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ledmaniak

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Quote from: User705 on February 09, 2014, 04:03:40 PM

Quote from: surfer43 on February 09, 2014, 03:46:28 PM

Quote from: User705 on February 09, 2014, 03:37:37 PM

Just out of curiosity all of you who want a refund of your donations are you expecting straight XBT refund or fiat equivalent and why? Also why did you donate at the time if those questions weren't answered?

Is every later donator supposed to basically subsidize these refunds and give a profit to earlier donators?

That would be a ponzi. Wink

Isn't there am (open) financial overview made every year?

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Quote from: augustocroppo on February 09, 2014, 06:01:37 PM

No. Donations are not an investment fund. No one donated expecting to withdraw that later. Everyone donated to cover the necessary expenses to improve the forum. However the forum was not improved and the funds were not spent. So it is quite reasonable reimburse the funds collected and start a new campaign from the scratch, with a clear and open plan to determine how the funds will be used.

Are the tags sale able? I'm sure you'd get plenty interested buyers.

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Quote from: lunarboy on February 09, 2014, 05:32:21 PM

An Idea ... not sure if its a good one but an idea nevertheless.

perhaps any spare money leftover should be donated to a charity. EFF ? used as bounties for software development the community see as appropriate, or maybe all forum users that registered before a certain date could be given free lifetime membership to the bitcoin foundation as way of thanks for the contribution to the forum over the years.

just a suggestion Undecided

That still do not achieve the cause. The implied agreement was a better forum, which not just include a new software, but improvement of the forum internal organization as well. That will not happen if the unspent funds are donated to a third party.

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Quote from: User705 on February 09, 2014, 04:03:40 PM

So someone donated to the forums a few years back at $10/XBT and let's say the forum spent that XBT on hosting or some other minor things.

Irrelevant, at that point the advertisement revenue was already covering that.

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So by your logic where will these refunds come from now; out of the current donations, theymos' pocket, or where from exactly?

The refunds will come from the unspent funds.

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Is every later donator supposed to basically subsidize these refunds and give a profit to earlier donators?

No. Donations are not an investment fund. No one donated expecting to withdraw that later. Everyone donated to cover the necessary expenses to improve the forum. However the forum was not improved and the funds were not spent. So it is quite reasonable reimburse the funds collected and start a new campaign from the scratch, with a clear and open plan to determine how the funds will be used.

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An Idea ... not sure if its a good one but an idea nevertheless.

perhaps any spare money leftover should be donated to a charity. EFF ? used as bounties for software development the community see as appropriate, or maybe all forum users that registered before a certain date could be given free lifetime membership to the bitcoin foundation as way of thanks for the contribution to the forum over the years.

just a suggestion Undecided

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Goat, when was Theymos going to answer these questions? Has this been disclosed?

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Quote from: User705 on February 09, 2014, 04:03:40 PM

Quote from: surfer43 on February 09, 2014, 03:46:28 PM

Quote from: User705 on February 09, 2014, 03:37:37 PM

Just out of curiosity all of you who want a refund of your donations are you expecting straight XBT refund or fiat equivalent and why? Also why did you donate at the time if those questions weren't answered?

Since the forum donation levels are pegged to BTC, they obviously want a refund in BTC. Works both ways you know Tongue

So someone donated to the forums a few years back at $10/XBT and let's say the forum spent that XBT on hosting or some other minor things. So by your logic where will these refunds come from now; out of the current donations, theymos' pocket, or where from exactly? Is every later donator supposed to basically subsidize these refunds and give a profit to earlier donators?

If the BTC had already been spent then they would not get a refund. And this is the logic of the forum, not mine. Wink

EDIT: If the BTC was spent in an improper way, then they would be refunded in USD of course.

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Quote from: surfer43 on February 09, 2014, 03:46:28 PM

Quote from: User705 on February 09, 2014, 03:37:37 PM

Just out of curiosity all of you who want a refund of your donations are you expecting straight XBT refund or fiat equivalent and why? Also why did you donate at the time if those questions weren't answered?

Since the forum donation levels are pegged to BTC, they obviously want a refund in BTC. Works both ways you know Tongue

So someone donated to the forums a few years back at $10/XBT and let's say the forum spent that XBT on hosting or some other minor things. So by your logic where will these refunds come from now; out of the current donations, theymos' pocket, or where from exactly? Is every later donator supposed to basically subsidize these refunds and give a profit to earlier donators?

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Quote from: User705 on February 09, 2014, 03:37:37 PM

Just out of curiosity all of you who want a refund of your donations are you expecting straight XBT refund or fiat equivalent and why? Also why did you donate at the time if those questions weren't answered?

Since the forum donation levels are pegged to BTC, they obviously want a refund in BTC. Works both ways you know Tongue

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Just out of curiosity all of you who want a refund of your donations are you expecting straight XBT refund or fiat equivalent and why? Also why did you donate at the time if those questions weren't answered?

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Quote from: danyy on February 09, 2014, 02:20:18 PM

Goat a pleasure to have a talk with you, but Augusto Croppo is just trolling, he surely is buthurt because he sold all his bitcoins at $200 on the past months.

Certainly whatever BTC I sold in the past months has nothing to do with the present situation.

The only "buthurt" here is you, d00d.

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LoL at the global moderator trying to control the discussion when he fails completely to do that in other sections of the forum.

I also have some questions:

Why you admitted to spent 150,000 USD in a deal to hire a software firm as the below evidence shows? It that just part of the whole 350,000 USD payment? If so, what is the ID transaction of this initial payment? You also stated that you used the 10 BTC from Matthew and that only cost Matthew 52.09 USD. How do you know that was exactly what Matthew wished to provide at the time of the donation? Moreover, why did you specifically choose Matthew 10 BTC to exchange for 6408.50 USD? Could you present proof the exchange happened?

Quote from: augustocroppo on February 09, 2014, 12:28:15 PM

Arrogance, hypocrisy and deception.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x0e28/request_for_information_for_lawsuit_against/

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Augusto Croppo is just trolling, he surely is buthurt because he sold all his bitcoins at $200 on the past months.

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Quote from: danyy on February 09, 2014, 02:10:05 PM

Quote from: augustocroppo on February 09, 2014, 02:06:42 PM

Quote from: danyy on February 09, 2014, 02:01:21 PM

theymos created this forum since 2009 or first quarter of 2010, when nobody believed in bitcoin and he probably spent some real cash and TIME in something that for that date could have be a total waste of resources, and now thanks to this forum many people, including me, have know more about bitcoin. probably thanks to this forum you have a part of what you have now.

...and thanks to what was not improved in the forum I do not have what should be part of what I am now.

In the court you must have with you REAL and past facts, imaginary things wont gonna help you.

Yes, I know that, d00d. That is exactly what the defence would have to provide, real facts about how the funds were spent.

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Quote from: Welsh on February 09, 2014, 12:15:27 PM

Quote from: 2double0 on February 09, 2014, 12:06:22 PM

WHY DOESNT THE FORUM HAVE A TIPPING BOT OF SOME SORT?

Because it doesn't need a tipping function inside the forum itself. It's rather easy to copy and paste a Bitcoin address, adding a built in tipping function is one more thing which can go wrong, and at this moment in time to forum doesn't need anything else to go wrong. If you want to tip people look at their profile, signature or contact them about it I'm sure they won't say no.

Also, I would appreciate it if you didn't use such annoying text and edit your previous post instead of replying to get your post count up.

It was just to get the question noticed. Thanks for the reply though.

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Quote from: 2double0 on February 09, 2014, 12:06:22 PM

WHY DOESNT THE FORUM HAVE A TIPPING BOT OF SOME SORT?

Because it doesn't need a tipping function inside the forum itself. It's rather easy to copy and paste a Bitcoin address, adding a built in tipping function is one more thing which can go wrong, and at this moment in time to forum doesn't need anything else to go wrong. If you want to tip people look at their profile, signature or contact them about it I'm sure they won't say no.

Also, I would appreciate it if you didn't use such annoying text and edit your previous post instead of replying to get your post count up.

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WHY DOESNT THE FORUM HAVE A TIPPING BOT OF SOME SORT?

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Quote from: Sheldor333 on February 09, 2014, 11:18:21 AM

What kind of software are talking about here, since $350k is a lot of money. I mean you assumed we all know what you are talking about.

Not too sure, probably security systems and additional features.

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What kind of software are talking about here, since $350k is a lot of money. I mean you assumed we all know what you are talking about.

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