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legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
August 19, 2015, 02:35:36 AM
#51
This code doesn't actually block anything, just marks it as being lower priority than non-Tor traffic. It should never do anything unless there's an active DoS attack via Tor. So perfect accuracy isn't really needed here: Tor access still works fine and will do even if you run a Bitcoin node and Tor node on the same machine.

That said, I'll make a mental note to switch to the second URL when I work on this code again (might be soon, given the ongoing DoS attacks via Tor we're seeing).

It explicitly says it disconnects addresses with low to negative priority.

This would be the first time in history that anyone was blacklisted from using Bitcoin if XT forks, it's a big deal and against the fundamental reasons Bitcoin is used.
Well, as long as you ignore what Luke-Jr put into the default Gentoo Bitcoin release switched on by default ...
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524512
Note, he repeated that again with a later version, so I guess XT would be the 3rd?
hero member
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Move On !!!!!!
August 19, 2015, 02:34:09 AM
#50
Damn guys, this gave me chills this morning when I read it. Is this 100% sure or is it just some kind of FUD to try and discredit the XT?
legendary
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August 19, 2015, 02:12:36 AM
#49
and what about dynamic IP? this thing can not work also blacklisting all ip may lead to some genuine users that were using the same malicious ip not for bad intentions

this change even more my view on the XT client, it's not something that i would call bitcoin anymore
legendary
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August 19, 2015, 02:04:27 AM
#48
Just to clarify, changing the blocksize is a fundamental change, it changes the protocol Bitcoin.
It needs everybody to adopt it otherwise it won't work.

This doesn't, it changes one application but anyone could run a different application that would work as well without any problem.


That being said i think they should have only put the blocksize into this bitcoin xt fork. putting other change into XT is just giving the stick to be beaten.
I still support XT, if any anonimity problem should arise, anybody could write a new version without this tracking, it would work perfectly.
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
August 19, 2015, 02:03:07 AM
#47
XT isn't dead until we lure it into NotXT's trap, then demonstrate why attempting a hard fork is a bad idea (especially for first movers).

That is another false flag, cypherdoc.  A sign of desperation by your team.
legendary
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Change is in your hands
August 19, 2015, 01:56:44 AM
#46
These things can through away Bitcoin into more problems.  So we must need to stick with Bitcoin Core.

I have been familiarizing myself with the issue and have to agree. Stick to core, there are many OTHER ways to achieve code fixes, larger block sizes, ect then a hard fork. The thought of this hard fork scares me to the point I'm ready to go into fiat until everything stablizes... It's making me sick....

Yup same thoughts here, thinking of selling btc right now and when we are the lowest buy again, Lets just hope bitcoin survives or else we can expect some altcoin which will take over probably litecoin etc.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
August 19, 2015, 01:47:28 AM
#45
Any interest and or consideration I had for XT and the 'team' behind it just went out the window.

I will not touch XT and for that matter entertain anything coming from the XT 'team' anymore, no matter what explanation and or changes they come up with after this.

For me personally XT is as good as dead.

XT isn't dead until we lure it into NotXT's trap, then demonstrate why attempting a hard fork is a bad idea (especially for first movers).
sr. member
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August 19, 2015, 01:46:06 AM
#44
Bitcoin XT is all about centralization, and it is bound to die by itself. The problem is that it is causing a division in the  Bitcoin community and causing many of loyal Bitcoin users to lose lots of money situation which is not acceptable.

Furthermore the banning of IP address in the code is totally against the spirit of Bitcoin.

Lets all stick to bitcoin core and hope for the best, at least bitcoin core is about decentralization and financial freedom.

Consensus should have been respected, the reason sometimes consensus is hard to reach is because when it is not respected we have problems like the ones we are having now.

Lets hope Bitcoin does not fall bellow $200.

I predict Bitcoin Core will survive, after  all it is the honeybadger of money, but the honeybadger of money has been hurt very badly and this time it may take a long time to recover.

Bitcoin Core as it is currently and for many years to come works fine.

Now with the mess that bitcoin xt is causing the need for larger blocks goes down.

The reason bitcoin xt wil die on it own, is simple as the block reward goes down every 4 years and there is no reason to pay transaction fees, mining goes down as the block reward goes down, that in addition to the cost 20 times higher of keeping a database 20 times bigger, as mining goes down it is vulnerable to a 50% attack.

The reason bitcoin core does not have this problem, is that as block reward goes down, somehow that is compensated with mining fees going up, and to run a full node is 20 time cheaper due to the 20 times smaller database.

Mining fees going up it is not a problem since it is still a magnitude of times cheaper than paypal, visa, wester union, etc.
For micro transactions it is not a problem, since most people will not go though the trouble of a double spend to steal $1 dollar.



In regards to moorse law, it is valid for a given period of time, but not forever since after some time physical limitations imposed by mother nature are reached, like for example an electron can travel so fast, the max speed is the speed of light, and son on, as it can be seen with computers already over 10 years ago, every 2 years the speed was doubling, well now it is more like every 3 or 4 years for the speed of a cpu to double, or a hard disk to double in capacity.
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It really sucks what is going on.

Lets all stick to Bitcoin Core, it is not just money, it is financial freedom.
Bitcoin core is the revolution, Bitcoin xt is the counter revolution.
I would not be surprised if big brother was behind bitcoin xt.


legendary
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August 19, 2015, 01:40:10 AM
#43
Somebody should post those quotes to the reddit crowd. (I dont have energy for that place anymore).

Why bother. Reddit (as far as I am concerned) is a place where practically no valuable information is exchanged.
sr. member
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August 19, 2015, 01:38:56 AM
#42
Somebody should post those quotes to the reddit crowd. (I dont have energy for that place anymore).
legendary
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In Cryptography We Trust
August 19, 2015, 01:38:36 AM
#41
Thanks for bringing this up. Clearly there is much more in the XT agenda than just block sizes.
legendary
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August 19, 2015, 01:38:01 AM
#40

Looks like XT is a piece of shady bullshit. What will be in the next version ? Direct reporting to NSA ?

confirmed, totally shady.

I have had my suspicions about Gavin for a long time, CIA visit (no transcript), CFR talk, the CA/TLS payment protocol privacy leak but this is damning if he wants to sign off on this shit. And the way the XT panopticoin fork is being pitched reads like a bad infomercial.

Never trust an Aussie, Gavin, you just made it onto my blacklist (and it is quite short).

Seems like well past the time to get rid of Gavin's alert key.  I'll look forward to a release which does this or a patch to use next time I build from source.  I could see it being used to startle the herd at an opportune time and get them to do something which is against their interests.

sr. member
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August 19, 2015, 01:35:26 AM
#39
Some more from mailing list to make it easier for people:


F L
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Bitcoin XT contains an unmentioned addition which periodically downloads
lists of Tor IP addresses for blacklisting, this has considerable privacy
implications for hapless users which are being prompted to use the
software. The feature is not clearly described, is enabled by default,
and has a switch name which intentionally downplays what it is doing
(disableipprio). Furthermore these claimed anti-DoS measures are
trivially bypassed and so offer absolutely no protection whatsoever.

Connections are made over clearnet even when using a proxy or
onlynet=tor, which leaks connections on the P2P network with the real
location of the node. Knowledge of this traffic along with uptime metrics
from bitnodes.io can allow observers to easily correlate the location and
identity of persons running Bitcoin nodes. Denial of service can also be
used to crash and force a restart of an interesting node, which will
cause them to make a new request to the blacklist endpoint via the
clearnet on relaunch at the same time their P2P connections are made
through a proxy. Requests to the blacklisting URL also use a custom
Bitcoin XT user agent which makes users distinct from other internet
traffic if you have access to the endpoints logs.


https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23

Christophe Biocca
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So I checked, and the code described *does not* run when behind a
proxy of any kind, including tor:

https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23#diff-11780fa178b655146cb414161c635219R265

At least based on my admittedly weak understanding of how the internal works.

Hopefully I save the next reader of your post from also having to dig
around to find the code and realize this is a false alert.

Todd
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Christophe Biocca via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> So I checked, and the code described *does not* run when behind a
> proxy of any kind, including tor:
>
> https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23#diff-11780fa178b655146cb414161c635219R265
>
> At least based on my admittedly weak understanding of how the internal works.
>
> Hopefully I save the next reader of your post from also having to dig
> around to find the code and realize this is a false alert.

That's not entirely correct.

The code does disable downloading of the Tor exit node list if fListen
is false, or if there is a proxy setup, this means the statement:

>  Connections are made over clearnet even when using a proxy or
>  onlynet=tor,

is false. However, in the common scenario of a firewalled node, where
the operator has neglected to explicitly set -listen=0, the code does
still download the Tor exit node list, revealing the true location of
the node. This is contrary to the previous behavior of not revealing any
IP information in that configuration.

FWIW Gregory Maxwell removed the last "call home" feature in pull-req
#5161, by replacing the previous calls to getmyip.com-type services with
a local peer request. Similarly the DNS seeds use the DNS protocol
specifically to avoid leaking IP address information.

tl;dr: Yes, Bitcoin XT has a privacy problem with the automatic Tor exit
node list download.

Gregory Maxwell
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It's not a bug, it's a feature: These concerns and others were
specifically called out when we rejected this submission to Bitcoin
Core in favor of a more generic approach that lacks the privacy
problems and avoids being explicitly punitave to the use of Tor.

At least it's not a full on block as soon a the node fills for the
first time like the first implementation.

Peter Todd
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Oh, and I just checked, and Mike's original pull-req for the Tor
blacklist didn't include the proxy disable code; what's in master != the
pull-req, so the OP may have been looking at the wrong code by accident.
(I personally noticed this issue in the pull-req and didn't realise it
hadn't been merged into master w/o modifications)

https://github.com/mikehearn/bitcoinxt/commit/931a4d59a03c7e64d7d85ddfc07ae127533c7f28#diff-11780fa178b655146cb414161c635219R171

Kinda sloppy of Mike to be making changes in master that don't
correspond to the peer-reviewed pull-req code...
legendary
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Owner at AltQuick.com
August 19, 2015, 01:33:57 AM
#38
You can not discuss this here. Please move to altcoin discussion.

Agree.  Enough NSA shitcoins in the Bitcoin section. Tongue

...
Never trust an Aussie...

Totally true.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
August 19, 2015, 01:33:34 AM
#37
Looks like XT is a piece of shady bullshit. What will be in the next version ? Direct reporting to NSA ?


confirmed, totally shady.

I have had my suspicions about Gavin for a long time, CIA visit (no transcript), CFR talk, the CA/TLS payment protocol privacy leak but this is damning if he wants to sign off on this shit. And the way the XT panopticoin fork is being pitched reads like a bad infomercial.

Never trust an Aussie, Gavin, you just made it onto my blacklist (and it is quite short).
staff
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August 19, 2015, 01:31:16 AM
#36
What the actual fuck , guys does this mean that Lightweight wallets like Electrum & Multibit will be affected aswell since those will be full running nodes on their servers , does it mean we will get affected too or it's only who is using BitcoinXT client directly
legendary
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August 19, 2015, 01:25:45 AM
#35
On the one side, you can see why they are doing this. In the USA they need to adhere to all these KYC/AML regulations and they have to allow for those 3 letter agencies to have access to all your informations as a citizen.

What they tend to forget is, not EVERYONE live in the USA and Bitcoin is a global technology, where these "USA Rules" do not apply to everyone. They cannot infringe on sovereign countries privacy to protect their own

interest.  Angry This is why Bitcoin XT will fail in my opinion.... It's not a fork being done in the interest of a global need, but to satisfy the USA government and all it's regulations.

cypherdoc was arguing the other day that the increased block size could be used to freeze out the Chinese miners who are hamstrung by their government's network policy.  The guy is a technical nobody.  Whether he is formally shilling for and in communication with the XT crowd is unknown but seems quit possible.  He makes a good living by shilling and picked up 3000 BTC from HashFast (which failed) doing it so he must be effective and he has been non-stop XT form many months now.

One way or another, it is funny to argue out of one side of your mouth that the increased blocksize load is perfectly safe and out of the other side that it can thwart people who are operating behind even the mild form of network control exercised in by the Chinese government at this time.

sr. member
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August 19, 2015, 01:21:37 AM
#34
So can somebody explain this for me? When running XT through TOR you original ip address will be seen? How is it seen?

And there is a specific list of ip addresses that are banned? What are these ip addresses?
legendary
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August 19, 2015, 01:12:09 AM
#33
On the one side, you can see why they are doing this. In the USA they need to adhere to all these KYC/AML regulations and they have to allow for those 3 letter agencies to have access to all your informations as a citizen.

What they tend to forget is, not EVERYONE live in the USA and Bitcoin is a global technology, where these "USA Rules" do not apply to everyone. They cannot infringe on sovereign countries privacy to protect their own

interest.  Angry This is why Bitcoin XT will fail in my opinion.... It's not a fork being done in the interest of a global need, but to satisfy the USA government and all it's regulations.
sr. member
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August 19, 2015, 01:00:06 AM
#32
This is just the tip of the iceberg in XT.

IF XT wins it will bring on so many changes that the Bitcoin we thought we knew and had, will be something completely different. Be prepared for a fully centralised coin should it happen that XT gains consensus.

At this point, I hope more and more realize that XT is yet another attempt by someone to destroy Bitcoin, since all other ventures to destroy it have failed.
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