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Topic: You work your butt off, and a rich dude does nothing and gets rich - how? - page 8. (Read 23781 times)

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Banks, private debt, asset markets and money played essential roles in Minsky’s vision of capitalism, but they were completely ignored in mainstream economic models before the crisis. This is where Abbott was and is wrong: just because left-wing economists are ideological, it doesn’t follow that mainstream economics was logical. Crucially, its illogical decision to model capitalism as if banks, private debt and money didn’t exist led it massively astray when it came to perceive grave risks to the real economy.

Yeah exactly.  So why you keep thinking Central Banks and fractional reserve create money?

Central Banks create base money but half the money exists in shadow banking.   This is all uncharted territory and where the post-Keynesians & MMT'rs put their focus.  The issue is how to regulate shadow banking.  We already know how to deal w commercial banks


it is important to understand that any major changes to the regulation of shadow banking can cause huge effects as the shadow banking system is highly leveraged
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Fiat currency is the greatest Ponzi scheme in all of history.
I would disagree. Fiat us generally backed by the economy of the country that printed the fiat.
It should be very clear by now that banks are creating unlimited credit money on top of fiat. When the government then guarantees bank deposits, they effectively convert bank credit money into fiat.

Therefore, fiat is now the greatest Ponzi in all of history. This is because the banking sector is able to create unlimited amounts of effective fiat. See m3 money supply on page 1 of this post.
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@OP. You have logical flaw in your argument in the opening post.

Increased money supply is actually a bad thing for people that hold FIAT or investments that depend on the value of fiat. It is good for people/countries that have lot of debt.

Obviously this flaw doesn't change the fact that the kapitalism is sucking money from the workin folks and distributing upwards
Which is why rich people hold assets and not fiat. The fiat is being pumped into asset prices via private debt creation. Hope that makes sense.
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Fiat currency is the greatest Ponzi scheme in all of history.
I would disagree. Fiat us generally backed by the economy of the country that printed the fiat.
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Why house prices are so high: http://youtu.be/Y4WmDoYJhnk

It is purely caused by the kind of financial system that we have. Asset holders are not any smarter, they were simply born at the right time and into the right family.


How did you watch that video and conclude a correlation between rich and lucky.   Video said nothing about that.

You seem to have a comprehension problem

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Fiat currency is the greatest Ponzi scheme in all of history.
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Why house prices are so high: http://youtu.be/Y4WmDoYJhnk

It is purely caused by the kind of financial system that we have. Asset holders are not any smarter, they were simply born at the right time and into the right family.
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Sorry,
but dont really understand this chart the OP posted...
The world is like this: there is rich people and there is poor people..there is no middle point. Everyone who think he is in the middle point is actually poor. Thats it!

BR,
Gondel

This then this.
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Banks, private debt, asset markets and money played essential roles in Minsky’s vision of capitalism, but they were completely ignored in mainstream economic models before the crisis. This is where Abbott was and is wrong: just because left-wing economists are ideological, it doesn’t follow that mainstream economics was logical. Crucially, its illogical decision to model capitalism as if banks, private debt and money didn’t exist led it massively astray when it came to perceive grave risks to the real economy.

Yeah exactly.  So why you keep thinking Central Banks and fractional reserve create money?

Central Banks create base money but half the money exists in shadow banking.   This is all uncharted territory and where the post-Keynesians & MMT'rs put their focus.  The issue is how to regulate shadow banking.  We already know how to deal w commercial banks

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Banks, private debt, asset markets and money played essential roles in Minsky’s vision of capitalism, but they were completely ignored in mainstream economic models before the crisis. This is where Abbott was and is wrong: just because left-wing economists are ideological, it doesn’t follow that mainstream economics was logical. Crucially, its illogical decision to model capitalism as if banks, private debt and money didn’t exist led it massively astray when it came to perceive grave risks to the real economy.
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Mainstream economics has lost all credibility. Time for a new and better understanding of what goes on in our economies. Hopefully, we can all stand back and frankly assess where money actually comes from. And what effects that debt-money has on our economic systems.

Personally, I'm sick of the blind bandaid solutions that conventional economists have recommended. We can see the US will not achieve economic recovery, not even close. Something is wrong with the Greenspan/Bernanke/Yellen/Krugman view of economics. They have clearly been misled and are not wise enough to realise that their policies are hurting poor/middle classes whilst enriching the rich. There is no doubt in my mind they have caused great harm on ordinary people, whether intentionally or otherwise. Enough is enough. Let these blind people practice their crafts of self delusion on themselves. Get rid of them. Let them be recognised for what they are in history books. Let people write about what Tim and Hank did during the GFC.

There will be a new school of economics that will debunk the myths of mainstream economics, pointing out the very obvious flaws: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/7/21/global-news/are-students-revolting-or-it-economics

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So business-as-usual has returned. But it won’t be business-as-usual at Kingston. I’ve been hired with the express mandate to take a University that is open to non-orthodox thought in economics and make it even stronger. We will teach neoclassical economics as well, warts and all. And we will teach the many non-orthodox streams of thought (post Keynesian, evolutionary economics, econophysics) too.

In doing so, we’ll be responding to the successors of those students who, 41 years ago, fought for a different approach to economics at Sydney University. There are now at least 65 student organizations around the world calling for a new approach to economics in what they have titled ISIPE: the "International Student Initiative for Pluralism in Economics”.
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If anyone is actually interested in the subject of "inequality" then watch this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2215151/?ref_=nv_sr_1

And read this:

http://www.amazon.com/Capital-Twenty-First-Century-Thomas-Piketty/dp/067443000X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405911106&sr=8-1&keywords=piketty

The underlying causes have little to do w Federal Reserve or gold standard or fractional reserve banking.  Mostly it has to do with deregulation, globalization that coincides w rapid technological advancement
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Good article, I'll be spreading that one around.  Seems to be supported by this graph:



As soon as monetary supply was warped into something that could be manipulated, the average person's wages began to stagnate in real terms.  Productivity increases, but wages stay the same unless you're the company CEO. It's not some bizarre coincidence, it works that way by design.  Saying the system is 'rigged' doesn't even begin to describe it.  It's all an elaborate theft and transference of wealth.
Yes, it's even worse because real wages only covers inflation. Over and above ordinary inflation, asset prices have been jacked up at about two or three times the rate of inflation.

Hence, asset holders benefit twice: once via productivity gains they are not paying fair wages for and secondly via asset price increases which they have benefited from by doing nothing.

The biggest lie of debt based capitalism is that it is efficient at distributing resources. It does no such thing. It screws over those people who work and cannot afford assets; basically the most disadvantaged groups in society.
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Good article, I'll be spreading that one around.  Seems to be supported by this graph:



As soon as monetary supply was warped into something that could be manipulated, the average person's wages began to stagnate in real terms.  Productivity increases, but wages stay the same unless you're the company CEO. It's not some bizarre coincidence, it works that way by design.  Saying the system is 'rigged' doesn't even begin to describe it.  It's all an elaborate theft and transference of wealth.

Its likely because CEOs are paid w capital (stocks) and workers are paid for labor.  Cannot make conclusion w gold standard just by looking at that chart
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Good article, I'll be spreading that one around.  Seems to be supported by this graph:



As soon as monetary supply was warped into something that could be manipulated, the average person's wages began to stagnate in real terms.  Productivity increases, but wages stay the same unless you're the company CEO. It's not some bizarre coincidence, it works that way by design.  Saying the system is 'rigged' doesn't even begin to describe it.  It's all an elaborate theft and transference of wealth.

It is astonishing isn't it? And it is accelerating. I doubt the current system lasts much longer. I give it 10 years.
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Good article, I'll be spreading that one around.  Seems to be supported by this graph:



As soon as monetary supply was warped into something that could be manipulated, the average person's wages began to stagnate in real terms.  Productivity increases, but wages stay the same unless you're the company CEO. It's not some bizarre coincidence, it works that way by design.  Saying the system is 'rigged' doesn't even begin to describe it.  It's all an elaborate theft and transference of wealth.
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