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Topic: ZTEX USB-FPGA Modules 1.15x and 1.15y: 215 and 860 MH/s FPGA Boards - page 18. (Read 182450 times)

sr. member
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I was playing around with two 120mm fans. Let's make it short: It was disappointing ! No matter from where you blow at the board you will not gain more than 4 MHz. Looks like things are really maxed out with this heatsink.

Please post some pics lol. Of your board that is.
legendary
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BitMinter
I was playing around with two 120mm fans. Let's make it short: It was disappointing ! No matter from where you blow at the board you will not gain more than 4 MHz. Looks like things are really maxed out with this heatsink.
hero member
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My quad was not working properly at first. I reapplied new thermal compound and the heatsinks. Then it worked perfect Smiley

 My new single, that I programmed with the wron bitstream, works verry well to. It runs 220 MHz with the stock cooler and stock thermal compound!;)
donator
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ZTEX FPGA Boards
without bottom heatsink and fan (fan is recommended)
between 212MH/s and 216MH/s with error rates abou 0.3-0.6%

with bottom heatsink and fan
now 220MH/s with 0.00% error rate

The bottom side of the PCB only gets hot if the heat transfer on the top side of the chip is insufficient.

If heat sink is installed properly the temperature on the bottom side is about 10°C over ambient temperature. Cooling it down by 5°C would cool down the chip by about 2°C (due to the bad thermal conductivity of the PCB). This has no effect.

Use low viscostity thermal grease (e.g. the one delivered with the cooler) and the (big) "blob in the center" method: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.875211 . This is simple, quick and save.



hero member
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i have allocated it around the chip not only in the middle. why it was such a big step I don't know.
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What about high end thermal pad's, like Phobya XT (http://www.cool4pc.de/Phobya_Waermeleitpad_XT_7Wmk_05mm_120x20mm_fuer_ramplex_innovatek_Mips_Koolance.html)? Is it worth a try?

Good thermal pads can be used. (But not the ones delivered with the cooler. They are quite poor).

Thermal grease is better because the layer should always be thinner than a pad.

I recommend low viscosity thermal grease (if you are from Germany you can use item no. "LEITPASTE 20GR" from http://www.reichelt.de) and the "blob in the center" method. It is simple, quick and save. I use this method for testing new batches and never had any problems.


I've tried Arctic MX 2. It's better than Artic Silver 5, but I could not experience such a huge step like Chefnet:

or better cooling, my single went up from 204 to 220 with artic mx-2 under the cooler

... usually I get 4-8 Mhz more.

Code:
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A347274B-1: f=200.00MHz,  errorRate=0.00%,  maxErrorRate=0.58%,  hashRate=200.0MH/s,  submitted 12 new nonces,  luckFactor=0.99
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A347274B-2: f=204.00MHz,  errorRate=0.00%,  maxErrorRate=1.52%,  hashRate=204.0MH/s,  submitted 17 new nonces,  luckFactor=0.97
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A347274B-3: f=196.00MHz,  errorRate=0.00%,  maxErrorRate=0.81%,  hashRate=196.0MH/s,  submitted 10 new nonces,  luckFactor=1.03
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A347274B-4: f=200.00MHz,  errorRate=0.00%,  maxErrorRate=1.18%,  hashRate=200.0MH/s,  submitted 19 new nonces,  luckFactor=1.02
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002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A347274B-2: f=208.00MHz,  errorRate=0.00%,  maxErrorRate=0.50%,  hashRate=208.0MH/s,  submitted 9 new nonces,  luckFactor=0.96
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A347274B-3: f=200.00MHz,  errorRate=0.00%,  maxErrorRate=0.62%,  hashRate=200.0MH/s,  submitted 11 new nonces,  luckFactor=0.98
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A347274B-4: f=204.00MHz,  errorRate=0.00%,  maxErrorRate=0.99%,  hashRate=204.0MH/s,  submitted 15 new nonces,  luckFactor=0.96
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A3476278-1: f=208.00MHz,  errorRate=0.65%,  maxErrorRate=3.22%,  hashRate=206.6MH/s,  submitted 18 new nonces,  luckFactor=0.96

@Chefnet: How do you apply the grease? A blob in the middle? How much? Moving the heatsink around, or just pushing it down?

The one problematic board still sucks. Hashrate went up:
Code:
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A3476278-1: f=200.00MHz,  errorRate=0.87%,  maxErrorRate=1.00%,  hashRate=198.3MH/s,  submitted 14 new nonces,  luckFactor=0.82
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A3476278-2: f=196.00MHz,  errorRate=0.23%,  maxErrorRate=0.55%,  hashRate=195.5MH/s,  submitted 16 new nonces,  luckFactor=0.88
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A3476278-3: f=196.00MHz,  errorRate=0.00%,  maxErrorRate=0.81%,  hashRate=196.0MH/s,  submitted 13 new nonces,  luckFactor=0.83
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A3476278-4: f=192.00MHz,  errorRate=0.11%,  maxErrorRate=0.50%,  hashRate=191.8MH/s,  submitted 10 new nonces,  luckFactor=0.95
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002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A3476278-1: f=208.00MHz,  errorRate=0.81%,  maxErrorRate=3.22%,  hashRate=206.3MH/s,  submitted 16 new nonces,  luckFactor=0.96
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A3476278-2: f=204.00MHz,  errorRate=0.26%,  maxErrorRate=1.20%,  hashRate=203.5MH/s,  submitted 17 new nonces,  luckFactor=1.06
002-1: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A3476278-3: f=204.00MHz,  errorRate=0.04%,  maxErrorRate=3.01%,  hashRate=203.9MH/s,  submitted 15 new nonces,  luckFactor=0.98
002-1: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A3476278-4: f=196.00MHz,  errorRate=0.00%,  maxErrorRate=0.56%,  hashRate=196.0MH/s,  submitted 10 new nonces,  luckFactor=1.06

...but No.4 still is below 200 Mhz and I'm getting FPGA-shutdowns (5 times since yesterday):
Code:
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A3476278-1: Error: Hash rate drop of 5.8% detect. This may be caused by overheating. FPGA is shut down to prevent damage.  51.99384114688102: Device disabled since 2012-05-02T03:05:59
002-0: ztex_ufm1_15y1-04A3476278-2: Error: Hash rate drop of 5.4% detect. This may be caused by overheating. FPGA is shut down to prevent damage.  51.772818289686384: Device disabled since 2012-05-02T02:57:22
donator
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Most likely I will go with the passive VGA memory coolers, but I am surprised I haven't got any "you're crazy" comments for my other idea.
sr. member
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I bought  4 heatsinks to mount in fromthe bottom through thermalpad.
Best bacplate ever.
I`ll try to watercool it and report the effect.
legendary
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So it looks like the bottom heatsink and fan is definitely helping with the speed/thermals.  I am going to give it a test.  

Does anybody know if the heatsink has to be suspended in air?  I am putting these babies on top of a wooden rack.  I was thinking of supporting the middle with another screw since I have noticed the board (quads) to flex a little bit.  Now I am thinking of covering the bottom with a piece of thermal pad that is supported by a heatsink (I have ~20 old 1U socket 478 Cu heatsinks).  I assume that as long as the pad/case is non-conductive/capacitive I should be alright. But please let me know if this wouldn't work before I experiment.  (@pazor:  Your setup is definitely more elegant.  But I have a number of boards and the cost with the screws/added heatsinks is a consideration.)

FPGA
pad (fasten to the board via the 4 standoff screws, maybe the Fujipoly thermal pad, frozencpu dot com)
heatsink (same height as the 4 raised standoffs)
Wood

The alternative is to use 4 passive VGA coolers attached to the bottom of the LX150.  Probably safer and cleaner.

try to use the 4 passive vga coolers and take a fan to blow constantly from the bottom.
i think that should make sense.

if i change my cooling setup with the two titan heatsink/fan combination i will report the results.

good luck!
donator
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So it looks like the bottom heatsink and fan is definitely helping with the speed/thermals.  I am going to give it a test.  

Does anybody know if the heatsink has to be suspended in air?  I am putting these babies on top of a wooden rack.  I was thinking of supporting the middle with another screw since I have noticed the board (quads) to flex a little bit.  Now I am thinking of covering the bottom with a piece of thermal pad that is supported by a heatsink (I have ~20 old 1U socket 478 Cu heatsinks).  I assume that as long as the pad/case is non-conductive/capacitive I should be alright. But please let me know if this wouldn't work before I experiment.  (@pazor:  Your setup is definitely more elegant.  But I have a number of boards and the cost with the screws/added heatsinks is a consideration.)

FPGA
pad (fasten to the board via the 4 standoff screws, maybe the Fujipoly thermal pad, frozencpu dot com)
heatsink (same height as the 4 raised standoffs)
Wood

The alternative is to use 4 passive VGA coolers attached to the bottom of the LX150.  Probably safer and cleaner.
legendary
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Interesting thought to put a heatsink on the bottom.  Maybe I will experiment with it as well.  
@pazor:  What speeds are you getting without the bottom heatsink?

without bottom heatsink and fan (fan is recommended)
between 212MH/s and 216MH/s with error rates abou 0.3-0.6%

with bottom heatsink and fan
now 220MH/s with 0.00% error rate

next step:
i replace the xilence heatsink and fan (top) and the zalman heatsink and fan (bottom) with 2x titan heatsink and fan.
make an sandwich

fan
heatsink
grease
fpga
pcb
grease
pad
grease
heatsink
fan

the pad is used because the pcb is not plain enough for the heatsink
i will try to reach 224MH/s with 0.00% error rate
 Grin
legendary
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BitMinter
I regreased the 204 chip with no effect. Looks like it's going to fall back to 200 MHz after longer runtime. Not tragic but interesting to see the differences.
donator
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Interesting thought to put a heatsink on the bottom.  Maybe I will experiment with it as well. 
@pazor:  What speeds are you getting without the bottom heatsink?
legendary
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BitMinter
Got my Quad today Cheesy. Speed is as expected. Thanks god no 196 chip... 1x 212, 2x 208 and 1x 204 MHz with the stock fans. I plan to replace the 40mm fans with two 120mm fans, one from above and one from below plus some RAM coolers on the bottom of the chips. Would be nice if I could gain some extra speed.
hero member
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pls don't start sanding FPGA Packages like Intel IHS Cheesy

Hahaha. I don't think that would be the right solution to this  Grin
hero member
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pls don't start sanding FPGA Packages like Intel IHS Cheesy
hero member
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To check if the FPGA package is bent, get a razor blade and gently hold it blade-side against the top of the IHS. We did this to see how concave/convex the IHS were on Intel chips. The blade, being perfectly straight, will make contact with the parts of the package that protrude the most.
hero member
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donator
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ZTEX FPGA Boards
How Should i send it in? With or without the heatsink i used? 

Without heat sink. Write me an email if you do not have my address.
donator
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ZTEX FPGA Boards
What about high end thermal pad's, like Phobya XT (http://www.cool4pc.de/Phobya_Waermeleitpad_XT_7Wmk_05mm_120x20mm_fuer_ramplex_innovatek_Mips_Koolance.html)? Is it worth a try?

Good thermal pads can be used. (But not the ones delivered with the cooler. They are quite poor).

Thermal grease is better because the layer should always be thinner than a pad.

I recommend low viscosity thermal grease (if you are from Germany you can use item no. "LEITPASTE 20GR" from http://www.reichelt.de) and the "blob in the center" method. It is simple, quick and save. I use this method for testing new batches and never had any problems.


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