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legendary
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July 14, 2011, 03:19:11 PM
#17
Question:  How do you know which address is the change address?

Your client knows which part of the transaction is the change because you own the key for that address.
Ahhhh, good point.  From the outside then, it would be much more difficult to 100% associate such addresses.

From the outside you have a 50/50 chance AT WORST assuming you're looking at a tx from an official bitcoin client.  My guess is most of the time you have a much better chance at guessing which part of the transaction is the change than 50/50.  For example, on a transaction where the payment is 1 BTC and the change is 2.0291 BTC, it's pretty obvious which part is the change.  I haven't done too much research on how often change amts are obvious but I just decided to be conservative and assume they're always identifiable.
Oh definitely - I won't disagree with you there.  But that's why I said 100%...

Still, that would be an interesting project to undertake.
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
July 14, 2011, 03:02:50 PM
#16
Question:  How do you know which address is the change address?

Your client knows which part of the transaction is the change because you own the key for that address.
Ahhhh, good point.  From the outside then, it would be much more difficult to 100% associate such addresses.
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
July 14, 2011, 02:55:08 PM
#15
Question:  How do you know which address is the change address?
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 251
FirstBits: 168Bc
July 14, 2011, 01:08:04 PM
#14
This is very interesting... on my work computer's wallet, all addresses except for one are linked together.  Shocked  Haven't checked my home computer's wallet yet.

Yes, welcome to bitcoin ;P

Hey Coderrr, how many transactions back makes a link? Are C and E linked?:

A -> B -> C

A -> D -> E

I'm asking because I've done a lot of work to 'force' this property by splitting my coins into multiple wallets. I might like to merge many of the wallets (with different keys) if the clients start to behave predictably.
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
July 14, 2011, 12:32:52 PM
#13
This is very interesting... on my work computer's wallet, all addresses except for one are linked together.  Shocked  Haven't checked my home computer's wallet yet.

Yes, welcome to bitcoin ;P
New challenge for you:  Reverse it, so that I can type in any address and find out what other addresses are associated with it.  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
July 14, 2011, 12:28:46 PM
#12
This is very interesting... on my work computer's wallet, all addresses except for one are linked together.  Shocked  Haven't checked my home computer's wallet yet.
staff
Activity: 4214
Merit: 1203
I support freedom of choice
July 14, 2011, 11:18:37 AM
#11
It's better to put a pull request and see responses Wink
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
July 14, 2011, 03:42:23 AM
#10
Says it's not a valid Win32 application...?
staff
Activity: 4214
Merit: 1203
I support freedom of choice
July 14, 2011, 02:43:27 AM
#9
Can you make a Pull Request?
member
Activity: 110
Merit: 19
July 13, 2011, 10:03:55 PM
#8
Can this get into the main release as an "advanced" option selection?
Was just about to say the same thing.
sr. member
Activity: 387
Merit: 250
July 13, 2011, 09:44:04 PM
#7
I'm all for it!  This is exactly what seems to be needed.  Can this get into the main release as an "advanced" option selection?
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 251
FirstBits: 168Bc
July 13, 2011, 09:26:14 PM
#6
I hadn't seen it before. It looks neat. I worry about UI complexity though. This is definitely a power user feature.

Well maybe, but I am driven batty by the opacity of the C++ client. Only the destination address is available (even if you double click the transaction). I find all the hidden features make it more complicated to use and understand.

Users don't understand why they should need to backup (again and again). They don't understand why it is not anonymous or how it could be. They don't understand 'copying' a wallet and certainly not the implications. I don't think users are dumb but the client is making them dumb. Even if a user never uses the 'addresses' tab, simply showing them their own addresses might produce an ah-ha moment.


Hey Coderrr, do you think you could release a 32-bit linux build?
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
July 13, 2011, 04:01:04 PM
#5
I'm an interested Windows user!
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1129
July 13, 2011, 03:22:34 PM
#4
I hadn't seen it before. It looks neat. I worry about UI complexity though. This is definitely a power user feature.
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 251
FirstBits: 168Bc
July 13, 2011, 02:06:51 PM
#3
I've repatched my changes onto v0.3.24rc1, see here: https://github.com/coderrr/bitcoin/commit/b32016a314bcbb15c97f14c733a8f49d43c5e8b2

I'll release new builds once the official v0.3.24 is released

I'm surprised this post generated so little chatter. Have you re-patched 0.3.24?
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 251
FirstBits: 168Bc
July 05, 2011, 02:42:11 PM
#2
Hey guys I'm interested in getting people's thoughts on this.

- see all addresses, including change

- see which addresses are linked together (does recursive expansion of address linkages)

- select which address(es) to send from, rather than letting the client to chose for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA_O6Boi7Xo

So what can you do about this? If you don’t have any Bitcoin yet then you can just make sure to use separate wallets for addresses you don’t want being mixed together.

That’s why I’ve made a patch to the official client which allows you to send from _only_ a single specific address.

I’ve added a ‘Send From Address’ tab to the main interface. It actually contains information which was impossible to get from the client before. That is, every address in your wallet and the balance thereof. This includes addresses which were created for the change of your outgoing transactions.

YES with a capital FANTASTIC!

I'm not even trying to be anonymous, but I still have a dozen wallets to keep track of 'accounts'. These patches bring us a long way toward personal financial control. I'd like to similarly be able to right click on a group of linked addresses and export them into a separate wallet... (as well as import wallets). I'm very happy to see all addresses, whether used in a transaction or not! Perhaps the ability to generate 'x' for the keypool buffer (and maybe delete unused addresses) would be handy.

I look forward to seeing your patch in the mainline along with encrypted keys!

Muchas gracias!
newbie
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
June 30, 2011, 02:16:22 PM
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