Topic: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated. - page 25. (Read 89509 times)

The feedback is good for posters and books alike.

DirectBet doesn't have any idea of what's been talked about with other books.

Let's get back on track. DirectBet:

1. How many years of gambling experience do you have as a bookmaker?
2. How many years of experience do you have gambling?
3.. How many employees do you have at DirectBet?

Hi folks,

Happy Friday to us all!

Just a short note from us here at Cloudbet.

The operators should be the ones under scrutiny here. It's useful - and important - that we operators have a place to exchange feedback with our clients and with the betting community. It's important for us to continue to have objective open dialog with the folks who use our service. It's invaluable. It helps us understand the concerns our clients have, needs and demands they have, and is extremely useful in helping us make improvements to our product and service offering. Negative feedback is most helpful -- it teaches us the most. We must continue to strive to improve the quality of our products and services.

I would implore all operators who post here to allow the betting community to post their comments without confrontation. We - at least us here at Cloudbet - have a lot to learn from them, despite our team having been in the industry for nearly 10 years and in some cases much longer.

We're rated a B, or a C, or something. It doesn't matter what criteria the raters use, we can't influence that. What matters is the feedback we receive, that empowers us to improve the quality and breadth of our service. Please - be harsh, be critical, be brutal even, but be honest and objective.

Here's hoping all of your parlays hit this weekend!

Cheers,
Cloudbet

Peeps - You've ignored me twice when I point out you never instituted listing whether a book has manual or automatic withdrawals.
 Why?

DirectBet, as you know, says it's because you are paid to promote Anonibet, and since they are manual withdrawals you are avoiding listing the manner of withdrawal for all books.

DirectBet - "No Gogo, I am specifically talking about books paying Peeps to promote them in forums. I am not talking just about advertising on his website.

Peeps, if you are so certain that your ratings are unbiased then why are you not willing to put a disclosure on the opening post as to which books are paying you ?"




It appears you want to be asked to tell your story re: your knowledge of Peeps being paid to promote.

Do so - we are all ears...

@ peeps

I agree trust is a huge Issue with bitcoin books.
 
The thing about anoni is that they fall behind far and away the books that would be considered the best when it comes to utility and odds.

My point isnt other books should be A rated, they shoulnt but the question is wether anoni should be A rated?

Maybe they should recieve a Bonus point for trust but do you seriously can point out what else makes them A rated?

I think none of the books should be A rated, there just isnt a book out there that deserves that rating yet. If we go by anoni standards any book in buisiness 2 years from now would be A rated.



p.s.: can you disclose wether anoni does indeed pay you to promote them in this thread or not. I dont think there is any evidence for it but directbet seems convinced and afaik you havent clearly denied it.

No Gogo, I am specifically talking about books paying Peeps to promote them in forums. I am not talking just about advertising on his website.

Peeps, if you are so certain that your ratings are unbiased then why are you not willing to put a disclosure on the opening post as to which books are paying you ?

Readers here are very smart and will be able to decide for themselves whether this has any influence or not.

I think the following is more precise and reveals what all including Peeps agree with:

Some books pay for advertising on a website which Peeps is associated with.

What rating would you give Anonibet? "A+" is the highest since there are different degrees of "A"s. Longevity is only a concern for books in business less than two years. With top books Bitbook, Blockbet and Bit365 going under, I feel as though handing out an "A" prior to being to a book being in business 2 years is not in the best interest of the posters that may just check in to see a letter grade. An "A" book going under also tarnishes the rating system.

The write ups and feedback are more important for those that read them. More detailed information is given. Let's wait until the World Cup to make upgrades and downgrades of the top books unless they have a problem. The World Cup is the highest betting event by far and will be a good indication of each individual book.




 

Gogo, Bismarckbkk, WhatsBitcoin, Legions36 and all :

We take your feedback very seriously, as is evident by our thread here.

We understand your criticism about our odds and will continue to look for ways to improve our service.

If you agree with the ratings here, we certainly respect that.

What we are asking is that Peeps disclose in the opening post which Bitcoin Sportbooks are paying him to promote them in forums.

I would also downgrade anoni , yes theyre the longest in the buisiness but is that the only criteria? If yes then all the books should have the max rating based on their time in buisiness. If there is a  max grade for time in buisiness what is the criteria to determine wether they get the max rating? Anoni certainly doesnt deserve its max rating on any secondary factors I could think of.

Lets assume anoni nitro and cloudbet both had max rating of A. Would anoni come even close to cloudbet and nitro? Even directbet is a whining baby offering terrible odds he has a point with anoni.

Don't you think that Peeps should be placing a disclaimer at the opening post, stating that he is getting paid by Anonibet to promote them in forums, to alert users of a possible conflict of interest ?

As of today they would be a C+ at the very most and only because of the feature to withdraw each bet. Doesn't mean I would bet 5k here not even close. I feel they are way to new to have a rating higher than this.

I can vouch that this whole post from direct bet bet is false claims towards PeepPlace. Myself and others had part in the change of rating system. I have zero affiliation with PeepsPlace and u can check my history at other forums for many years and see how much I have been truthful over the years about books.

DirectBet- I said if an established poster complained of being stiffed that I would be all over it. I don't care about a first time poster that refuses to give me what I ask for.

I don't know why you have a hard on for Anonibet. If a guy walks up to me on the street and asks where he should play soccer at with bitcoins, I'll tell him Anoninbet. I don't want him coming back to me in a month and say that I promoted a stiff book.

 I won't mention Anonibet's name unless someone brings it up. I'm not trying to push them.

The next time that you start a business, you should make friends with competitors while you are new. Business 101. When you lie, bullshit and back stab, it comes back to bite you in the ass.

I don't know who you are referring to.

For the record, all our posts on Bitcointalk are done from this account.

It's sad to see that you are accusing us of posting negative feedback on other books from shill accounts.

That's a lie. And it is clear now that you do not have the creditability or authority to rate Bitcoin sportbooks.


You did not implement Gogo suggestion to add next to each rating a mark whether withdrawals are automatic or not, despite promising him to do so.

Why didn't you do it ? Because it won't look good if Anonibet, your top rated Bitcoin sportsbook, will have a mark next to it indicating that they process withdrawals manually. This will hurt the creditability of your ratings list, as such a mark indicates the book is operating on lower capital or is technically incompetent.

I stand by what I said :

When posters suggest changes that favor Anonibet rating, you implement them.

When posters provide negative feedback on Anonibet or suggest changes that might negatively affect their score, you ignore them.

This ratings guide has turned into a disguised advertising vehicle for Anonibet.

Thanks

You got some feedback just as you requested, instead of complaining why don't you actually try fixing the issues that many many people have made clear, especially your AWFUL odds.

Also, the suggestion was to cap the max rating, not to automatically award the max rating based on how long the book is in business.

C- or C for Directbet in my opinion. Too new, awful odds. Could find better odds at a C rated cash book anyday. Anonibet B- or B (cause you can trust them, otherwise they suck just as much as Directbet). Nitrogen B+. Should not be a single book an A because no book actually is good. All books do not have high limits or do not have good odds. You need both plus a trustworthy past to be a good book. Almost every BTC book has odds that literally would have my bookie customers stabbing me if I tried asking them for as much juice as anonibet, Directbet, Jetwin, and all the other scrub books ask for when betting. Anything below 1.91/1.91 pregame or 1.88/1.88 live should be shunned and not called a sportsbook imo. The 1.80/1.80 and sometimes as low as 1.70/1.70 offered by Directbet deserves a kick in where it hurts most for actually calling themselves a legitimate sportsbook, those odds are just simply an indirect scam.

And please don't say "wait til right before game for best odds" bullshit. Because lets face it, even then you barely offer 1.90/1.90 odds then except for NBA and probably NFL which everyone, even scambooks do.

Honestly, I could almost personally GUARANTEE that pregame odds tomorrow for all major US sports 5 minutes before start will be easily found beat by a different book. I personally guarantee a better line at casinobitco.in, nitrogen or webetcoins for every NHL, NBA, and MLB game, 5 minutes before start. Directbet? Who cares. They will never be the industry standard or leader. They will never be a bitbook or a 5dimes. Just a book filling the niche of degenerate gamblers needing 24/7 live betting while paying the worst juice in the industry.

You offer huge 8 BTC payout maximums? Ohhh thats great! When your house edges are 10%+ I could easily convince some investors to offer that much too. Just leave PeepsPlace alone, even if he is getting paid by Anonibet, they are a better book than Directbet. Unless you truly stop being greedy assholes and payout what the industry standards REALLY are, you will never be worth more than a C rating in my book and many others.