@thebountiful Thanks for give us you point of view about Clayton but I feel that rest of anothers devs are doing very good work on HZ, Some peoples seem to be disappointed due to low prices but it is normal because of the long period of distribution, About a slack and a Foundation could be good idea too, Many coins are doing same thing. One more thing, Nxt for example is on low prices just now, So anything more could are affecting the landscape of this type of platforms like HZ and NXT.
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Wtf. You definitely haven't been around for long, or you wouldn't call getting rid of silver after his theft and betrayal a "hostile overtake". NHZ started with 4 people, cbkr and me being 2 of them. With the first rise of price over 100 silver dumped millions of coins which weren't his, because he "wanted to keep the price low". And of course he kept the BTC he made with that for himself.
I'm glad nick and james were around that time (they wanted to join in and help, nobody thought about kicking silver before he pulled off what he did). It took them a lot of effort to get the (major part) of the remaining funds from him. Without them, NHZ would have died at that point, being nothing but another coin used by an anon dev to make some quick bucks.
How you can come up with calling him the "original dev", while all he did was creating the genesis block and leaving all work after that basically to me and the people I managed to get into the team, is absolutely not understandable.
And your statement that we wouldn't have worked for our bounties is ridiculously insulting.
https://horizonplatform.io
https://github.com/NeXTHorizon/
https://github.com/pharesim?tab=repositories
I'm glad nick and james were around that time (they wanted to join in and help, nobody thought about kicking silver before he pulled off what he did). It took them a lot of effort to get the (major part) of the remaining funds from him. Without them, NHZ would have died at that point, being nothing but another coin used by an anon dev to make some quick bucks.
How you can come up with calling him the "original dev", while all he did was creating the genesis block and leaving all work after that basically to me and the people I managed to get into the team, is absolutely not understandable.
And your statement that we wouldn't have worked for our bounties is ridiculously insulting.
https://horizonplatform.io
https://github.com/NeXTHorizon/
https://github.com/pharesim?tab=repositories
Blame original dev... Check
Steal project through devious means from original dev and make him look like bad guy... Check
Destroy all momentum on coin and call it "a long term investment" .... Check
Never fix valid issues with code and distribution... Check
Squander development funds and leech community... Check
Destroy active community and beg for new dev funds to squander... Check
Now that we have paid ourselves a bitcoin a month each to produce barely anything that resembles development.... Other than some flashy photoshop and a few lines of Java.... We want the community to do the work.
Sorry, you burned the community and we are done with all of you.
Steal project through devious means from original dev and make him look like bad guy... Check
Destroy all momentum on coin and call it "a long term investment" .... Check
Never fix valid issues with code and distribution... Check
Squander development funds and leech community... Check
Destroy active community and beg for new dev funds to squander... Check
Now that we have paid ourselves a bitcoin a month each to produce barely anything that resembles development.... Other than some flashy photoshop and a few lines of Java.... We want the community to do the work.
Sorry, you burned the community and we are done with all of you.
I am going to say the same thing I said in another thread. Clayton is a pumper snake. He uses his non anonymous status as if it makes him an honest person but if you look at his posts in the Facebook groups you can see him telling people to buy and hold while on his blockchain r is moving millions of coins to multiple accounts all siphoning to POLO to dump on newbies and those people who trust him.
As for the team, it is inept. The technology is inherently no different than NXT. It'd just got a shiny new UI which according to this professional team makes this coin appeal to the corporate world. But let's face the facts. NHZ had a much better distribution model than this teams model. It was better off before they got involved. Team members getting paid 1 million HZ a month to do nothing.... Now the team is, and has been the largest holders of the coin.
I suspect I will get called out for being anon when people who are not anon that bring up valid concerns over past year get attacked in the forums and Facebook for just wanting HZ to have better development. The super secret HZ team is NOW opening their slack to the community after months of top secret non development. We can only imagine what was really spoken of in these back rooms...
One can only conclude that the real reason for secrecy involves their distribution model to leech the community so they have some extra trading funds. This is an example when greedy traders take over a coin and it is truly sad. The original selloff the other day came right before their crappy announcement so seems like a little insider trading by the devs... Or maybe they just wanted a better coin like ETH... Especially since they are now venturing into ESP (expanse) their new scheme to leech their cryptocurrency collector club followers. I hope the good people involved in this ETH clone realize how important it is to keep these people far away from their project.
Whole thing makes me sick! I'm sure Clayton will come on here acting like a noble warrior in crypto helping people make good picks.
When he says buy, that's when he sells. I can list dozens of examples where his picks were horrible for those who bought in except for him. 160 satoshis for NHZ is cheap... Buy buy buy!!! What a hack. The original dev was kicked out of NHZ in a hostile takeover and no one questions the true intentions of this group. I hope the rest of the HZ community realizes the truth about this group of insider snakes and thieves who pose as noble crypto traders while in their secret groups and convos they plan pumps and dumps on community.
HZ needs to be over. Project is a failure and the only way it can be saved is if whole project is given to another team. Otherwise HZ will be traded in sub satoshi. Only the team will trade the coin amongst themselves to give illusion of a demand.
As for the team, it is inept. The technology is inherently no different than NXT. It'd just got a shiny new UI which according to this professional team makes this coin appeal to the corporate world. But let's face the facts. NHZ had a much better distribution model than this teams model. It was better off before they got involved. Team members getting paid 1 million HZ a month to do nothing.... Now the team is, and has been the largest holders of the coin.
I suspect I will get called out for being anon when people who are not anon that bring up valid concerns over past year get attacked in the forums and Facebook for just wanting HZ to have better development. The super secret HZ team is NOW opening their slack to the community after months of top secret non development. We can only imagine what was really spoken of in these back rooms...
One can only conclude that the real reason for secrecy involves their distribution model to leech the community so they have some extra trading funds. This is an example when greedy traders take over a coin and it is truly sad. The original selloff the other day came right before their crappy announcement so seems like a little insider trading by the devs... Or maybe they just wanted a better coin like ETH... Especially since they are now venturing into ESP (expanse) their new scheme to leech their cryptocurrency collector club followers. I hope the good people involved in this ETH clone realize how important it is to keep these people far away from their project.
Whole thing makes me sick! I'm sure Clayton will come on here acting like a noble warrior in crypto helping people make good picks.
When he says buy, that's when he sells. I can list dozens of examples where his picks were horrible for those who bought in except for him. 160 satoshis for NHZ is cheap... Buy buy buy!!! What a hack. The original dev was kicked out of NHZ in a hostile takeover and no one questions the true intentions of this group. I hope the rest of the HZ community realizes the truth about this group of insider snakes and thieves who pose as noble crypto traders while in their secret groups and convos they plan pumps and dumps on community.
HZ needs to be over. Project is a failure and the only way it can be saved is if whole project is given to another team. Otherwise HZ will be traded in sub satoshi. Only the team will trade the coin amongst themselves to give illusion of a demand.
Wow, so much drama.
In the Expanse thread there's even accusations that the recent drop was because of insider sell-offs before the foundation announcement. I can guarantee that this wasn't the case. Creating a foundation was planned since weeks, but nobody knew it would be announced when it was. I did it pretty spontaneous that night.
And now people even get fishy about team members receiving the equivalent of 1 BTC/month for their work.Whoever you are, you suck. We're not your slaves, and it wasn't even your money. And most important: You could've been part of that team too, if you wanted (and brought some skills). We've never been a closed circle.
@GoldenEye: sorry to see you go, but that was to be expected when the node bounties start running out, wasn't it?
As a long time supporter you should be aware about what we went through. You should know that of those 138M to founders you decry, 100M were stolen by silverNxt a year ago. Having our main dev betray us was a huge draw-back, and if it wasn't about Pizpie and the CCC crew we probably would've given up at that time.
We had coders come and go then, and it took a while, some more drama, and more work for us to get someone worth their bounties. That's where MaWo came in, and again, without him HZ would be long dead.
Regarding bounties in general, the slogan for NHZ was "distributed by bounties", not "distributed to nodes". The whole idea was to recruit talent by paying them bounties for their work. The results of that have been mixed, most contributors dumped and disappeared more sooner than later. The node bounty being the main means of distribution was not planned, it was thought as a way to include those who can't help in a really productive way. But we just couldn't find as many reliable persons who'd stick around to receive something for real work.
So here we are, making plans how to keep HZ alive, and it's sad to see so many "supporters" falling into our backs now. We _need_ funds to incentivize people to work with us in the future, and to pay for regular expenses. The chances of finding someone to seriously contribute aren't too big, and that those 50M need to last for a while and we have to be close-fisted at payouts doesn't make it easier.
So what changed? We're concentrating on development, and give everyone who's interested the possibility to decide with us and help us shaping HZ's future. Nobody knows what it'll look like, but we're not giving up. If you are, please do it quietly and refrain from stabbing us in the back while you do. Everyone else, please join us on slack!
In the Expanse thread there's even accusations that the recent drop was because of insider sell-offs before the foundation announcement. I can guarantee that this wasn't the case. Creating a foundation was planned since weeks, but nobody knew it would be announced when it was. I did it pretty spontaneous that night.
And now people even get fishy about team members receiving the equivalent of 1 BTC/month for their work.
@GoldenEye: sorry to see you go, but that was to be expected when the node bounties start running out, wasn't it?
As a long time supporter you should be aware about what we went through. You should know that of those 138M to founders you decry, 100M were stolen by silverNxt a year ago. Having our main dev betray us was a huge draw-back, and if it wasn't about Pizpie and the CCC crew we probably would've given up at that time.
We had coders come and go then, and it took a while, some more drama, and more work for us to get someone worth their bounties. That's where MaWo came in, and again, without him HZ would be long dead.
Regarding bounties in general, the slogan for NHZ was "distributed by bounties", not "distributed to nodes". The whole idea was to recruit talent by paying them bounties for their work. The results of that have been mixed, most contributors dumped and disappeared more sooner than later. The node bounty being the main means of distribution was not planned, it was thought as a way to include those who can't help in a really productive way. But we just couldn't find as many reliable persons who'd stick around to receive something for real work.
So here we are, making plans how to keep HZ alive, and it's sad to see so many "supporters" falling into our backs now. We _need_ funds to incentivize people to work with us in the future, and to pay for regular expenses. The chances of finding someone to seriously contribute aren't too big, and that those 50M need to last for a while and we have to be close-fisted at payouts doesn't make it easier.
So what changed? We're concentrating on development, and give everyone who's interested the possibility to decide with us and help us shaping HZ's future. Nobody knows what it'll look like, but we're not giving up. If you are, please do it quietly and refrain from stabbing us in the back while you do. Everyone else, please join us on slack!
Finally open and honest words. For me, unfortunately, too late. I wish you good luck and success.
Wow, so much drama.
In the Expanse thread there's even accusations that the recent drop was because of insider sell-offs before the foundation announcement. I can guarantee that this wasn't the case. Creating a foundation was planned since weeks, but nobody knew it would be announced when it was. I did it pretty spontaneous that night.
And now people even get fishy about team members receiving the equivalent of 1 BTC/month for their work.Whoever you are, you suck. We're not your slaves, and it wasn't even your money. And most important: You could've been part of that team too, if you wanted (and brought some skills). We've never been a closed circle.
@GoldenEye: sorry to see you go, but that was to be expected when the node bounties start running out, wasn't it?
As a long time supporter you should be aware about what we went through. You should know that of those 138M to founders you decry, 100M were stolen by silverNxt a year ago. Having our main dev betray us was a huge draw-back, and if it wasn't about Pizpie and the CCC crew we probably would've given up at that time.
We had coders come and go then, and it took a while, some more drama, and more work for us to get someone worth their bounties. That's where MaWo came in, and again, without him HZ would be long dead.
Regarding bounties in general, the slogan for NHZ was "distributed by bounties", not "distributed to nodes". The whole idea was to recruit talent by paying them bounties for their work. The results of that have been mixed, most contributors dumped and disappeared more sooner than later. The node bounty being the main means of distribution was not planned, it was thought as a way to include those who can't help in a really productive way. But we just couldn't find as many reliable persons who'd stick around to receive something for real work.
So here we are, making plans how to keep HZ alive, and it's sad to see so many "supporters" falling into our backs now. We _need_ funds to incentivize people to work with us in the future, and to pay for regular expenses. The chances of finding someone to seriously contribute aren't too big, and that those 50M need to last for a while and we have to be close-fisted at payouts doesn't make it easier.
So what changed? We're concentrating on development, and give everyone who's interested the possibility to decide with us and help us shaping HZ's future. Nobody knows what it'll look like, but we're not giving up. If you are, please do it quietly and refrain from stabbing us in the back while you do. Everyone else, please join us on slack!
In the Expanse thread there's even accusations that the recent drop was because of insider sell-offs before the foundation announcement. I can guarantee that this wasn't the case. Creating a foundation was planned since weeks, but nobody knew it would be announced when it was. I did it pretty spontaneous that night.
And now people even get fishy about team members receiving the equivalent of 1 BTC/month for their work.
@GoldenEye: sorry to see you go, but that was to be expected when the node bounties start running out, wasn't it?
As a long time supporter you should be aware about what we went through. You should know that of those 138M to founders you decry, 100M were stolen by silverNxt a year ago. Having our main dev betray us was a huge draw-back, and if it wasn't about Pizpie and the CCC crew we probably would've given up at that time.
We had coders come and go then, and it took a while, some more drama, and more work for us to get someone worth their bounties. That's where MaWo came in, and again, without him HZ would be long dead.
Regarding bounties in general, the slogan for NHZ was "distributed by bounties", not "distributed to nodes". The whole idea was to recruit talent by paying them bounties for their work. The results of that have been mixed, most contributors dumped and disappeared more sooner than later. The node bounty being the main means of distribution was not planned, it was thought as a way to include those who can't help in a really productive way. But we just couldn't find as many reliable persons who'd stick around to receive something for real work.
So here we are, making plans how to keep HZ alive, and it's sad to see so many "supporters" falling into our backs now. We _need_ funds to incentivize people to work with us in the future, and to pay for regular expenses. The chances of finding someone to seriously contribute aren't too big, and that those 50M need to last for a while and we have to be close-fisted at payouts doesn't make it easier.
So what changed? We're concentrating on development, and give everyone who's interested the possibility to decide with us and help us shaping HZ's future. Nobody knows what it'll look like, but we're not giving up. If you are, please do it quietly and refrain from stabbing us in the back while you do. Everyone else, please join us on slack!
I was one of the first fans of NHZ in April 2014.
At that time NHZ was one of the first clones of NXT ad had a great distribution model.
I had hoped that HZ could be an independent coin with its own unique features.
Now, almost one and a half years later, I'm disappointed.
HZ was characterized by lack of transparency, incompetence (cbkr) and marketing gibberish (Pizpie).
Now, after the distribution is almost over, HZ is only a NXT clone and nothing else.
I'm sorry for MaWo (one of the better software developers) and the other former NFD owners. It seems that the phoenix dies a second time.
The establishment of "Horizon Foundation" yesterday was the last example that the devs make what they want. So you've finally lost my confidence.
Were the 138 million HZ (15% of distribution), which got the founders, still too low?
Additionally, 233 million HZ have flowed in any bounties, it is not known who got it.
Only a third of the distribution has been paid to the node owners
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Time to say goodbye.
In my opinion HZ has no future.
At that time NHZ was one of the first clones of NXT ad had a great distribution model.
I had hoped that HZ could be an independent coin with its own unique features.
Now, almost one and a half years later, I'm disappointed.
HZ was characterized by lack of transparency, incompetence (cbkr) and marketing gibberish (Pizpie).
Now, after the distribution is almost over, HZ is only a NXT clone and nothing else.
I'm sorry for MaWo (one of the better software developers) and the other former NFD owners. It seems that the phoenix dies a second time.
The establishment of "Horizon Foundation" yesterday was the last example that the devs make what they want. So you've finally lost my confidence.
Were the 138 million HZ (15% of distribution), which got the founders, still too low?
Additionally, 233 million HZ have flowed in any bounties, it is not known who got it.
Only a third of the distribution has been paid to the node owners
.Time to say goodbye.
In my opinion HZ has no future.
@pizpie whoops
I was one of the first fans of NHZ in April 2014.
At that time NHZ was one of the first clones of NXT ad had a great distribution model.
I had hoped that HZ could be an independent coin with its own unique features.
Now, almost one and a half years later, I'm disappointed.
HZ was characterized by lack of transparency, incompetence (cbkr) and marketing gibberish (Pizpie).
Now, after the distribution is almost over, HZ is only a NXT clone and nothing else.
I'm sorry for MaWo (one of the better software developers) and the other former NFD owners. It seems that the phoenix dies a second time.
The establishment of "Horizon Foundation" yesterday was the last example that the devs make what they want. So you've finally lost my confidence.
Were the 138 million HZ (15% of distribution), which got the founders, still too low?
Additionally, 233 million HZ have flowed in any bounties, it is not known who got it.
Only a third of the distribution has been paid to the node owners.
Time to say goodbye.
In my opinion HZ has no future.
At that time NHZ was one of the first clones of NXT ad had a great distribution model.
I had hoped that HZ could be an independent coin with its own unique features.
Now, almost one and a half years later, I'm disappointed.
HZ was characterized by lack of transparency, incompetence (cbkr) and marketing gibberish (Pizpie).
Now, after the distribution is almost over, HZ is only a NXT clone and nothing else.
I'm sorry for MaWo (one of the better software developers) and the other former NFD owners. It seems that the phoenix dies a second time.
The establishment of "Horizon Foundation" yesterday was the last example that the devs make what they want. So you've finally lost my confidence.
Were the 138 million HZ (15% of distribution), which got the founders, still too low?
Additionally, 233 million HZ have flowed in any bounties, it is not known who got it.
Only a third of the distribution has been paid to the node owners
.Time to say goodbye.
In my opinion HZ has no future.
what's the matter on that post?
There has been what looks like an exit by some medium holders but I don't think this is fatal to HZ, there is a lot of value ot the technology. It's just getting started.
No large holders or team members have left HZ. We just put out a release a couple weeks ago, and 5.0 is on the way, currently on test net.
Good news, Besides price HZ will increase as soon as phase of distribution is finished. Maybe you could release 5.0 until it happens.
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The team slack is now open to the public, everyone but him can pass me an email address if they want to join.
Everything regarding the further set-up of the foundation, and later on the internals will be discussed there.
There's no other 50M left. 
The remaining funds are left for stakeholder and node bounties. Everything else that is paid out will come from the foundation account and will be phased with community votes. No need to worry that any coins would be dumped. (You guys should know better after all that time anyway)
We're entering the last part of the distribution phase, and like we changed the way node bounties are paid, we also have to rethink the other means. The team invested tons of time to keep everything going, and received monthly payouts to compensate for that. We can't keep that running like it was in the last months, because combined with the seriously low price we'd run out of funds in no time.
So everything is cut down now, the foundation will pay for projects, and we'll see how much the community valuates different tasks.
That's not possible everywhere. Hosting cost is a fixed amount for example, there won't be any vote about that. It needs to get paid.
This also means: The foundation will need to find ways to get fresh funds sooner or later. Prepare for even harder times
And one note to those fudding about our intentions: HZ was founded 1 1/2 years ago, and all profits I made during this time were made through trading the ups and downs. I still hold more coins than I received through bounties (because of the HZx crowdsale and giving price support). If I could get out completely at the current price, I would have made a staggering 5000$.
Nobody I know (maybe except the anon dev who created the genesis block) made any reasonable amount of money out of HZ so far. And I do know everyone who did something. I don't know if there's anyone out there, but if so, it wasn't someone who contributed something.
The remaining funds are left for stakeholder and node bounties. Everything else that is paid out will come from the foundation account and will be phased with community votes. No need to worry that any coins would be dumped. (You guys should know better after all that time anyway)
We're entering the last part of the distribution phase, and like we changed the way node bounties are paid, we also have to rethink the other means. The team invested tons of time to keep everything going, and received monthly payouts to compensate for that. We can't keep that running like it was in the last months, because combined with the seriously low price we'd run out of funds in no time.
So everything is cut down now, the foundation will pay for projects, and we'll see how much the community valuates different tasks.
That's not possible everywhere. Hosting cost is a fixed amount for example, there won't be any vote about that. It needs to get paid.
This also means: The foundation will need to find ways to get fresh funds sooner or later. Prepare for even harder times
And one note to those fudding about our intentions: HZ was founded 1 1/2 years ago, and all profits I made during this time were made through trading the ups and downs. I still hold more coins than I received through bounties (because of the HZx crowdsale and giving price support). If I could get out completely at the current price, I would have made a staggering 5000$.
Nobody I know (maybe except the anon dev who created the genesis block) made any reasonable amount of money out of HZ so far. And I do know everyone who did something. I don't know if there's anyone out there, but if so, it wasn't someone who contributed something.
i can see at least 6 contradiction can anyone beat 6
There's no other 50M left.
The remaining funds are left for stakeholder and node bounties. Everything else that is paid out will come from the foundation account and will be phased with community votes. No need to worry that any coins would be dumped. (You guys should know better after all that time anyway)
We're entering the last part of the distribution phase, and like we changed the way node bounties are paid, we also have to rethink the other means. The team invested tons of time to keep everything going, and received monthly payouts to compensate for that. We can't keep that running like it was in the last months, because combined with the seriously low price we'd run out of funds in no time.
So everything is cut down now, the foundation will pay for projects, and we'll see how much the community valuates different tasks.
That's not possible everywhere. Hosting cost is a fixed amount for example, there won't be any vote about that. It needs to get paid.
This also means: The foundation will need to find ways to get fresh funds sooner or later. Prepare for even harder times
And one note to those fudding about our intentions: HZ was founded 1 1/2 years ago, and all profits I made during this time were made through trading the ups and downs. I still hold more coins than I received through bounties (because of the HZx crowdsale and giving price support). If I could get out completely at the current price, I would have made a staggering 5000$.
Nobody I know (maybe except the anon dev who created the genesis block) made any reasonable amount of money out of HZ so far. And I do know everyone who did something. I don't know if there's anyone out there, but if so, it wasn't someone who contributed something.
The remaining funds are left for stakeholder and node bounties. Everything else that is paid out will come from the foundation account and will be phased with community votes. No need to worry that any coins would be dumped. (You guys should know better after all that time anyway)
We're entering the last part of the distribution phase, and like we changed the way node bounties are paid, we also have to rethink the other means. The team invested tons of time to keep everything going, and received monthly payouts to compensate for that. We can't keep that running like it was in the last months, because combined with the seriously low price we'd run out of funds in no time.
So everything is cut down now, the foundation will pay for projects, and we'll see how much the community valuates different tasks.
That's not possible everywhere. Hosting cost is a fixed amount for example, there won't be any vote about that. It needs to get paid.
This also means: The foundation will need to find ways to get fresh funds sooner or later. Prepare for even harder times
And one note to those fudding about our intentions: HZ was founded 1 1/2 years ago, and all profits I made during this time were made through trading the ups and downs. I still hold more coins than I received through bounties (because of the HZx crowdsale and giving price support). If I could get out completely at the current price, I would have made a staggering 5000$.
Nobody I know (maybe except the anon dev who created the genesis block) made any reasonable amount of money out of HZ so far. And I do know everyone who did something. I don't know if there's anyone out there, but if so, it wasn't someone who contributed something.
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