Ratings are updated in the first post. Here's what they are:
"A" rated books
Anonibet A (2011)
"B"rated books
NitrogenSports B+ (2012)
"C" rated books
Casinobitcoin C+ (2013)
Cloudbet C+ (2013)
SBObitcoin C+ (2013) *
Betcoinsports C (2013)
DirectBet C (2013)
Jetwin C- (2013)
BetOWI C- (2014) *
Bitbm C- (2013)
"D" rated books
Coindraft D+ (2014)
Roadbet D+ (2012)
BetVIP D+ (2014)
Bitcoinlivebets D- (2013)
"F" rated books
BetCas F
Bitcoinsport F
Coinbet F
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC
* longer accepting cash deposits
Maximum grade based upon time in business:
A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are slow paying or stiffing players
Topic: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated. - page 29. (Read 89572 times)
April 29, 2014, 01:57:31 PM
April 29, 2014, 01:49:22 PM
DirectBet- You are defeating the purpose of this thread. BitcoinzRulez is a respected poster that plays at the books. If he has a problem or dislike with a book, his opinion holds weight. We need experiences from all posters in this thread. We have questions for books in this thread. That's the purpose of the thread. Start new threads for personal squabbles.
BitcoinRulez maybe be respected by u and others by being truthful and such, but BitcoinRulez is by far the dumbest poster and better i have ever come across. Please Peeps Place don't condone people to max deposit and max bet at shops that are open 2 months this way they don't think its ok to do something as stupid as this poster, this way at least if the place turns out to be a scam they people won't lose out more then they should have. Maximum grade based upon time in business:
A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are slow paying or stiffing players
April 29, 2014, 01:46:10 PM
DirectBet- You are defeating the purpose of this thread. BitcoinzRulez is a respected poster that plays at the books. If he has a problem or dislike with a book, his opinion holds weight. We need experiences from all posters in this thread. We have questions for books in this thread. That's the purpose of the thread. Start new threads for personal squabbles.
BitcoinRulez maybe be respected by u and others by being truthful and such, but BitcoinRulez is by far the dumbest poster and better i have ever come across. Please Peeps Place don't condone people to max deposit and max bet at shops that are open 2 months this way they don't think its ok to do something as stupid as this poster, this way at least if the place turns out to be a scam they people won't lose out more then they should have. April 29, 2014, 12:50:44 PM
My account was hacked into at Casinobitcoin. Someone asked for a withdrawal. The money was taken out of my account but Casinobitcoin caught it. They sent me an email asking if I requested the withdrawal. I told them it was someone else and I didn't lose any funds. They put the bitcoins back in my account.
April 29, 2014, 12:40:09 PM
RyanK's ratings based upon POSTER votes.
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4.3 anonibet.com ( 7 )
4.2 nitrogensports.eu ( 9 )
4.0 bitcoinlivebets.com ( 5 )
3.2 directbet.eu ( 5 )
3.0 coindrafts.com ( 2 )
3.0 darkbet.com ( 1 )
2.8 cloudbet.com ( 5 )
2.8 jetwin.com ( 5 )
2.7 casinobitco.in ( 3 )
2.5 betcoinsports.com ( 5 )
1.0 bitcoinsports.eu ( 2 )
N/A webetcoins.com ( 0 )
N/A gobetgo.com ( 0 )
4.2 nitrogensports.eu ( 9 )
4.0 bitcoinlivebets.com ( 5 )
3.2 directbet.eu ( 5 )
3.0 coindrafts.com ( 2 )
3.0 darkbet.com ( 1 )
2.8 cloudbet.com ( 5 )
2.8 jetwin.com ( 5 )
2.7 casinobitco.in ( 3 )
2.5 betcoinsports.com ( 5 )
1.0 bitcoinsports.eu ( 2 )
N/A webetcoins.com ( 0 )
N/A gobetgo.com ( 0 )
April 29, 2014, 12:18:28 PM
DirectBet- You are defeating the purpose of this thread. BitcoinzRulez is a respected poster that plays at the books. If he has a problem or dislike with a book, his opinion holds weight. We need experiences from all posters in this thread. We have questions for books in this thread. That's the purpose of the thread. Start new threads for personal squabbles.
April 29, 2014, 12:08:20 PM
DirectBet- You stated it took one slow pay to decrease Betcoin's rating. KGambler had problems getting paid by Betcoinsports. They accused him of bonus abuse. Betcoin promised me player logs for a few weeks and never produced the logs. Kgambler took it to the forums and the posters here got KGambler paid. That was the first problem and they weren't downgraded. They then slow paid a poster and were downgraded.
You are being untruthful in the amount of time that your banner was up but I'm not going to clutter up this thread defending false accusations. If you must, start a new thread and title it peepsplace ratings are pay for rating or whatever else you would like. A title will get you more visibility.
You are the only book that would stoop this low. No other book would pull this type of tactic. Let the posters tear into books or how the ratings are done. It's appreciated that books post in this thread to answer questions since it's easier for all to look in one thread. The books have been asked to do this as I will PM the book on occasion if a poster asks a question. The intent wasn't for a book to rip into another book.
You are being untruthful in the amount of time that your banner was up but I'm not going to clutter up this thread defending false accusations. If you must, start a new thread and title it peepsplace ratings are pay for rating or whatever else you would like. A title will get you more visibility.
You are the only book that would stoop this low. No other book would pull this type of tactic. Let the posters tear into books or how the ratings are done. It's appreciated that books post in this thread to answer questions since it's easier for all to look in one thread. The books have been asked to do this as I will PM the book on occasion if a poster asks a question. The intent wasn't for a book to rip into another book.
April 29, 2014, 09:28:59 AM
Dear Peepsplace,
I stated on the first post I have posted here on your thread that as Anonibet we do not want to make any comment or post anything. Unless a question was directly asked to us, we do not interfere in your discussions. As we said before, we prefer the thread being used by player for players.
Please do NOT DEFEND OR MENTION ANONIBET in any of your post. If you wish you can delete us from your rating list. We do not want to be part of a discussion with any bookmaker. We have been present since 2011, and this is the best response we can give to anyone.
I stated on the first post I have posted here on your thread that as Anonibet we do not want to make any comment or post anything. Unless a question was directly asked to us, we do not interfere in your discussions. As we said before, we prefer the thread being used by player for players.
Please do NOT DEFEND OR MENTION ANONIBET in any of your post. If you wish you can delete us from your rating list. We do not want to be part of a discussion with any bookmaker. We have been present since 2011, and this is the best response we can give to anyone.
WOW! I mean this thread is for discussions on all aspects of bitcoin books. you're bound to be mentioned by players and peeps. If peeps has played there he has a point of view relevant to discussions here, as we all do who have played on your site.
I don't know what the hell is going on in your joint, but the past week you haven't done much right and your site is quickly falling behind the bitcoin curve. you may have been the first, but like the iphone, the field has caught up and rapidly surpassed you. you need to improve both your site and your stance on customer service VERY quickly.
You misunderstand my post. Peeps place is being accused by other bookies of defending Anonibet. Therefor I want to make it clear he does not need to defend Anonibet or praise Anonibet to our competitors. Players can post their experience with Anonibet, positive or negative.
April 29, 2014, 09:24:04 AM
Dear Peepsplace,
I stated on the first post I have posted here on your thread that as Anonibet we do not want to make any comment or post anything. Unless a question was directly asked to us, we do not interfere in your discussions. As we said before, we prefer the thread being used by player for players.
Please do NOT DEFEND OR MENTION ANONIBET in any of your post. If you wish you can delete us from your rating list. We do not want to be part of a discussion with any bookmaker. We have been present since 2011, and this is the best response we can give to anyone.
I stated on the first post I have posted here on your thread that as Anonibet we do not want to make any comment or post anything. Unless a question was directly asked to us, we do not interfere in your discussions. As we said before, we prefer the thread being used by player for players.
Please do NOT DEFEND OR MENTION ANONIBET in any of your post. If you wish you can delete us from your rating list. We do not want to be part of a discussion with any bookmaker. We have been present since 2011, and this is the best response we can give to anyone.
WOW! I mean this thread is for discussions on all aspects of bitcoin books. you're bound to be mentioned by players and peeps. If peeps has played there he has a point of view relevant to discussions here, as we all do who have played on your site.
I don't know what the hell is going on in your joint, but the past week you haven't done much right and your site is quickly falling behind the bitcoin curve. you may have been the first, but like the iphone, the field has caught up and rapidly surpassed you. you need to improve both your site and your stance on customer service VERY quickly.
April 29, 2014, 07:29:15 AM
Dear Peepsplace,
I stated on the first post I have posted here on your thread that as Anonibet we do not want to make any comment or post anything. Unless a question was directly asked to us, we do not interfere in your discussions. As we said before, we prefer the thread being used by player for players.
Please do NOT DEFEND OR MENTION ANONIBET in any of your post. If you wish you can delete us from your rating list. We do not want to be part of a discussion with any bookmaker. We have been present since 2011, and this is the best response we can give to anyone.
I stated on the first post I have posted here on your thread that as Anonibet we do not want to make any comment or post anything. Unless a question was directly asked to us, we do not interfere in your discussions. As we said before, we prefer the thread being used by player for players.
Please do NOT DEFEND OR MENTION ANONIBET in any of your post. If you wish you can delete us from your rating list. We do not want to be part of a discussion with any bookmaker. We have been present since 2011, and this is the best response we can give to anyone.
April 29, 2014, 07:14:29 AM
Please find my comments below :
We never paid to advertise on your website. You put our ad there for a couple of days using your affiliate link, but then removed it as you preferred books that paid up front for it, such as Anonibet.
My point is that if you are rating books and some of them pay you to advertise, you should disclose that in your opening post.
It took one slow pay from Betcoinsports and you instantly reduced their rating.
On the other hand, there have been several reports here during the past few days on Anonibet retroactively canceling bets, delaying withdrawals, limiting bet sizes and bet selections and various other negative feedback. Players are saying they will never bet there again, but their rating remains a firm A, on top of all other sportbooks.
You keep saying that the ratings here is "By the players for the players", but when it comes to Anonibet, you keep ignoring all the negative feedback on them, and there wasn't a single post here suggesting they are the best.
That's why I suggested that you disclose your relationship with Anonibet and whether this ratings is an advertising vehicle for them.
The 3 Bitcoin sportbooks that advertise on your website happen to be the top 3 rated books in your ratings list.
Our odds are as good or better than Anonibet, your top rated Bitcoin sportsbook.
Why are you discrediting us for earning the same kind of profit your top rated sportsbook does ?
The bet that you are referring to was not available in any of your top rated sportbooks, and so we should be getting credit for offering a bet that others do not.
This bet was placed in-play on the favorite. During in-play, the odds on the favorite may drift quickly. For this reason, we specifically recommend in the bet ordering page that you use the "Flexible Odds" option, as otherwise you risk a rejection.
Unfortunately, you selected the "Firm Odds" option, and by the time your bet transfer was received, the odds were reduced significantly, and as a result your bet was rejected and refunded. Had you used the "Flexible Odds" option, your bet would have confirmed. That's a standard practice, no other sportsbook will confirm your bet at odds that are much higher than they should be.
In response to users feedback, we changed that yesterday. We are now refunding bets after just 1 confirmation.
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It's interesting that you bring this up as your banner was once up there but we took it down even though you offer the highest affiliate percentage.
We never paid to advertise on your website. You put our ad there for a couple of days using your affiliate link, but then removed it as you preferred books that paid up front for it, such as Anonibet.
My point is that if you are rating books and some of them pay you to advertise, you should disclose that in your opening post.
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Normally, a poster would bring this up if he felt the ratings were skewed. You're the first book that I've seen do this.
It took one slow pay from Betcoinsports and you instantly reduced their rating.
On the other hand, there have been several reports here during the past few days on Anonibet retroactively canceling bets, delaying withdrawals, limiting bet sizes and bet selections and various other negative feedback. Players are saying they will never bet there again, but their rating remains a firm A, on top of all other sportbooks.
You keep saying that the ratings here is "By the players for the players", but when it comes to Anonibet, you keep ignoring all the negative feedback on them, and there wasn't a single post here suggesting they are the best.
That's why I suggested that you disclose your relationship with Anonibet and whether this ratings is an advertising vehicle for them.
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DirectBet - If I tailor the ratings towards books with banners, then why is NitrogenSports a "B+"?
The 3 Bitcoin sportbooks that advertise on your website happen to be the top 3 rated books in your ratings list.
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Hold is very high.
Our odds are as good or better than Anonibet, your top rated Bitcoin sportsbook.
Why are you discrediting us for earning the same kind of profit your top rated sportsbook does ?
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My bets are getting rejected.
The bet that you are referring to was not available in any of your top rated sportbooks, and so we should be getting credit for offering a bet that others do not.
This bet was placed in-play on the favorite. During in-play, the odds on the favorite may drift quickly. For this reason, we specifically recommend in the bet ordering page that you use the "Flexible Odds" option, as otherwise you risk a rejection.
Unfortunately, you selected the "Firm Odds" option, and by the time your bet transfer was received, the odds were reduced significantly, and as a result your bet was rejected and refunded. Had you used the "Flexible Odds" option, your bet would have confirmed. That's a standard practice, no other sportsbook will confirm your bet at odds that are much higher than they should be.
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Then I had to wait for a few confirmations before the money was sent back.
In response to users feedback, we changed that yesterday. We are now refunding bets after just 1 confirmation.
April 29, 2014, 05:09:49 AM
Peeps Place - [to DirectBet] " We thought that your book was strong at one time but DirectBet has gotten worse. If you want, I can go into detail. Normally, a poster would bring this up if he felt the ratings were skewed. You're the first book that I've seen do this.
I've found the DirectBet technology and cs fine (although cs is not 24/7, but this is true of most or all btc books)
My problems with them are the problems I have with all the btc books to a greater or lesser extent - poor odds; sometimes only offering moneyline but not spread for a game or sport; slow to offer odds on some sports/events - although overall a better range of sports than some of the other highly rated books; etc.
(Again, I have these issue with all btc books to varying degrees).
What are the problems with DirectBet you refer to?
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Hold is very high. It's not an exaggeration to see a line of -420/+180. The live lines aren't what they were at the beginning. While they keep lines up at all times, I've never been able to get a bet confirmed until the commercial breaks. My bets are getting rejected. If the bets are only going to be accepted at stoppages in play, the odds are much better at other books.
They still have the 7.8 BTC limit which is nice. The Olympic betting was great and I made a lot of bets there. Yesterday I tried to get hoops action in and was never successful. I would send DirectBet BTCs and the bet would say "pending". Some time after that it would say, "rejected". Then I had to wait for a few confirmations before the money was sent back.
April 29, 2014, 05:01:46 AM
Peeps Place - [to DirectBet] " We thought that your book was strong at one time but DirectBet has gotten worse. If you want, I can go into detail. Normally, a poster would bring this up if he felt the ratings were skewed. You're the first book that I've seen do this.
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I've found the DirectBet technology and cs fine (although cs is not 24/7, but this is true of most or all btc books)
My problems with them are the problems I have with all the btc books to a greater or lesser extent - poor odds; sometimes only offering moneyline but not spread for a game or sport; slow to offer odds on some sports/events - although overall a better range of sports than some of the other highly rated books; etc.
(Again, I have these issues with all btc books to varying degrees).
What are the problems with DirectBet you refer to?
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I've found the DirectBet technology and cs fine (although cs is not 24/7, but this is true of most or all btc books)
My problems with them are the problems I have with all the btc books to a greater or lesser extent - poor odds; sometimes only offering moneyline but not spread for a game or sport; slow to offer odds on some sports/events - although overall a better range of sports than some of the other highly rated books; etc.
(Again, I have these issues with all btc books to varying degrees).
What are the problems with DirectBet you refer to?
April 29, 2014, 03:47:36 AM
Keep up the good work Peeps Place!
All other Sportsbooks Ratings threads are pointless!!!
Thanks - It's only as good as the poster's input. All other Sportsbooks Ratings threads are pointless!!!
April 29, 2014, 03:37:10 AM
I also think anonibet should honor the soccer wager that played on neutral ground. Its fairly ridiculous they wouldn't. also of the 3 books i've tried this week (anonibet, cloud, nitrogen), anonibet was BY FAR the worst. they had the lowest caps, the most counter intuitive web setup, the fewest number of bettable selections, the worst odds, and a complete and utter system glitch which prevented me from betting anything at all.
1 -- lowest caps. i think the max i could bet on any sport at any time was right around 4 BTC, and most were capped around 2 BTC.
2 -- their website is terrible. its like something out of 2003. you cant just click to see your wagers. you have to click history, then open bets, then the type of bet. 3 clicks just to see what you've got bitcoins on? if you want to see past wagers you have to add a click for your date range and its just as complicated to see your cashier history.
3 -- sports are limited and selections within those sports are also more limited than the other books. i would say half the sports and then half the selections within those sports.
4 -- i mean their odds are obviously terrible on average, but the one that really stuck out for me was the NBA. indy game prop was paul george o/u 22.5 on both sides was -118. seems steep to take almost 20%. a prop like that where both sides are even should probably be -110 at worst and maybe -107. houston/portland game tonight you cant even bet with the spread. you have to take the ML or nothing. just weird.
5 -- yesterday i tried placing several bets and got a popup error for all of them saying max bet was 7.17 mbtc. sure, $3, why not. who would bother making a bet for $3? i basically cant even bet there any more because of how awful it is.
if it were me, i would grade this book no higher than a D+ with a minor bump based on how long they've been in business plus a bump if they can prove liquidity (address of cold storage wallet with like 1000 BTC or something). frankly, unless they rewrote their whole system or hired me as a consultant i would NEVER go back. not sure why anonibet is so popular.
1 -- lowest caps. i think the max i could bet on any sport at any time was right around 4 BTC, and most were capped around 2 BTC.
2 -- their website is terrible. its like something out of 2003. you cant just click to see your wagers. you have to click history, then open bets, then the type of bet. 3 clicks just to see what you've got bitcoins on? if you want to see past wagers you have to add a click for your date range and its just as complicated to see your cashier history.
3 -- sports are limited and selections within those sports are also more limited than the other books. i would say half the sports and then half the selections within those sports.
4 -- i mean their odds are obviously terrible on average, but the one that really stuck out for me was the NBA. indy game prop was paul george o/u 22.5 on both sides was -118. seems steep to take almost 20%. a prop like that where both sides are even should probably be -110 at worst and maybe -107. houston/portland game tonight you cant even bet with the spread. you have to take the ML or nothing. just weird.
5 -- yesterday i tried placing several bets and got a popup error for all of them saying max bet was 7.17 mbtc. sure, $3, why not. who would bother making a bet for $3? i basically cant even bet there any more because of how awful it is.
if it were me, i would grade this book no higher than a D+ with a minor bump based on how long they've been in business plus a bump if they can prove liquidity (address of cold storage wallet with like 1000 BTC or something). frankly, unless they rewrote their whole system or hired me as a consultant i would NEVER go back. not sure why anonibet is so popular.
Peeps Place is doing a good job in helping players avoid scams, but when it comes to rating legitimate books, it should be disclosed that :
1. The ratings criteria have recently tailored so that only Anonibet can get an A rating.
2. Anonibet is paying Peeps Place for advertising them, as you can see here : http://www.peepsplace.com/
April 29, 2014, 03:12:40 AM
Keep up the good work Peeps Place!
All other Sportsbooks Ratings threads are pointless!!!
All other Sportsbooks Ratings threads are pointless!!!
April 29, 2014, 01:57:04 AM
Is anyone familiar with OddsMatrix http://everymatrix.com/oddsmatrix ? Gobetgo has the same license number in Curacao. I'm not 100% sure of the relationship.
We are not using Everymatrix software or license. Our platform is done by Ultraplay and our betting services are done by Betting Promotion.
April 28, 2014, 02:56:02 PM
Just waiting on more confirmation from bitcoinlivebets and they have added a few options to icehockey without myself even placing any bets yet!
Great news, and a good way to entice players to join. If they don't have it theyll add it.
Great news, and a good way to entice players to join. If they don't have it theyll add it.
April 28, 2014, 02:35:52 PM
Is anyone familiar with OddsMatrix http://everymatrix.com/oddsmatrix ? Gobetgo has the same license number in Curacao. I'm not 100% sure of the relationship.
April 28, 2014, 02:22:23 AM
Poster write ups on the books have been great. Please post more experiences.
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