've ordered crazy qty's from them even despite other ASIC's becoming more powerful, simply because of security/assurance. But instead, they've delayed and now they're thrown into the "don't buy from" basket along with so many others - the next ASIC company to ship will destroy Avalon permanently.
August 01, 2013, 06:36:32 PM
zefir's second batch now is 15 weeks and 1 day old. Thats 5 weeks later than promised! And i found bfl's 100 days chip delivery funny...
My first batch is 12 weeks old tomorrow too. Not as bad as zefir's buyers but come on...
My first batch is 12 weeks old tomorrow too. Not as bad as zefir's buyers but come on...
Chip delays are getting ridiculous. The fact that early orders haven't even shipped yet is puzzling. The items are already packaged even. It's becoming clear that they are artificially delaying the chips, but why?
August 01, 2013, 05:29:31 PM
zefir's second batch now is 15 weeks and 1 day old. Thats 5 weeks later than promised! And i found bfl's 100 days chip delivery funny...
My first batch is 12 weeks old tomorrow too. Not as bad as zefir's buyers but come on...
My first batch is 12 weeks old tomorrow too. Not as bad as zefir's buyers but come on...
August 01, 2013, 04:39:27 PM
Here is a photo of a chip form zefir's first batch, as far as i read: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2833915
Does it mean this chip was produced in week 25? That was the week from june 17-23. That should be pretty solid proof that the chips are produced.
Does it mean this chip was produced in week 25? That was the week from june 17-23. That should be pretty solid proof that the chips are produced.
And here's another picture from the same zefir's batch #1
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2846188
Oddly enough, that chip is made on week 26. One would assume one small batch of 10,000 chips would come from the same order from the foundry, but apparently not.
August 01, 2013, 04:12:27 PM
Let me paraphrase Yifu's potential response (hey im an optimistic) to this thread.
August 01, 2013, 03:35:05 PM
August 01, 2013, 06:40:38 AM
@Bitcoinorama... you see how silent it became in here? Yifu only had to ship a couple of miners and all the ruckus is gone again. Even though nothing really is better now. You can calm the masses this way. And thats why i think he did one b3-refund and one chip-batch-shipment.
yes, but buy ASIC HW in preorder is way, how to get miner with possibility of ROI.
Because you do group buy and pre orders that is why you accept this unethical practice. money is your ulterior motive.
Its true that one has to take a risk at this point. But i really was of the impression that there will be no risk with avalon chips. I mean they are proven to work, avalon has nothing to build with them, they only have to order, pay, receive and ship. Thats it. And thats different from a miner assembler who will get problems in most cases.
Don't buy pre order!!
yes, but buy ASIC HW in preorder is way, how to get miner with possibility of ROI.
Because you do group buy and pre orders that is why you accept this unethical practice. money is your ulterior motive.
Its true that one has to take a risk at this point. But i really was of the impression that there will be no risk with avalon chips. I mean they are proven to work, avalon has nothing to build with them, they only have to order, pay, receive and ship. Thats it. And thats different from a miner assembler who will get problems in most cases.
August 01, 2013, 12:46:51 AM
Don't buy pre order!!
yes, but buy ASIC HW in preorder is way, how to get miner with possibility of ROI.
Because you do group buy and pre orders that is why you accept this unethical practice. money is your ulterior motive.
August 01, 2013, 12:37:25 AM
Don't buy pre order!!
yes, but buy ASIC HW in preorder is way, how to get miner with possibility of ROI.
August 01, 2013, 12:33:43 AM
That is why don't get suck into these group buy, the middlemen will blame them on the supplier. Don't listen to their sweet talk. Don't buy pre order!!
July 31, 2013, 08:30:05 PM
Poor management, lack of direction, lack of resources to handle all of the work they committed to performing. Same as with everything else they do.
"But... but.. we're a small team..." Well, you should have been a bigger team to be able to do the things you promised. It's not like they couldn't have hired more help, they have enough money.
"But... but.. we're a small team..." Well, you should have been a bigger team to be able to do the things you promised. It's not like they couldn't have hired more help, they have enough money.
Well, whoever was going to handle the refunds would have had to have access to their main wallet file. Not something you'd want to fob off to some random person on the street. They may have a setup that requires multiple people to authorize a release.
They should do this as soon as possible because they do not pay any interest to their customs.
One day delay means one day lost to their customers.
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