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Topic: Your merit will find you! (Read 738 times)

Jaefdrasa16

brand new

Activity: 0

Merit: 0

Tessnik

member

Activity: 336

Merit: 16

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Hello sir I am new hear. I got to know how we get merits but I had seen such account whose account has 1000 activities but it has got 0 merit.
Is this possible to get 0 merit in such big activities. I am little confuse over this point.

Well the number of the activities you have does not amount to merit, the only way a post get merited is when the one meriting fine your post useful and worthy of smerit. Some accounts have so many activities but without merit because the posts are shitposts and pow quality. Try to improve on your post quality and the merit will start coming in.

Daniel91

legendary

Activity: 3374

Merit: 1824

Quote from: Crptomagma on December 20, 2020, 04:38:26 AM

Newbie can be very funny most times with their post but I don’t pay attention as to the strength of the post because I know they are Newbie and will learn how to compose quality post from other old members reading their topics and reply in all the boards.
I don’t want to want to focus on the Newbie that receives merit for a low quality post but rather want to question the user that gives out the merit.

The mere fact that someone has just registered on the forum doesn't mean that he is an absolute newbie who knows nothing about crypto Grin

On my local part of the forum we even have owners of very successful crypto companies who are still newbie because they don't have time to write on the forum.
As for sharing the merits, the thing is very simple.
No matter who wrote a quality post, a newbie, a young or an old member, he deserves to get a merit.
I agree that new members usually initially have less experience and knowledge about crypto and find it harder to get merit but they can share their experience and knowledge from other areas like politics, sports and more and surely someone will give them merit and recognize their effort.

NavI_027

full member

Activity: 1232

Merit: 186

Quote from: decodx on December 22, 2020, 01:49:51 PM

Quote from: Nelkel007 on December 21, 2020, 02:49:41 PM

Hello people, I'm still new here learning, so if you notice my post is quite unprofessional or unworthy bear with me. I'm self developing. And I need your understanding and patience. Don't be hard on us. We getting to the zenith together.

Appreciation 😊

You're a self developing? Then why posts like this?
You could easily find the answers to all these questions on your own, right?

Ahmm, due to laziness lol? Imagine, you can increase your activity while getting the answers for your question. Big brain move Grin

. But actually, such deed should not be practiced all the time because it makes you lazy for real. You will get used to depending on others, losing self confidence and make you less dedicated in every task you do.

But on the other side, he got some point. It was real that some experienced members (I'm guilty into to this sometimes) get ill tempered to newbies asking simple questions. We are so harsh that's why others left the forum or the worse is complaining a lot. I don't know if this dilemma will come to and end but as long as respect and compassion exist from both parties then it might be possible tho.

yemight600

jr. member

Activity: 518

Merit: 3

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on December 26, 2020, 03:21:38 AM

Quote from: yemight600 on December 25, 2020, 08:39:28 AM

This is the biggest illusion for all newbies. I was once in that shoe too 😂😂. I created topics I considered sensible and when looking at it now, I only laugh at myself. Creating topics doesn't always warrant merit, you just have to focus on yourself and forget about merit.

I looked at your story, and finally, I see a bounty hunter who, though two years later, starts communicating on the forum. We are glad about such changes, now start asking yourself questions: "Why do I need to bounty?" Join the study of more interesting topics on the forum. I think spending two years on the bounty cannot impress you with the earnings. During this time, your peers in registration have achieved much more. Therefore, your merits are still waiting for you.

Lol! You have no idea how much I laughed when i saw this 👆🏼. That's very true actually. The better bitter truth is "beyond all these bounties, their are much more advantage on this forum that one can benefit from". Most especially from the higher ranked ones. One just need to calm down and focus

lovesmayfamilis

legendary

Activity: 2072

Merit: 4265

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Quote from: yemight600 on December 25, 2020, 08:39:28 AM

yemight600

jr. member

Activity: 518

Merit: 3

Quote from: Alucard1 on December 19, 2020, 09:14:31 PM

Beginners are still beginners, we became beginners as well so we should understand them by creating such not that so useful topic, some of them including thinking that creating a topic will have the advantage of gaining merits, that is my way of thinking before until one person give me some realization with it. You don't need to create a topic, no one requires you to do so, if you cant create a quality topic then you may do replies for some topics that you understand, that way you can create a good post and gain merits.

decodx

hero member

Activity: 1428

Merit: 931

🇺🇦 Glory to Ukraine!

Quote from: Nelkel007 on December 21, 2020, 02:49:41 PM

You're a self developing? Then why posts like this?
You could easily find the answers to all these questions on your own, right?

Nelkel007

newbie

Activity: 28

Merit: 4

lovesmayfamilis

legendary

Activity: 2072

Merit: 4265

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Quote from: Crptomagma on December 20, 2020, 04:38:26 AM

All this is understandable when a real beginner writes. His questions may look somewhat illogical, a little funny, and this creates an understanding that he is the first time on the forum, and is trying to understand something.
But there are a lot of those who are "type" newbies. They start creating guides, explaining the rules to everyone, at a time when their message history is full of bounty reports. And if you dig further, then they have a lot of prohibited accounts.
Today the situation with joining the bounty has become somewhat complicated, and you need to have at least a few merits, these are the "newbies" and churn out such manuals.
And this is very annoying.
There is no normal discussion, communication, and interesting questions. It all comes down to the topic of earning merit. It is for this reason that this theme was created.
Even if newcomers have interesting questions, even for such questions there is an opportunity to receive merit.
I just want everyone to hear it.

Coyster

legendary

Activity: 1946

Merit: 1224

'Life's but a walking shadow'!

Quote from: Crptomagma on December 20, 2020, 04:38:26 AM

I don’t want to want to focus on the Newbie that receives merit for a low quality post but rather want to question the user that gives out the merit.

Mind you that the issue of sending merits to users is highly subjective, and from a normal standpoint, a newbie isn't expected to post HQ stuff from the very beginning, that's if the user is really a newbie to crypto and the forum and not an alt account, so the criteria to reward a newbie merit would hence be different from that of let's say a hero member, who has been in the network for longer, that's if the user (hero) isn't a bought account or something. Having said that, you should not be surprised if you see a newbie being merited for something you don't consider as HQ, and at other times, users use merits to encourage newbies who are showing effort to learn.

Crptomagma

member

Activity: 350

Merit: 37

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Alucard1

full member

Activity: 574

Merit: 125

hatshepsut93

legendary

Activity: 2954

Merit: 2145

Quote from: btcwish1 on December 14, 2020, 01:39:56 PM

To be brutally honest, This 'merit' system is completely flawed!( IMHO)

Merit system helped deal with the signature spam problem. In the past, a huge number of new was only coming here for ICO bounties, and ICO scammers were hiring people regardless of rank, because it hosted them nothing to pay people with tokens printed out of thin air. If theymos didn't invent merit system, he would have no choice but to remove signatures and kill signature campaigns.

Merit system is not perfectly objective in every case, but it doesn't need to be, as long as it works on a large scale, it has served its purpose.

decodx

hero member

Activity: 1428

Merit: 931

🇺🇦 Glory to Ukraine!

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on December 16, 2020, 08:01:40 AM

… despite the fact that I generated it through a random AI content page generator (the second one I tried).

If we start getting more and more posts like this from your example, maybe AI is just what we need. You know, fight fire with fire. Wink

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on December 16, 2020, 08:01:40 AM

AI, were it to be a feasible ranker (with an 'r', not a 'w') would, in any case, be a centralized criteria. I think that the grace of the Merit System is to have diverse criteria, although I’m all in for it to be even more diverse than it currently is.

Centralized? Yes. This forum is centralized, too. As long as the AI was neutral and objective, I wouldn't have any issues with it. People are rarely neutral or objective.

I'm just saying you, with the pace of technology advances, I doubt that this forum can survive in this form as it is now.

yemight600

jr. member

Activity: 518

Merit: 3

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on December 13, 2020, 08:58:04 AM

A question arose that probably worries many here.
I want to appeal to newbies, where did you get the idea that by creating a topic, you will do something useful to the forum?
Recently, this is very striking. Each time you enter this section, one may wonder how smart our newcomers have become. They create many tutorials for beginners.
And then I ask myself, wise or cunning?
Today our newbies need everything at once. Those who have been on the forum for years understand what they need to go through to raise their rank.
Some of them decided that everyone has a responsibility to help, and the more generous this help, the sooner they will have their dream of participating in bounty campaigns or subscription campaigns come true.
I remember that such questions have already been raised. To prevent newbies from starting threads, and I understand this is somewhat unfair, but could there be some way to regulate the questions they ask?

Does this account motivate someone? What is this for? Huh

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5299618

Further
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/adhere-and-avoid-being-scamed-5298792
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-5298497

Another sly one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5298713
He wants to know about bitcoins and blah blah.
What about the forum itself? After all, to answer this question, you can rewrite the entire forum.

All this is what, beginners today figured out a good formula for themselves. You create a theme, you get the merit.
How can you limit this business? Otherwise, such topics really appear with questions like
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5299049

How to convey to newcomers that they will still get their merits, a good post will never go unnoticed. You don't have to be so rushed.
And you don't have to create a bunch of identical themes for that. Roll Eyes

I never knew I wasn't the only one who noticed this. Before i give my opinion, i think i should commend the moderator for tirelessly working just to keep making the forum a great place to be.

Newbies probably want to acquire everything at a time so to make this happen, they have to be recognized (by creating topics). Their are several topics on the forum which still means the same thing. Most especially "how to increase rank". Limiting newbies chances of creating post won't be good enough but i think moderators should start deleting topics which is related to an already existing topic in the forum.

skarais

legendary

Activity: 2464

Merit: 2094

Quote from: decodx on December 16, 2020, 06:06:03 AM

Accounts rank-up should be handled by artificial intelligence. Judging by the amount of posts currently on the forum, I believe it would be possible to set up a machine learning algorithm to assess the quality of each individual member. For example, we have members who write 99% of their posts in bounty sections. Their activity on the forum should not have any impact on rank-up, IMHO.

I'm not sure that's needed now and in the future. Although some people feel that this merit system does not reflect justice for every user but it is almost impossible for the merit source to miss user quality post and if any then they still have a way of distributing it via report on a special thread. Post quality is a requirement to earn merit and move up the ranking. Quality assessment is done manually and also objectively, it's up to you where to post it. As long as it's a quality post then you'll likely get what you want sooner or later.

This forum is a place of learning devoted to bitcoin and other cryptocurrency lovers. As usual in the real world, not all student will be high achieving student when they graduate from school and this is also the case on bitcoin forum. I think there is a clear correlation between the real world and forum, we are different but both are the people who are helping this technology to develop. You have to realize that in order to move up the rank you need to have more effort than now, I don't think reason after reason can help achieve all of this. We can become quality poster and move up the rank, but we can't achieve all of that until we start. Do it now.

Coyster

legendary

Activity: 1946

Merit: 1224

'Life's but a walking shadow'!

Quote from: decodx on December 16, 2020, 06:06:03 AM

For example, we have members who write 99% of their posts in bounty sections. Their activity on the forum should not have any impact on rank-up, IMHO.

Users who post LQ posts and by extension fill up the bounty section with all of their posts wouldn't rank up and no matter how much activity they have, would struggle to even earn more than one merit (cross Jr member rank), so their activity is still inconsequential and it shows that the merit system is working and there is no need for AI to assess users posts.

Quote from: decodx on December 16, 2020, 06:06:03 AM

Accounts rank-up should be handled by artificial intelligence. Judging by the amount of posts currently on the forum

This system will still be criticized, it's somewhat not possible to find a system that wouldn't be scrutinized, the current system that has to do with merits for users before they rank up is the best imo, there's no need to hand the power over to a bot or a machine, it'll be complicating things too much, if you're a poster and you construct HQ posts, you'll definitely rank up, that means there's no need for change.

DdmrDdmr

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 10758

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain

Quote from: decodx on December 16, 2020, 06:06:03 AM

<…> I believe it would be possible to set up a machine learning algorithm to assess the quality of each individual member. <…>

We could implement some sort of ranking algorithm to determine which posts are important. I'm not sure how we would enforce it, though. So far, the forums have been very lenient on new members. That means I have to ask, who is worth my time? I would like to be able to give a recommendation.

In the future, we could potentially extend this process to have a more comprehensive list of what is important to each member, with the ability for members to vote and help make decisions based upon their opinions. This might sound really awesome in theory, but there are just too many variables that can affect how people rate content on Bitcointalk.

The above cursive text of mine is not a great content from my point of view, and it’s a bit weird to me. While being comprehensible in wording, it is not so much in the underlying key idea it is trying to state, and its relation to your comment is not that direct. It actually does not differ too much, from what other people may write here, and in general terms, an account with such type of posts may, in a more discrete board, pass-off inadvertedly. AI could even consider it count worthy towards ranking … despite the fact that I generated it through a random AI content page generator (the second one I tried).

AI, were it to be a feasible ranker (with an 'r', not a 'w') would, in any case, be a centralized criteria. I think that the grace of the Merit System is to have diverse criteria, although I’m all in for it to be even more diverse than it currently is.

lovesmayfamilis

legendary

Activity: 2072

Merit: 4265

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Quote from: decodx on December 16, 2020, 06:06:03 AM

A somewhat strange assumption. Do you think that if AI is in charge of rating posts, then those who, in your opinion, write reports on awards will not understand that they just need to move on to other sections?
Set an example in which the most common bounty hunter is suddenly promoted. Surely for this, he applied at least a minimum of his actions.