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No they havent, and they aren't affiliated with Slickage, its just someone messing with us.

So you are doing an open source software but you cannot disclose the work?

Your bullshit "NDA" excuse is not going to work here.

Let's try again: did you designed a forum software before? Could you provide a reference?

Its just some random guy, they dont represent slickage.

I already said the work for our company is NDA or on a need to know basis. We don't do marketing because we are already fully booked with customers and projects. If you would like more validity, throw me some developers that know what they're doing and they can tell you if I'm legit.

@wangbus

Maybe you can help answer some questions from the OP


Thanks!

Our company employs very capable and highly skilled software engineers that have worked closely with other companies in the past, everything from server side ops and scalability up to mobile applications - iOS and Android. Our design repertoire includes a lot of NDA work and is on a need to know basis so I'd like to reveal only to certain individuals. Please contact me if you have any questions.

In regards to engaging the community with the new forum development, the idea is to start a sub-section or series of threads and take information from the community about feature requests, discussions, bugs, etc.

Design work has started on the forum, but the first delivery to this community is an auction system for the ad spaces app that will integrate with the current forum. We'll be revealing that in the upcoming weeks.

I'd like to add that one of the major concerns for the future forum implementation is security and we'll be getting it checked with a professional security agency and hopefully get some public input on security checks (since it will be completely open source software).

As for the migration, users can volunteer to be migrated over to the new service, while still keeping their old account on the old system (SMF) with their user data intact. Back links and track backs should all work as expected to make sure links don't break from other sites.

As Theymos pointed out: The goal of this software project is to create new, open source forum software which will compete with SMF, phpBB, etc.


This is my crash introduction to the community and it's very exciting to be fully engaged on an open source system that will be used for this forum. You'll see more of my posts in the future regarding forum development.

People tend to complain a lot about why Bitcointalk isn't using a newer SMF version. Despite the reason being stated a bunch of times, updating to a newer version of SMF isn't as simple as people think it is. An upgrade would probably break a lot of the custom code on Bitcointalk. Some people still don't understand this and think it's something that can be done in a couple of minutes.

PHPBB isn't much better with regards functionality, does not handle big forums well at all and it is far less secure in general compared to SMF. The code is very messy and pretty sketchy in places and there a ton of file inclusions in PHPBB - that is not a good combination!

It doesn't have the best track-record when it comes to security either:
http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1529/Phpbb.html

Here is SMF's:
http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-2069/product_id-3598/Simple-Machines-SMF.html

Don't get me wrong, SMF sucks, but most forum software does. It's a good thing BitcoinTalk is making their own and even better that its being released open source, I'm just not liking the lack of transparency and I hope the costs will be justified in the end.

To be honest, with the idiotic decision to remove the newbie jail, I've found myself coming here less and less.

Then there's the two hacks in the past few months, and sticking to an ancient old forum software.  Guess what? phpBB is free, supported, and probably can import the DB from this wheezy old crap. 

I think the forum is pretty much dead. It just hasn't stopped twitching yet.

Thats fine, you are correct Bitcoin holdings should not be denominated in fiat prices, however 1/3rd of the payment was already made, and that was at a higher rate than we are at now. I suppose my main point is, the forums has very few expenses, a good deal of ad revenue, so why not go all out on making a neat new platform. I'm willing to give Theymos the benefit of the doubt on this until he proves that he did not deserve that benefit.

I would have liked to be in the loop regarding his decision making process, but frankly, I don't think that many of the people here myself included would have actually been any help. I'm assuming he talked to people who's technical opinion's he valued, and he made his decision from there. If not, we can boo him in a year's time if the end product is a flop.

I agree that it could turn out to be a great platform, I'm not questioning this. My doubts are about the way the job was assigned (or if alternative cheaper solutions were considered) and why no free upgrades are used in the meantime (for example the latest SMF version), given the complete project will be ready in at least one year.

Absolutely! While I have no comment about who theymos decided to fund at this point in time, I absolutely love the idea. Check out Wikipedia and look at how vBulletin was created...

Actually, they do own a hackerspace that they very well may have made the website for:
http://hicapacity.org/

The breakdown of the dissent group appears to be two donators/VIP that want their money back regardless of what theymos does or does not do and a staff member or two also not liking a decision without additional input. The rest of the donators are either mostly staying quiet, optimistically waiting, or pessimistically waiting. I'm in the latter category, because I think that without a project manager with a stake in the game, any project always ends up going several months without results. I see this daily in my day job, unfortunately.

Theymos *has* stated he's looking towards some sort of a governance system in the future as well, so we do have that to be optimistic about, I suppose. I'm willing to wait and see what happens, just like I figure most mods and donators are. It seems a bit early to be outright critical of a decision to get started, IMHO. I mean, it's been close to two years for a good number of us.


This might just be a nitpick, but Bitcoin is closer to $500/coin presently than $1k. And some of us are quite bearish and expect it to go to $200 before $1k, so I'm not sure it's a good idea to keep referring to coin held as if it's worth $1k/coin anymore.

Most communities don't have 6 million dollars sitting around that people have been badgering to have spent on forum software for a year and a half. Frankly, the forum's expenses are pretty minimal now, hosting is covered by PIA in return for an ad slot it seems, and only 25% of the income generated is used, the other 75% goes to storage where it would continue to sit for years. Some security bounties are paid out now and then, but a week's worth of advertising would cover those.

I dont know if Theymos made the right direction in spending a million dollars on a completely custom forum, however you never know, it could turn out really cool, and become a widely used replacement to SMF if it is as neat as it could be. Can you imagine the advertising associated if half of the world's new forums were based on a build created with Bitcoins?

I've said it a few times already, at this particular point in time, I don't especially agree with the decision, however I'm willing to give Theymos time to address certain issues, and willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I will start complaining AFTER I see what has been produced. Whats done is done, its not my money, and we aren't going without on something else because Theymos decided to break 1/6th of the bank on new forum software.

I really doubt I'll get an answer as most of my questions about the forum to theymos go unanswered...

Please explain how unilaterally making a decision to spend $350,000 as a down payment on new forum software is appropriate management.  It seems especially inappropriate as the software company does not have a website.

Luckily I'm a new member and wasn't here when people used to send 50 BTC donations. Not because I have something against donations, but because I'd hate to see my money being spent this way. Most communities use free forum software like PhpBB or SMF (or, of course, paid products like vBulletin) and, in case they need particular customizations, they pay a company to do the work for them. But of course it's nothing like 7 figures or even 6! Not sure why Bitcointalk is so different and needs to spend such amounts of money. At least why not try to update the forum to the latest SMF version or change forum software altogether FOR FREE before trying any other solutions?

Based on Theymos specs this may well be the Psy Ops of the internet forum system
Basically Prism in a box but it will shock and awe people towards it
Nuke users with automatic smart IP bans
That said I like it!

What the next revolution in forum creating software will be is anyone's guess.
It is a fair point however that it hasn't really changed all that much since 2000.
This idea does seems to me a bit out of the box and it might be a better solution than trying to create building blocks on current tech.
But aiming for the big guns and becoming the beacon of forum software is quite the goal.
Worth a shot though thanks maged for the expansion on the details.
Guess I'll sit on the sidelines and see what gets created.

Exactly Theymos give me a $150K and I will get the forum done in under a year, all transparent cause I would use github and let anyone to development with me on it. Bitcoin is the greatest open source collaborative software, and we can can't even get a forum done for under $350k? The only thing that this tells me is that bitcoin grew too fast, theymos had all this money and is now feeling like he has to spend it. WORST THEYMOS, open up a github, take some that money, take a year off from everything and head up lead development of a forum. It ain't that hard.

Since I can't explain what the current problem with forum software is as well as Jeff Atwood's team at Discourse, I'll let them explain:
http://www.discourse.org/about/

For many reasons, Discourse isn't what we're looking for, so we too are funding a startup to fix this problem. Jeff Atwood won't tell us how much he raised for Discourse, but with 10 people on the Discourse team working full-time for a year, he's certainly raised more than a million dollars. People are expensive!