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meono

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Quote from: manselr on August 19, 2015, 12:48:13 PM

Yep, I was running XT but after reading this im back to core. I would rather have privacy than being able to globally broadcast all over the planet if I bought a cup of coffee or not (even tho the LN solution still sucks and I would rather have it all on-chain)

You really let a FUD fool you like that?

Sad to see this would have been avoided if we could discuss BitcoinXT from day one.

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Quote from: Lucko on August 19, 2015, 12:32:32 PM

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Quote from: LiteCoinGuy on August 19, 2015, 12:17:29 PM

Quote from: knight22 on August 18, 2015, 08:56:44 PM

yep, just look at turtlehurricanes posts and you see that. sad Cry

I'm not the one who added tens of thousands of lines of blacklist code to XT. Read the code and then tell me this is fud. If you choose not to read the code that is pure ignorance and negligence. If the fork happened it would compromise bitcoin forever, so if you're ok with this you must not be a real bitcoin user.

First of all you would still be able to run core with BIP101. Second you are reading the wrong code(core proposed) or you don't understand it...

Peter Todd

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010388.html

I pulled this code directly from the Bitcoin XT source. There is no confusion that this is the current version being downloaded. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByLnBVYGlyDsT25MNExSUDB2NTA

And it's still in github https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23

Than you are reading it wrong... No IP leaking if you are on TOR or PROXY and no blacklist. Only reduced priority whan DOS(from TOR)

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Quote from: Klestin on August 19, 2015, 12:49:05 PM

You folks have an interesting definition of "blacklist". It's a reduction in priority for known TOR exit nodes. How one goes from this to "ZOMG! BLACKLIST!!!" I have no idea. And whoever read this as a stripping of TOR's anonymity is either clinically insane or does not understand the basic concepts.

Read the code... it specifically has blacklists and whitelists. It bans specific users based on IP, one of the facets of that is it can see right through tor and other proxies.

It is a huge amount of code, it does a very thorough job of banning bitcoin users at will.

You are not a programmer right? It dose noting like...

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Fuck XT, Mike and anyone else looking to block Bitcoins from moving freely.

Thanks OP.

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Quote from: manselr on August 19, 2015, 12:48:13 PM

Yep, I was running XT but after reading this im back to core. I would rather have privacy than being able to globally broadcast all over the planet if I bought a cup of coffee or not (even tho the LN solution still sucks and I would rather have it all on-chain)

You've fundamentally misunderstood the changes. Nodes always track IP addresses - that's how the Internet works. The priority adjustment change has nothing whatsoever to do with your privacy.

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You folks have an interesting definition of "blacklist". It's a reduction in priority for known TOR exit nodes. How one goes from this to "ZOMG! BLACKLIST!!!" I have no idea. And whoever read this as a stripping of TOR's anonymity is either clinically insane or does not understand the basic concepts.

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Yep, I was running XT but after reading this im back to core. I would rather have privacy than being able to globally broadcast all over the planet if I bought a cup of coffee or not (even tho the LN solution still sucks and I would rather have it all on-chain)

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Quote from: LiteCoinGuy on August 19, 2015, 12:17:29 PM

Quote from: knight22 on August 18, 2015, 08:56:44 PM

yep, just look at turtlehurricanes posts and you see that. sad Cry

I'm not the one who added tens of thousands of lines of blacklist code to XT. Read the code and then tell me this is fud. If you choose not to read the code that is pure ignorance and negligence. If the fork happened it would compromise bitcoin forever, so if you're ok with this you must not be a real bitcoin user.

First of all you would still be able to run core with BIP101. Second you are reading the wrong code(core proposed) or you don't understand it...

Peter Todd

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010388.html

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Quote from: hdbuck on August 19, 2015, 11:12:16 AM

MEONO IS A xtSHILL

not even brave enough to post under his real account.
as for gavin and mickey, go fuck yourself. ignored.

Clever. Do you have any more insight or are you just expressing out loud your fear driven by your ignorance?

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Quote from: knight22 on August 18, 2015, 08:56:44 PM

yep, just look at turtlehurricanes posts and you see that. sad Cry

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Had anyone read the code? The one implemented in XT not proposed for QT(one that you are talking about hire)?

If you don't believe me would you believe Peter Todd?

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010388.html

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Quote from: hdbuck on August 19, 2015, 11:12:16 AM

MEONO IS A xtSHILL

not even brave enough to post under his real account.
as for gavin and mickey, go fuck yourself. ignored.

Life's not been a happy experience for you, has it? Cry

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Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 19, 2015, 11:15:12 AM

Quote from: meono on August 19, 2015, 11:08:53 AM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 19, 2015, 11:03:32 AM

Quote from: akaman on August 18, 2015, 10:57:04 PM

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Right now most bitcoin users are completely unaware of the blacklist, we need to spread this information asap. Please retweet my tweet or make your own. We need this information to reach both the media and the community, it's a fundamental threat to bitcoin https://twitter.com/turtlehurricane/status/633844328205430784

Heck, what's the big deal? Can't you just remove the IPs in list above, recompile and run your own XT version that would even trust Stalin's personal node?

This is not a fundamental issue. The code is open-source: you are free to remove/edit any source code to your liking.

The average joe is never going to do all that nerd stuff, it's all about protecting the vulnerable, the geeks that are going to do that are 1%. You are an idiot by excusing it out like that and saying "just go on your linux machine and compile your own self modified code". That's just ridiculous.

What ridiculous is ppl blindly listen to some FUD without even checking.

The changelog show it. Had BitcoinXT been allowed to be discussed then we wouldnt have this FUD in the first place.

What are you talking about? The code is there. I have been doing lots of reading, you should begin too, this is a good start:

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010386.html

Im not sure yet what to do just like most people, but I don't like how this sounds like, I definitely don't, so im keeping my core node running for now.

Stop posting and read the bitcoinXT changelog. Its not sneaky and blacklist bs as the FUD said

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Quote from: meono on August 19, 2015, 11:08:53 AM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 19, 2015, 11:03:32 AM

Quote from: akaman on August 18, 2015, 10:57:04 PM

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Right now most bitcoin users are completely unaware of the blacklist, we need to spread this information asap. Please retweet my tweet or make your own. We need this information to reach both the media and the community, it's a fundamental threat to bitcoin https://twitter.com/turtlehurricane/status/633844328205430784

Heck, what's the big deal? Can't you just remove the IPs in list above, recompile and run your own XT version that would even trust Stalin's personal node?

This is not a fundamental issue. The code is open-source: you are free to remove/edit any source code to your liking.

The average joe is never going to do all that nerd stuff, it's all about protecting the vulnerable, the geeks that are going to do that are 1%. You are an idiot by excusing it out like that and saying "just go on your linux machine and compile your own self modified code". That's just ridiculous.

What ridiculous is ppl blindly listen to some FUD without even checking.

The changelog show it. Had BitcoinXT been allowed to be discussed then we wouldnt have this FUD in the first place.

What are you talking about? The code is there. I have been doing lots of reading, you should begin too, this is a good start:

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010386.html

Im not sure yet what to do just like most people, but I don't like how this sounds like, I definitely don't, so im keeping my core node running for now.

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MEONO IS A xtSHILL

not even brave enough to post under his real account.
as for gavin and mickey, go fuck yourself. ignored.

meono

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Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 19, 2015, 11:03:32 AM

Quote from: akaman on August 18, 2015, 10:57:04 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Right now most bitcoin users are completely unaware of the blacklist, we need to spread this information asap. Please retweet my tweet or make your own. We need this information to reach both the media and the community, it's a fundamental threat to bitcoin https://twitter.com/turtlehurricane/status/633844328205430784

Heck, what's the big deal? Can't you just remove the IPs in list above, recompile and run your own XT version that would even trust Stalin's personal node?

This is not a fundamental issue. The code is open-source: you are free to remove/edit any source code to your liking.

The average joe is never going to do all that nerd stuff, it's all about protecting the vulnerable, the geeks that are going to do that are 1%. You are an idiot by excusing it out like that and saying "just go on your linux machine and compile your own self modified code". That's just ridiculous.

What ridiculous is ppl blindly listen to some FUD without even checking.

The changelog show it. Had BitcoinXT been allowed to be discussed then we wouldnt have this FUD in the first place.

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Quote from: akaman on August 18, 2015, 10:57:04 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Right now most bitcoin users are completely unaware of the blacklist, we need to spread this information asap. Please retweet my tweet or make your own. We need this information to reach both the media and the community, it's a fundamental threat to bitcoin https://twitter.com/turtlehurricane/status/633844328205430784

Heck, what's the big deal? Can't you just remove the IPs in list above, recompile and run your own XT version that would even trust Stalin's personal node?

This is not a fundamental issue. The code is open-source: you are free to remove/edit any source code to your liking.

The average joe is never going to do all that nerd stuff, it's all about protecting the vulnerable, the geeks that are going to do that are 1%. You are an idiot by excusing it out like that and saying "just go on your linux machine and compile your own self modified code". That's just ridiculous.

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Blacklisting techniques, however well intentioned, can become abused due to their centralized nature.

I wish it were not a part of XT....

The solution could be to run the BIP 101 version for the block size increase, without any of Mike's extra additions. It's too bad because some of the additions are good. But a blacklist cannot just be bunched up with it and ignored.

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that means more centralization. Anyway, there is one now too....but it will be more visible with XT.

well, that means BTC end. BTC is based on anonymity. Why shouldn't I use any other e-currency if BTC will be centralized more than now?

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coming back to bitcoin talk after the price tank from yesterday, lets me know i shouldnt stay away from the forum too long.

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