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sr. member
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August 19, 2015, 12:54:30 AM
#31
Any interest and or consideration I had for XT and the 'team' behind it just went out the window.

I will not touch XT and for that matter entertain anything coming from the XT 'team' anymore, no matter what explanation and or changes they come up with after this.

For me personally XT is as good as dead.
hero member
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August 19, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
#30
Gavin CIA Andresen tracking IPs??? Noaaawwwwwwww
FK XT
hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
August 19, 2015, 12:44:27 AM
#29
Of course that stress test was to push forward the scaling. What you need to understand is that there is a shit load of businesses out there that are waiting for bitcoin to scale to start their operations.

This is so fcking ass-backwards.

Where are the users standing in line with bags of transactions holding on to them and waiting for the "shit load of businesses" to start their operations?

I'm guessing they'll appear out of thin air once the blocks increase!?

This cargo cult that there is somehow an imminent massive retail adoption of Bitcoin waiting just around the corner is a sorry appeal to the greed of naive holders who think the block size is hindering their dreams of moon.



You don't know how businesses work obviously. Most businesses build in secret to not get their idea stolen. There as been more than a bilion in investment in bitcoin businesses up to date. They are out there waiting the right timing in silence. You can be sure. And scaling is part of that timing.

It seems you are one of the lunatics that believe Bitcoin needs or is waiting for some sort of "killer app" that will unleash its adoption.

You obviously don't know how building an economy (Bitcoin) works. Just as a heads up it isn't built on the shoulders of startups, VCs and iphone apps.
hero member
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August 19, 2015, 12:44:04 AM
#28
knight22 about "market needs" LOL

He's gonna eat his words when we hit sub 100$

Exactly people like this try to pull the whool over everyones' eyes and will continue to do so to the very last minute.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
August 19, 2015, 12:39:51 AM
#27
XT is compromised, you can say that again. Things got more leaks than a rusty old bucket, it's been designed that way.
legendary
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August 19, 2015, 12:34:58 AM
#26
Of course that stress test was to push forward the scaling. What you need to understand is that there is a shit load of businesses out there that are waiting for bitcoin to scale to start their operations.

This is so fcking ass-backwards.

Where are the users standing in line with bags of transactions holding on to them and waiting for the "shit load of businesses" to start their operations?

I'm guessing they'll appear out of thin air once the blocks increase!?

This cargo cult that there is somehow an imminent massive retail adoption of Bitcoin waiting just around the corner is a sorry appeal to the greed of naive holders who think the block size is hindering their dreams of moon.



You don't know how businesses work obviously. Most businesses build in secret to not get their idea stolen. There as been more than a bilion in investment in bitcoin businesses up to date. They are out there waiting the right timing in silence. You can be sure. And scaling is part of that timing.
hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
August 19, 2015, 12:31:31 AM
#25
Of course that stress test was to push forward the scaling. What you need to understand is that there is a shit load of businesses out there that are waiting for bitcoin to scale to start their operations.

This is so fcking ass-backwards.

Where are the users standing in line with bags of transactions holding on to them and waiting for the "shit load of businesses" to start their operations?

I'm guessing they'll appear out of thin air once the blocks increase!?

This cargo cult that there is somehow an imminent massive retail adoption of Bitcoin waiting just around the corner is a sorry appeal to the greed of naive holders who think the block size is hindering their dreams of moon.

legendary
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August 19, 2015, 12:31:21 AM
#24
Remember "no one controls bitcoin"?

But if IP addresses can be blocked from making transactions, then something, essentially, does control Bitcoin - or at least the users of it, as a form of regulation. Which pretty much amounts to the same thing.

Before you know it, there will only be 'verified' Bitcoin addresses/IP allowed to join/utilize the protocol.

It's only a small jump to that, all you have to do is look at your Paypal's, Googles and so on to see where this kind of thing (always) goes. Make a bit of change, ride the small storm, wait for the calm, make another change, ride that storm... then rinse and repeat.









If this grows really as a concern I don't see why it couldn't be patched.
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August 19, 2015, 12:26:13 AM
#23
Remember "no one controls bitcoin"?

But if IP addresses can be blocked from making transactions, then something, essentially, does control Bitcoin - or at least the users of it, as a form of regulation. Which pretty much amounts to the same thing.

Before you know it, there will only be 'verified' Bitcoin addresses/IP allowed to join/utilize the protocol.

It's only a small jump to that, all you have to do is look at your Paypal's, Googles and so on to see where this kind of thing (always) goes. Make a bit of change, ride the small storm, wait for the calm, make another change, ride that storm... then rinse and repeat.







legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
August 19, 2015, 12:20:32 AM
#22
Looks like XT is a piece of shady bullshit. What will be in the next version ? Direct reporting to NSA ?


That's already in here, using DNS lookups.

Fuck Heam, the core dev he rode in on, and everyone who has been enabling his anti-cypherpunk agenda.
legendary
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August 19, 2015, 12:10:02 AM
#21
I'm not surprised there is hidden crap in the XT fork. A certain group is pushing hard to try and force it's adoption. The spam/stress tests was the beginning of it. It made people feel that blocks were full when they were just orchestrated that way.

Of course that stress test was to push forward the scaling. What you need to understand is that there is shit load of businesses out there that are waiting for bitcoin to scale to start their operations. There is a need right now in the market and it seems the core devs are ignoring that need so that's why Gavin and Mike threw the code in the wild so that market can have that option that fits their needs. This situation is inevitable through market forces and they will choose the implementation that will handle their shit load of transactions so they can make a profit. The race is on for Core and XT. XT has made the first move.

XT did make the first move. Mike and Gavin decided their way was best and instead of working together as a team with the rest of the core devs they just forked the project hoping everyone would follow them. I can't follow a move like that.

The core devs were willing to compromise the market needs of scaling on time to pursue their own fit. However, Core has still time to turn off their feet quickly. You can follow the project you want but neither you and I nor theymos nor the Core team can do shit about the outcome. The market will decide. Remember "no one controls bitcoin"? By market I mean all the businesses that will rely on transactions to make a profit. Bitcoin is going beyond this community right now you'll have accept that. We have learnt a child to walk and now he's going on its own.
legendary
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August 19, 2015, 12:03:35 AM
#20
I'm not surprised there is hidden crap in the XT fork. A certain group is pushing hard to try and force it's adoption. The spam/stress tests was the beginning of it. It made people feel that blocks were full when they were just orchestrated that way.

Of course that stress test was to push forward the scaling. What you need to understand is that there is shit load of businesses out there that are waiting for bitcoin to scale to start their operations. There is a need right now in the market and it seems the core devs are ignoring that need so that's why Gavin and Mike threw the code in the wild so that market can have that option that fits their needs. This situation is inevitable through market forces and they will choose the implementation that will handle their shit load of transactions so they can make a profit. The race is on for Core and XT. XT has made the first move.

XT did make the first move. Mike and Gavin decided their way was best and instead of working together as a team with the rest of the core devs they just forked the project hoping everyone would follow them. I can't follow a move like that.
legendary
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August 18, 2015, 11:55:28 PM
#19
Wow.  The wheels are really coming off of XT.  I'm not at all surprised to see such a thing, but am surprised to see it prior to the fork.  Even stolfi seems to be warm to XT which is interesting.  Watching.
legendary
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August 18, 2015, 11:34:52 PM
#18
I'm not surprised there is hidden crap in the XT fork. A certain group is pushing hard to try and force it's adoption. The spam/stress tests was the beginning of it. It made people feel that blocks were full when they were just orchestrated that way.

Of course that stress test was to push forward the scaling. What you need to understand is that there is a shit load of businesses out there that are waiting for bitcoin to scale to start their operations. There is a need right now in the market and it seems the core devs are ignoring that need so that's why Gavin and Mike threw the code in the wild so that market can have that option that fits their needs. This situation is inevitable through market forces and they will choose the implementation that will handle their shit load of transactions so they can make a profit. The race is on for Core and XT. XT has made the first move.
legendary
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August 18, 2015, 11:30:18 PM
#17
You can not discuss this here. Please move to altcoin discussion.
legendary
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August 18, 2015, 11:28:32 PM
#16
I'm not surprised there is hidden crap in the XT fork. A certain group is pushing hard to try and force it's adoption. The spam/stress tests was the beginning of it. It made people feel that blocks were full when they were just orchestrated that way.
legendary
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August 18, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
#15
Right now most bitcoin users are completely unaware of the blacklist, we need to spread this information asap. Please retweet my tweet or make your own. We need this information to reach both the media and the community, it's a fundamental threat to bitcoin https://twitter.com/turtlehurricane/status/633844328205430784

Heck, what's the big deal? Can't you just remove the IPs in list above, recompile and run your own XT version that would even trust Stalin's personal node?

This is not a fundamental issue. The code is open-source: you are free to remove/edit any source code to your liking.
People who download Bitcoin XT are NOT being informed about this, so how would they recompile?

This is a MUCH bigger change than blocksize limit, I don't see how anyone who uses Bitcoin would think this is ok.

It's not intended to be a threat to privacy but it is a compromise to increase the core system security for mainstream adoption. I think it's a good compromise because if I really want to do a top private anonymous transaction that's really not going to stop me.
sr. member
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August 18, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
#14
Right now most bitcoin users are completely unaware of the blacklist, we need to spread this information asap. Please retweet my tweet or make your own. We need this information to reach both the media and the community, it's a fundamental threat to bitcoin https://twitter.com/turtlehurricane/status/633844328205430784

Heck, what's the big deal? Can't you just remove the IPs in list above, recompile and run your own XT version that would even trust Stalin's personal node?

This is not a fundamental issue. The code is open-source: you are free to remove/edit any source code to your liking.
newbie
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August 18, 2015, 10:06:04 PM
#13
I guess it is not necessary more than 1 minute to find out who is coordinating this and WHY...

Maybe that is so obvious to me but not for everyone.

Anyway, that is a CLEAR move from the BIG OWNERS of the world.

Don't trust anything that comes from Google, or should I say Alphabet?

After the bilderberg meeting, you can simply blacklist all the names included at that list and anything that COMES FROM THEM, you simply ignore.

Keep on with the BITCOIN CORE if you desire to be free. As simple as that can be.

If you want to know WHY, then go look for TRUTH, if you don't want to know why then maybe you shouldn't be free at all... Freedom only comes for those who seek the truth.

These liars come with "nice sounding words". Be very careful when you listen "FOR YOUR PROTECTION WE ARE GONNA DO THIS" because someone is taking your freedom.

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At least I am going to buy, buy and buy and stock up bitcoin as it is getting cheaper. It wouldn't be the first time I win money with bitcoin haha.

Don't want to use BTC? I do..

Maybe that way is better, we separate the owners and the slaves and the free people. So we can recognize each one more easily. How to know if someone is free? Just ask: Got BTC?

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Sorry poor english, not my 1st language.
sr. member
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August 18, 2015, 09:53:31 PM
#12
This code doesn't actually block anything, just marks it as being lower priority than non-Tor traffic. It should never do anything unless there's an active DoS attack via Tor. So perfect accuracy isn't really needed here: Tor access still works fine and will do even if you run a Bitcoin node and Tor node on the same machine.

That said, I'll make a mental note to switch to the second URL when I work on this code again (might be soon, given the ongoing DoS attacks via Tor we're seeing).
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