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legendary
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your motives are not about my sending PMs. The PM I sent to all 12 users requesting they remove the x10 banner is copied in the OP.

You missunderstood something.
I corrected your statement that I'm sending PMs about the thread.
I have sent a PM. The one you have posted in reply #40.

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You are wrong. Promoting a signature that is a ponzi makes the promoter complicit.

No, you ARE wrong.
YoBit has purchased ads on Google, so by your definition Google is a scammer.
Are you going to stop using Google?
You're a hypocrite if you continue using Google after they promoted a ponzi! By your definition.
That's why your definition is wrong.
Website promotion and advertisement sale are not the same thing.

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This is Bitcointalk Forum not any other website. Promoting a banner run by company which steals from people who think they are investing in a legitimate scheme is akin to being party to the scam.

Steal? I don't think they take control of your wallet and deposit the funds into their website.
It's the users who decide whether or not deposit their money there willingly.

If you deposit money onto a website simply because it claims you're going to earn x10 you deserve to lose money. You really do.
Every sane person googles a website before he invests in it. If you haven't done that, I've got nothing to say.
You'll have a lot more problems in life when ICOs come up which aren't as open about their "x10".

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Your arguments get more and more ridiculous. How can you even with the slightest bit of decency and morality actually stand by those comments whole-heartedly?

I volunteer in the Red Cross, I have monthly subscriptions to charities, I handled a million dollars as escrow at ONCE and tens of thousands at other deals and haven't scammed anyone.
And you call me out on my morals? They're not in question.

Where is your feeling of empathy?
You are the one negging poor members of this community who are perhaps struggling with their everyday lives just because you want to earn some brownie points from the community. Some people are really helped out by this signature payments.

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That way you would have had some excuse to stay dignified but you are fully aware of the issue on hand yet you imply the victim is to blame for getting scammed if he ends up visiting Yobit after viewing a x10 banner in your post?

My dignity is not in question.
You think people see signatures that say "Invest for x10" and then deposit bitcoins instantly?
The same thing works with our FIAT currency which is x1.03/year and it isn't voluntary.
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~snip~

The Trust system is made to let you know who you're safe trading with and who you're not.
You agreed I would be more trustworthy than 99.9% of the forum. Isn't that an abuse of the trust system then?

Sale of ad-space and promotion are not the same thing.
Does any sane person in the world accuse PornHub for being scammers if they allow ads that run 'hot singles in your area' and 'enlarge your dick 50cm today'?
It's the vistors that decide which ads they open and which products they purchase.
Not those that sell advertisement space.
The same is even more true here.
It's the investors job to investigate what he invests in.
It's devious to mark these people as scammers simply because they joined a signature campaign.
Your arguments get more and more ridiculous. How can you even with the slightest bit of decency and morality actually stand by those comments whole-heartedly?



JG -- I think your negative is a bit harsh for these accounts as the YoBit campaign is now over in its entirety.

There's no doubt that YoBit is sleazy and X10 is obviously a Ponzi but I don't think your 24-hour window was long enough.

Would you perhaps consider adjusting these ratings to neutrals?
You should have ended this nonsense after I reluctantly accepted the advice of nutildah who I respect a lot when he intervened (maybe without him knowing the full facts). That way you would have had some excuse to stay dignified but you are fully aware of the issue on hand yet you imply the victim is to blame for getting scammed if he ends up visiting Yobit after viewing a x10 banner in your post? That is the essence of what you are saying (just as Vispilio failed to justify).

That is an utterly disgraceful position to take adding further insult which you astonishingly claim absolves yourself of all blame because you just sold-ad space to a scam and you claim it is different from promoting a scam.
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   @examplens Explain me why I need to now something that is not in my sphere of interest?
   Also try to explain me why I am tagged when I use exchange that didn't do nothing wrong to me?
   

I guess you need to know what you advertise in your signature. Right?
I didn't tag you so I can't answer to that. I'm also not a fan of tagging people for their signature, but Yobit Investbox is a proven scam.
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Nonsense... your motives are not about my sending PMs. The PM I sent to all 12 users requesting they remove the x10 banner is copied in the OP.


*has sent a PM
That's all I wanted to post.
This sort of self righteous bullying all over the forum needs to stop.
legendary
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*has sent a PM
That's all I wanted to post.
This sort of self righteous bullying all over the forum needs to stop.



Even if I stayed in the campaign I would still be more credible&trustworthy than 99.9% of this forum. Proven.
This is true. And that makes it so much worse: a trusted user promoting a ponzi scam is much more likely to make people spend their money on X10 than a red-trusted user who doesn't have +20 in his profile.

The Trust system is made to let you know who you're safe trading with and who you're not.
You agreed I would be more trustworthy than 99.9% of the forum. Isn't that an abuse of the trust system then?

Sale of ad-space and promotion are not the same thing.
Does any sane person in the world accuse PornHub for being scammers if they allow ads that run 'hot singles in your area' and 'enlarge your dick 50cm today'?
It's the vistors that decide which ads they open and which products they purchase.
Not those that sell advertisement space.
The same is even more true here.
It's the investors job to investigate what he invests in.
It's devious to mark these people as scammers simply because they joined a signature campaign.

legendary
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Even if I stayed in the campaign I would still be more credible&trustworthy than 99.9% of this forum. Proven.
This is true. And that makes it so much worse: a trusted user promoting a ponzi scam is much more likely to make people spend their money on X10 than a red-trusted user who doesn't have +20 in his profile.
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   @examplens Explain me why I need to now something that is not in my sphere of interest?
   Also try to explain me why I am tagged when I use exchange that didn't do nothing wrong to me?
   
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UPDATE: Thread unlocked because iluvbitcoins is sending PMs otherwise stating they would have posted here so I unlocked the thread - go ahead iluvbitcoins feel free to post here but in the interim I have posted your PM below:


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Maybe 24 hours was not enough but 8 users did change their x10 banner. One saw my PM late but removed the banner therefore I removed the tag. The fact that user iluvbitcoins had logged in and sent me a message to say they will wait after the deadline to decide on what to do - did not help but I still waited for time to elapse before tagging.

Since you locked the thread, I've felt the need to send you a PM I would reply with.

I don't like being blackmailed nor should I be subjected to your arbitrary cut-off periods, nor should I have to surround my personal life arround your personal messages.

You're not my boss and I will not adhere to your "24 hour ultimatums" nor any ultimatums at all.
And that doesn't change my morality and my trustworthiness.
Even if I stayed in the campaign I would still be more credible&trustworthy than 99.9% of this forum. Proven.

I am my own person, a person that's proven his honesty a million more times than you ever will, and you're purposely missusing the trust system.

Participating in signature campaigns, even if they are ponzis can never be equivalent to scamming.
It's sale of ad-space. Is PornHub a scammer for allowing dick enlargment ads?
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Absolutely yes, I will change negative tag to neutral. Thank you for taking an interest in this issue.

Maybe 24 hours was not enough but 8 users did change their x10 banner. One saw my PM late but removed the banner therefore I removed the tag. The fact that user iluvbitcoins had logged in and sent me a message to say they will wait after the deadline to decide on what to do - did not help but I still waited for time to elapse before tagging. One other users claimed I threatened with unsolicited PMs and ignored the request and the other I think did not respond.

Just reading through what iluvbitcoins has written above deserves a response because I disagree with most of was written and can counter it with my own views and questions but there is no vendetta, there is no animosity, there is no hidden agenda, disingenuous or malicious going on here but I will not comment on it further.

Thankfully now with Yobit supposedly ending their campaign here for the forseeable future they never return with either an new x10 promotion or anything else.



JG -- I think your negative is a bit harsh for these accounts as the YoBit campaign is now over in its entirety.

There's no doubt that YoBit is sleazy and X10 is obviously a Ponzi but I don't think your 24-hour window was long enough.

Would you perhaps consider adjusting these ratings to neutrals?
legendary
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JG -- I think your negative is a bit harsh for these accounts as the YoBit campaign is now over in its entirety.

There's no doubt that YoBit is sleazy and X10 is obviously a Ponzi but I don't think your 24-hour window was long enough.

Would you perhaps consider adjusting these ratings to neutrals?
legendary
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I have been warned yes, but I'm a busy person, I can't dwell into things as soon as I'm notified about them
http://prntscr.com/qtb9x1

I wasn't in my apartment for those 2 days since I slept at my ex's place, which can be seen from my post history as well
http://prntscr.com/qtbaee


When I woke up in my own bed I took the time to research the subject and left the campaign.

I don't see how an arbitrary 24 hour period would make any moral difference?
Would I be more moral if somehow an iPhone charger was present there for those 2 days?
Or am I less moral because my battery was dead?


I believe this is completely disingenuous and malicious.
The purpose of the trust system is to know who you can trade with and who you can't trade with.
You know full-well I'm a trustworthy person, but why you decide to abuse the system in order to carry your own vendetta is beyond me.



http://prntscr.com/qtbvlk

At XMR peak of 480$, the depository had more than 2000 XMR
Which is over a million dollars

I've been the escrow for these Monero for some 4 years now.
It's currently ~70k$, but at its peak I handled a million $ worth of anonymous cryptocurrency

And you seriously believe now that I'm an untrustworthy person because I wasn't able to research the subject the same day you sent me the PM?

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Thank you for your contributions, this thread has served its purpose therefore will been locked soon.
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   @JollyGood I don't have that Yobit x10 coin/token, whatever it is. I never had any of those coins/tokens mentioned to be Yobit products
to scam people, because I never was interested in them. As exchange Yobit is working, their products are being used by some people and until
now I didn't see anyone complains about that.
   
    I don't know what you think of me. I feel a need to say that I am not arguing, I can't argue with you two when you are smarter than me.
I don't have technical knowledge as you do, I am a beginner in almost everything connected with crypto-currencies. I try to read a lot and
do some kind of research, as much as my knowledge allows me, I stated the same in some of my comment.
    I am still not convinced that Yobit is a scam. I will continue to use Yobit until I spend those Bitcoins left there from my payments, I decided
to invest them in some alt-coins. Yobit products are not interesting for me, I would never use Yobit exchange in the first place if there wasn't
a campaign. What will happen with Yobit and Yobit products we will see in the future.

You never have any of Yobit coin/token, this is the reason why you can't argue about these themes. But you are still defending Yobit.

* Probably you use just part of this forum/internet if you didn't see any complaints to Yobit products. Just try to search "Yobit scam" you will get more results than "Kim Kardashian" term. Jus do few searches here and you will find lot of interesting information.


    I am still not convinced that Yobit is a scam. I will continue to use Yobit until I spend those Bitcoins left there from my payments, I decided
to invest them in some alt-coins.

Test them, (I am) just for you to be sure and convinced. until then, do not defend them.
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   @o_e_l_e_o my friends tell me that I am an idiot because I invest my money in Bitcoin and other crypto-currencies. They used the same
arguments as you are using to explain me that Yobit is a scam. More than once they told me that I invest in a thin-air and that I will regret it.

   @JollyGood I don't have that Yobit x10 coin/token, whatever it is. I never had any of those coins/tokens mentioned to be Yobit products
to scam people, because I never was interested in them. As exchange Yobit is working, their products are being used by some people and until
now I didn't see anyone complains about that.
   
    I don't know what you think of me. I feel a need to say that I am not arguing, I can't argue with you two when you are smarter than me.
I don't have technical knowledge as you do, I am a beginner in almost everything connected with crypto-currencies. I try to read a lot and
do some kind of research, as much as my knowledge allows me, I stated the same in some of my comment.
    I am still not convinced that Yobit is a scam. I will continue to use Yobit until I spend those Bitcoins left there from my payments, I decided
to invest them in some alt-coins. Yobit products are not interesting for me, I would never use Yobit exchange in the first place if there wasn't
a campaign. What will happen with Yobit and Yobit products we will see in the future.
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Do you know what's really funny?
Those guys are not shilling for Yobit! Those are some other species of scammers altogether!

I stand corrected, you are right! Those are not really Yobit shills and that's irony, their userbase is first subjected to various pump and dump schemes/ investbox opportunities via non-existent tokens, accounts and withdrawal freezes by the exchange itself and then those same people are being scammed again by Yobit admin imposters on Twitter...lol they can't catch a break.

Given all the shady practices i won't be surprised if those fake Yobit admin accounts are not actually controlled/operated by Yobit themselves, call it a side operation (even though it's nearly impossible to prove).
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Speaking of Yobit's Investbox, you guys should check out their official Twitter account and have a laugh with those shills trying to promote it.
Look at this dude for example, Yobit doubled his BTC out of nowhere, who could resist an offer like that? Brilliant! smh  


You're not seeing it's a scam?  Huh



Looking at the image, it seems Jacob and Pavel are both exemplary examples of what a shill should look like. I am not heaping praise on them but but merely pointing out the over-the-top recommendations.

One does not know whether to laugh or be saddened by the manner in which Yobit are trying to manipulate existing or potential users.

OMG you think you're a scam buster and you are not even able to spot those noob scams? really?
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Speaking of Yobit's Investbox, you guys should check out their official Twitter account and have a laugh with those shills trying to promote it.
Look at this dude for example, Yobit doubled his BTC out of nowhere, who could resist an offer like that? Brilliant! smh  



Do you know what's really funny?
Those guys are not shilling for Yobit! Those are some other species of scammers altogether!
https://twitter.com/YobitExchange/status/1126208362822209544

The domain yobit-admin.net is used by these to impersonate yobit admins.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-everyone-dont-deposit-coin-to-yobitnet-5109313

The scam goes like this:

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I tried to resolve the problem with BSTY manually but there is a technical issue with your account
bla bla bla bla......

To pass the verification and activate all addresses and wallets please follow my instructions.

1. Create a new account on Yobit. Deposit 0.15 BTC to it.
2. Please log into your new Yobit account. Click on your user name in the top right corner and select Yobit codes.
3. Then select BTC and enter your full BTC balance. Click Create New Code. You will need to confirm it via email.
4. After you confirm the code don't activate it. Send the code to me and we will activate your new account and move balances from the old account to your new one.

You can figure out the outcome...
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Looking at the image, it seems Jacob and Pavel are both exemplary examples of what a shill should look like. I am not heaping praise on them but but merely pointing out the over-the-top recommendations.

One does not know whether to laugh or be saddened by the manner in which Yobit are trying to manipulate existing or potential users.


Speaking of Yobit's Investbox, you guys should check out their official Twitter account and have a laugh with those shills trying to promote it.
Look at this dude for example, Yobit doubled his BTC out of nowhere, who could resist an offer like that? Brilliant! smh  


legendary
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Speaking of Yobit's Investbox, you guys should check out their official Twitter account and have a laugh with those shills trying to promote it.
Look at this dude for example, Yobit doubled his BTC out of nowhere, who could resist an offer like that? Brilliant! smh 

legendary
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i took a closer look at the "investbox". coins like DOGE and BTC yield very low interest like 0.1%. it's only the fake coins printed by yobit (like X10) that are paid HYIP-like returns.
I wouldn't call 0.1% per day very low. That's 44% in a year! That money has to come from somewhere, and I'm pretty sure it's not coming from Yobit's pockets.

There are conditions for those 0.1% gains, o_e_l_e_o  posted what that ds means, 10 dice rolls a day on their dice game for doge, and for 0.1% in BTC you have to buy those on top:

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BTC   0.1%   Daily    BTC: 10 ds + 100 000 Frog + 30k Panda + 200 Sex   

so it's 10 dice rolls day (probably there is a minimum but I don't know what that is) and you have to buy coins worth 0.3 BTC.
Which will probably be worthless by the end of the year...




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