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legendary
Activity: 3374
Merit: 1548
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Loan Amount: 0.5 BTC
Reason for Taking out a Loan: Personal
Amount to be repaid: 0.605
Repayment Date: December 31 2022 (3 months or sooner)
Bitcoin address: bc1q0m770s58x06rqkvyvlcxujpy039uue0m0nszgs

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This is Dabs, today is September 27 2022 and I ask a loan from zazarb in 3 months period with repayment of 0.605 BTC.
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legendary
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Merit: 1912
The Concierge of Crypto
Loan Amount: 0.5 BTC
Reason for Taking out a Loan: Personal
Amount to be repaid: 0.605
Repayment Date: December 31 2022 (3 months or sooner)
Bitcoin address: bc1q0m770s58x06rqkvyvlcxujpy039uue0m0nszgs

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legendary
Activity: 3374
Merit: 1548
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Loan Amount: 0.25 BTC
Reason for Taking out a Loan: The reason for the loan is to purchase this tickets https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/4-24092022-026-btc-5414532 to leave Russia as soon as possible
Amount to be repaid: 0.27 BTC
Repayment Date: 26 September 2022 when I receive my salary
Type of Collateral: None
Bitcoin Address: 3Kxdbq8BhRg6A4bsmUjyCv9b6UN5jbYeEM

Denied
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 0
Loan Amount: 0.25 BTC
Reason for Taking out a Loan: The reason for the loan is to purchase this tickets https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/4-24092022-026-btc-5414532 to leave Russia as soon as possible
Amount to be repaid: 0.27 BTC
Repayment Date: 26 September 2022 when I receive my salary
Type of Collateral: None
Bitcoin Address: 3Kxdbq8BhRg6A4bsmUjyCv9b6UN5jbYeEM
legendary
Activity: 3626
Merit: 2209
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I can only see 2.0 BTC in the wallet address 1zazarbojD21aRu2dpFYz7KxFDKgwSDtK which either means one person has deposited the required 2.0 BTC bet, or, both parties have only deposited half of their agreed wager amount (or some other combination) so this may turn very ugly very quickly.
newbie
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Merit: 55
Hi Zarzarb,

Noting only for future reference at this time:

In the last 24 hours Fatman has informed me, for the first time, that he intends to initiate a dispute in respect of the application of clause 3, should application of the clause become necessary.

Specifically he has indicated that he intends to claim victory, and full payment of the bet, should the tax be reduced by LUNC governance vote below the 0.9% threshold, or cancelled entirely, between 20/09/2022 and 01/01/2023. I strongly object to this and maintain it is an attempt to alter the original agreement. As such, there is a possible dispute looming.

No further action is required right now. At this moment it is possible (and my strong hope) that the bet can be concluded without needing to 'test' the application of clause 3. This will be the case if the tax is not reduced below 0.9% or cancelled by LUNC governance before 01/01/2023. Fatman has confirmed today that there remains agreement between us in respect of all other clauses.

I want to highight clause 6 which states:

Hi Zazarb,

I've noted Fatman's below post and I agree.

Many thanks


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@FatMan, you’ve offered a bet, and I @nubcake_MeoW_  accepted, that we both contribute 1BTC with the winner taking all proceeds (2BTC minus escrow fees)

The bet originated as a response to your following statement 08/09/2022 on TR discord:
No major exchange will ever support a 1.2% burn tax for off-chain trades. It will simply never happen and there's no point talking about it because it's a silly idea. If you disagree, I am happy to bet on it.

You maintain the statement will prove true, and if it does you win the bet.
I maintain the statement will not prove true, and if it does not, I win the bet.

For clarity on both sides, we have discussed the key points and terms in detail and agreed as follows:

1. ‘Major exchanges’ are defined by you as: Binance, Kraken, KuCoin, Huobi, Coinbase, FTX, Gemini
2. A burn tax is defined as a mandatory >0.9% fee taken out of amounts traded on LUNC spot trading pairs with the intention of burning the proceeds. This definition only includes a tax levied on amounts traded internally on the exchange and does not include on-chain burns (ie. burns caused by withdrawals from or deposits to the exchange).
Non-exhaustive examples of nubcake winning:
- Binance increases their spot trading fee to >0.9% and forces it on users across all LUNC spot trades and sends it to the burn wallet.
- Binance automatically deducts >0.9% of every LUNC purchase's proceeds to send to the burn wallet.
- If the recent MEXC burn described in the following link had been implemented by one of the exchanges noted in this bet https://support.mexc.com/hc/en-001/articles/10122048174105.
The spirit of the bet is that if someone trades $100 of LUNC, the exchange takes >$0.9 (this number is X) to burn and gives ($100 - X) to the user on the other end of the trade, regardless of how it is specifically implemented.
3. If Terra Classic governance alters the on-chain burn tax to be less than 0.9%, or removes it entirely, the bet is considered void and both parties are refunded less an equal contribution to the escrow fees.
4. The ‘burn tax’ must be announced by one of the above listed CEX before 01/01/2023 and implemented no later than 01/01/2024 for nubcake to ‘win’. If this does not occur FatMan ‘wins’. In the case that a ‘win’ becomes clearly apparent, or is otherwise agreed by the parties, the proceeds of the bet are to be immediately paid to the winning party, less any escrow fees which are to be taken from the proceeds.
5. The parties will organise separately the escrow arrangements and each pay their 1BTC into escrow within 4 days of the escrow arrangements being agreed.
6. In the event of a dispute, the escrow provider will determine the ‘winner’ on their sole discretion but must rely on this agreement as the sole basis for their decision.


Here are the terms we both agreed to. The executive summary is if the Terra Classic chain implements a burn tax of 0.9% or higher per transaction, the bet becomes active - I win if no major exchange implements a burn tax on trades and nubcake wins if any major exchange does (refer to the above message for finer details). If the Terra Classic chain does not implement such a burn tax, the bet is voided (you can keep the escrow fee and return the bets to us). It's unlikely that there will be a dispute (it will be quite clear to both of us who won), but in the event that one of us acts in bad faith or if the outcome is ambiguous, please refer to the above message in order to determine who won.

If this works for you, please post your address. nubcake will post here as well to confirm their account. We will send the money to you within four days from the time you post your address. Thank you.

Quoted
legendary
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Many thanks to both of you.

When I win, please pay out to bc1qj2r3ual3ve7n5q4wkgnf87ct673zk4ww56ydvn.

Under no circumstances will I change this address. If I attempt to, assume my account to be compromised.

Good luck!

Quoted
copper member
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Many thanks to both of you.

When I win, please pay out to bc1qj2r3ual3ve7n5q4wkgnf87ct673zk4ww56ydvn.

Under no circumstances will I change this address. If I attempt to, assume my account to be compromised.

Good luck!
legendary
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Regarding the possible increase, coming back to you on it: we decided to split the escrow between two providers to spread the risk given the size of the transaction.


No problem, do what you think is best for them.
newbie
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Regarding the possible increase, coming back to you on it: we decided to split the escrow between two providers to spread the risk given the size of the transaction.

legendary
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Here will be  the escrow agreement fort betting,  between FatManTerra and nubcake_MeoW_
 Terms of deal  in quoted message: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60912731

Escrow address: 1zazarbojD21aRu2dpFYz7KxFDKgwSDtK

Participants please fund the above escrow address with 2 BTC( 1BTC each)


Upon confirmation of winner and review , I will release a total of 2 BTC ( escrow fee 1% and transaction fee will be deducted)
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Signature verified and BTC sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ddb439f5c03a82a0273568411b0c222cb7e763574fdaf80adac161197fbfbf1b

Thank you.

Confirmed as received

BTC sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ddb439f5c03a82a0273568411b0c222cb7e763574fdaf80adac161197fbfbf1b

Please record my return wallet address for future reference: 1MLnUWTYzvL1iqzC52H1ZD9c93s9TnFw82 (please only refund to this address should I win the bet, will not be altered later)

Many thanks Smiley

Confirmed
newbie
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Here will be  the escrow agreement fort betting,  between FatManTerra and nubcake_MeoW_
 Terms of deal  in quoted message: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60912731

Escrow address: 1zazarbojD21aRu2dpFYz7KxFDKgwSDtK

Participants please fund the above escrow address with 2 BTC( 1BTC each)


Upon confirmation of winner and review , I will release a total of 2 BTC ( escrow fee 1% and transaction fee will be deducted)
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Signature verified and BTC sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ddb439f5c03a82a0273568411b0c222cb7e763574fdaf80adac161197fbfbf1b

Thank you.

Confirmed as received

BTC sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ddb439f5c03a82a0273568411b0c222cb7e763574fdaf80adac161197fbfbf1b

Please record my return wallet address for future reference: 1MLnUWTYzvL1iqzC52H1ZD9c93s9TnFw82 (please only refund to this address should I win the bet, will not be altered later)

Many thanks Smiley
legendary
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Here will be  the escrow agreement fort betting,  between FatManTerra and nubcake_MeoW_
 Terms of deal  in quoted message: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60912731

Escrow address: 1zazarbojD21aRu2dpFYz7KxFDKgwSDtK

Participants please fund the above escrow address with 2 BTC( 1BTC each)


Upon confirmation of winner and review , I will release a total of 2 BTC ( escrow fee 1% and transaction fee will be deducted)
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Signature verified and BTC sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ddb439f5c03a82a0273568411b0c222cb7e763574fdaf80adac161197fbfbf1b

Thank you.

Confirmed as received

Hey, the two of us would like to double up on the same bet. 2 BTC each instead of 1 BTC each. Would you be okay with that? (I'll send you an extra bitcoin and nubcake will send you a total of two.) Let me know. Thanks.
yes, you can do it.

Apologies, I jumped the gun on this one. nubcake would prefer for me to consult other escrow services to spread out counterparty risk, so we'll stick to the 1 BTC with you for now. If that doesn't pan out as expected, I will let you know. Sorry, hope that's okay.

No problem
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Here will be  the escrow agreement fort betting,  between FatManTerra and nubcake_MeoW_
 Terms of deal  in quoted message: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60912731

Escrow address: 1zazarbojD21aRu2dpFYz7KxFDKgwSDtK

Participants please fund the above escrow address with 2 BTC( 1BTC each)


Upon confirmation of winner and review , I will release a total of 2 BTC ( escrow fee 1% and transaction fee will be deducted)
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Signature verified and BTC sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ddb439f5c03a82a0273568411b0c222cb7e763574fdaf80adac161197fbfbf1b

Thank you.

Confirmed as received

Hey, the two of us would like to double up on the same bet. 2 BTC each instead of 1 BTC each. Would you be okay with that? (I'll send you an extra bitcoin and nubcake will send you a total of two.) Let me know. Thanks.
yes, you can do it.

Apologies, I jumped the gun on this one. nubcake would prefer for me to consult other escrow services to spread out counterparty risk, so we'll stick to the 1 BTC with you for now. If that doesn't pan out as expected, I will let you know. Sorry, hope that's okay.
legendary
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Here will be  the escrow agreement fort betting,  between FatManTerra and nubcake_MeoW_
 Terms of deal  in quoted message: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60912731

Escrow address: 1zazarbojD21aRu2dpFYz7KxFDKgwSDtK

Participants please fund the above escrow address with 2 BTC( 1BTC each)


Upon confirmation of winner and review , I will release a total of 2 BTC ( escrow fee 1% and transaction fee will be deducted)
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Signature verified and BTC sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ddb439f5c03a82a0273568411b0c222cb7e763574fdaf80adac161197fbfbf1b

Thank you.

Confirmed as received

Hey, the two of us would like to double up on the same bet. 2 BTC each instead of 1 BTC each. Would you be okay with that? (I'll send you an extra bitcoin and nubcake will send you a total of two.) Let me know. Thanks.
yes, you can do it.
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Activity: 40
Merit: 60
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Here will be  the escrow agreement fort betting,  between FatManTerra and nubcake_MeoW_
 Terms of deal  in quoted message: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60912731

Escrow address: 1zazarbojD21aRu2dpFYz7KxFDKgwSDtK

Participants please fund the above escrow address with 2 BTC( 1BTC each)


Upon confirmation of winner and review , I will release a total of 2 BTC ( escrow fee 1% and transaction fee will be deducted)
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Signature verified and BTC sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ddb439f5c03a82a0273568411b0c222cb7e763574fdaf80adac161197fbfbf1b

Thank you.

Confirmed as received

Hey, the two of us would like to double up on the same bet. 2 BTC each instead of 1 BTC each. Would you be okay with that? (I'll send you an extra bitcoin and nubcake will send you a total of two.) Let me know. Thanks.
legendary
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Here will be  the escrow agreement fort betting,  between FatManTerra and nubcake_MeoW_
 Terms of deal  in quoted message: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60912731

Escrow address: 1zazarbojD21aRu2dpFYz7KxFDKgwSDtK

Participants please fund the above escrow address with 2 BTC( 1BTC each)


Upon confirmation of winner and review , I will release a total of 2 BTC ( escrow fee 1% and transaction fee will be deducted)
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Signature verified and BTC sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ddb439f5c03a82a0273568411b0c222cb7e763574fdaf80adac161197fbfbf1b

Thank you.

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Here will be  the escrow agreement fort betting,  between FatManTerra and nubcake_MeoW_
 Terms of deal  in quoted message: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60912731

Escrow address: 1zazarbojD21aRu2dpFYz7KxFDKgwSDtK

Participants please fund the above escrow address with 2 BTC( 1BTC each)


Upon confirmation of winner and review , I will release a total of 2 BTC ( escrow fee 1% and transaction fee will be deducted)
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Signature verified and BTC sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ddb439f5c03a82a0273568411b0c222cb7e763574fdaf80adac161197fbfbf1b

Thank you.
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Get loan in just five minutes goo.gl/8WMW6n
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 Terms of deal  in quoted message: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60912731

Escrow address: 1zazarbojD21aRu2dpFYz7KxFDKgwSDtK

Participants please fund the above escrow address with 2 BTC( 1BTC each)


Upon confirmation of winner and review , I will release a total of 2 BTC ( escrow fee 1% and transaction fee will be deducted)
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legendary
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Hi Zazarb,

I've noted Fatman's below post and I agree.

Many thanks


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@FatMan, you’ve offered a bet, and I @nubcake_MeoW_  accepted, that we both contribute 1BTC with the winner taking all proceeds (2BTC minus escrow fees)

The bet originated as a response to your following statement 08/09/2022 on TR discord:
No major exchange will ever support a 1.2% burn tax for off-chain trades. It will simply never happen and there's no point talking about it because it's a silly idea. If you disagree, I am happy to bet on it.

You maintain the statement will prove true, and if it does you win the bet.
I maintain the statement will not prove true, and if it does not, I win the bet.

For clarity on both sides, we have discussed the key points and terms in detail and agreed as follows:

1. ‘Major exchanges’ are defined by you as: Binance, Kraken, KuCoin, Huobi, Coinbase, FTX, Gemini
2. A burn tax is defined as a mandatory >0.9% fee taken out of amounts traded on LUNC spot trading pairs with the intention of burning the proceeds. This definition only includes a tax levied on amounts traded internally on the exchange and does not include on-chain burns (ie. burns caused by withdrawals from or deposits to the exchange).
Non-exhaustive examples of nubcake winning:
- Binance increases their spot trading fee to >0.9% and forces it on users across all LUNC spot trades and sends it to the burn wallet.
- Binance automatically deducts >0.9% of every LUNC purchase's proceeds to send to the burn wallet.
- If the recent MEXC burn described in the following link had been implemented by one of the exchanges noted in this bet https://support.mexc.com/hc/en-001/articles/10122048174105.
The spirit of the bet is that if someone trades $100 of LUNC, the exchange takes >$0.9 (this number is X) to burn and gives ($100 - X) to the user on the other end of the trade, regardless of how it is specifically implemented.
3. If Terra Classic governance alters the on-chain burn tax to be less than 0.9%, or removes it entirely, the bet is considered void and both parties are refunded less an equal contribution to the escrow fees.
4. The ‘burn tax’ must be announced by one of the above listed CEX before 01/01/2023 and implemented no later than 01/01/2024 for nubcake to ‘win’. If this does not occur FatMan ‘wins’. In the case that a ‘win’ becomes clearly apparent, or is otherwise agreed by the parties, the proceeds of the bet are to be immediately paid to the winning party, less any escrow fees which are to be taken from the proceeds.
5. The parties will organise separately the escrow arrangements and each pay their 1BTC into escrow within 4 days of the escrow arrangements being agreed.
6. In the event of a dispute, the escrow provider will determine the ‘winner’ on their sole discretion but must rely on this agreement as the sole basis for their decision.


Here are the terms we both agreed to. The executive summary is if the Terra Classic chain implements a burn tax of 0.9% or higher per transaction, the bet becomes active - I win if no major exchange implements a burn tax on trades and nubcake wins if any major exchange does (refer to the above message for finer details). If the Terra Classic chain does not implement such a burn tax, the bet is voided (you can keep the escrow fee and return the bets to us). It's unlikely that there will be a dispute (it will be quite clear to both of us who won), but in the event that one of us acts in bad faith or if the outcome is ambiguous, please refer to the above message in order to determine who won.

If this works for you, please post your address. nubcake will post here as well to confirm their account. We will send the money to you within four days from the time you post your address. Thank you.

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