#1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated. - page 46.

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Quote from: Rating Place on March 25, 2014, 01:50:33 PM

Jetwin - You have taken preemptive measures to prevent bonus abuse which is understandable. In the case of cash post up books, the book will boot a person that they feel is making steam plays or a sharp. With bitcoins this is much tougher to do when a person remains anonymous. If you feel that a person is making steam plays, will you confiscate winnings or ban the account and pay the player?

Steam plays are somewhat open to interpretation. If you boot a player it's your own interpretation. If you confiscate winnings of your interpretation it's a dangerous precedent that you are setting.

Our odds monitoring system and trading tools have proven their efficiency – we are moving our odds fast and it is very difficult to find arbitrage situations; therefore, I doubt that our website is an arbitrager’s attraction.
A player does on a website only that he is allowed to do by a bookmaker, and the bookmaker is fully responsible for the result of how his website is used, thus, if we accept bet, provide bonus and allow any other action we will fulfil all the obligations from our part (pay out winnings, bonuses etc.)
Of course, no confiscation of winnings will be made, it is merely information published on the website in order to maximally diminish fraud attempts.

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Quote from: Gogo ppp on March 25, 2014, 05:21:22 PM

Quote from: Legions36 on March 25, 2014, 02:59:54 PM

Peeps u shouldn't put Bitbook in the same category as F rated books it gives off the wrong signal to people. They are paying people not screwing them. What if down the road they ever decide that they want back in then people will remember that they were in the same category as a stiff book. Separate category would be better for these things, they deserve much better than that. Just my thoughts when I look at the rating sheet.

Bitbook.biz paid depositors for 48 hours, and are now incommunicado.

There are depositors who weren't aware of the close down during that 48 hours and are now - unsuccessfully - trying to reach bitbook.biz:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cant-access-my-bitbookbiz-balance-need-to-withdraw-because-of-shutdown-523426

They've been trying to reach Bitbook.biz for 5 days now.
And of course there have to be others who are not aware of this forum and/or this thread in the same situation.

So this book does deserve an F.
Out of the blue announcing "We're closing down, submit your withdrawal request" is the right way to do it.
Disappearing after 48 hours and disabling/not responding to depositors who still have funds there is not the right way to do it.

I was totally unaware of this as I thought they have paid everyone out.

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Quote from: Legions36 on March 25, 2014, 02:59:54 PM

Peeps u shouldn't put Bitbook in the same category as F rated books it gives off the wrong signal to people. They are paying people not screwing them. What if down the road they ever decide that they want back in then people will remember that they were in the same category as a stiff book. Separate category would be better for these things, they deserve much better than that. Just my thoughts when I look at the rating sheet.

Bitbook.biz paid depositors for 48 hours, and are now incommunicado.

There are depositors who weren't aware of the close down during that 48 hours and are now - unsuccessfully - trying to reach bitbook.biz:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cant-access-my-bitbookbiz-balance-need-to-withdraw-because-of-shutdown-523426

They've been trying to reach Bitbook.biz for 5 days now.
And of course there have to be others who are not aware of this forum and/or this thread in the same situation.

So this book does deserve an F.
Out of the blue announcing "We're closing down, submit your withdrawal request" is the right way to do it.
Disappearing after 48 hours and disabling/not responding to depositors who still have funds there is not the right way to do it.

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"A" rated books
Anonibet A
NitrogenSports A-
Betcoinsports A-

"B"rated books
Casinobitcoin B
Cloudbet B
CoinBet B
DirectBet
SBObitcoin B-

"C" rated books
Bitbm C
BTCSportsmatch C

"D" rated books
Jetwin D+ (in the process of an upgraded rating)
Bitcoinlivebets D-

"F" rated books
Bitcoinsport
Bitsaloon
StakeBTC

NR
Bitbook - They were once rated B+. They have closed down and are in the process of paying all players.

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Quote from: Legions36 on March 25, 2014, 02:59:54 PM

Peeps u shouldn't put Bitbook in the same category as F rated books it gives off the wrong signal to people. They are paying people not screwing them. What if down the road they ever decide that they want back in then people will remember that they were in the same category as a stiff book. Separate category would be better for these things, they deserve much better than that. Just my thoughts when I look at the rating sheet.

Great idea. I'll set up a separate category.

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Peeps u shouldn't put Bitbook in the same category as F rated books it gives off the wrong signal to people. They are paying people not screwing them. What if down the road they ever decide that they want back in then people will remember that they were in the same category as a stiff book. Separate category would be better for these things, they deserve much better than that. Just my thoughts when I look at the rating sheet.

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Jetwin - You have taken preemptive measures to prevent bonus abuse which is understandable. In the case of cash post up books, the book will boot a person that they feel is making steam plays or a sharp. With bitcoins this is much tougher to do when a person remains anonymous. If you feel that a person is making steam plays, will you confiscate winnings or ban the account and pay the player?

Steam plays are somewhat open to interpretation. If you boot a player it's your own interpretation. If you confiscate winnings of your interpretation it's a dangerous precedent that you are setting.

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Thanks for checking in Jetwin.

Would anyone else like to contribute thoughts before a change in rating is made on Jetwin?

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Quote from: Rating Place on March 25, 2014, 02:09:21 AM

Quote from: goxcraft on March 24, 2014, 12:59:49 AM

Quote from: Rating Place on March 23, 2014, 05:01:08 PM

Is anyone playing at Jetwin?

I am regularly playing at jetwin. Together with nitrogen they are my favorite books. Payouts are faster at nitrogen, but jetwin has some markets I can’t find anywhere else.

I wish that Jetwin would make some changes to their rules. This was my original problem with Jetwin. They stated that they would change the anonymity rule but they haven't as of yet.

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Should disputes arise in all matters relating to the awarding of the bonus and/or the Terms and Conditions in the Promotion, the final decision shall lies with JETWIN. The decision made will be binding and shall not be subject to review or appeal by any customer or third party.

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JETWIN further reserves the exclusive right, exercisable in its sole discretion, to modify, alter, discontinue, cancel and/or void this promotion at any time without any notice.

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JETWIN reserves the right to ask any customer to provide sufficient documentation for us to be satisfied in our absolute discretion as to the customer's identity prior to us crediting any bonus to his account.

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Where any term of the offers or promotions have not been fulfilled by eligible account holders; are breached; are abused; or there is any evidence of a series of bets placed by a customer or group of customers irrespective of the outcome; or there is collusion in any other forms; or from the usage of multiple accounts; which due to a promotion bonus or any other promotional offer resulted in customer's profits, whether individually or as part of a group; JETWIN reserves the right to withhold, cancel or reclaim the bonus plus all winnings and to levy a charge on the customer's or customers' accounts up to the value of the deposit bonus to cover administrative costs. As a punitive deterrent and preceding to the deduction of such bonus or bonus plus winnings and administrative cost, the remaining balance in any or all accounts will be subjected to a 100% turnover respectively, before any withdrawal is allowed.

Anonymous accounts will become available during this week. All the above mentioned rules won't be applied to these accounts; however, they will have certain limitations: anonymous accounts won't be eligible for any bonus and they will have lower limits as compared to full accounts.

We were planning to implement anonymous accounts related functionality earlier, but we spent more time than expected to improve the existing functionality: to extend offer of new types of bets and to optimize the code for better system operation under load, which is always top priority for us (you won’t find any complain concerning deposit/withdrawal delays, slow or incorrect bet processing, discrepancy between posted and implemented on the website rules).

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Quote from: goxcraft on March 24, 2014, 12:59:49 AM

Quote from: Rating Place on March 23, 2014, 05:01:08 PM

Is anyone playing at Jetwin?

I am regularly playing at jetwin. Together with nitrogen they are my favorite books. Payouts are faster at nitrogen, but jetwin has some markets I can’t find anywhere else.

I wish that Jetwin would make some changes to their rules. This was my original problem with Jetwin. They stated that they would change the anonymity rule but they haven't as of yet.

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Should disputes arise in all matters relating to the awarding of the bonus and/or the Terms and Conditions in the Promotion, the final decision shall lies with JETWIN. The decision made will be binding and shall not be subject to review or appeal by any customer or third party.

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JETWIN further reserves the exclusive right, exercisable in its sole discretion, to modify, alter, discontinue, cancel and/or void this promotion at any time without any notice.

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JETWIN reserves the right to ask any customer to provide sufficient documentation for us to be satisfied in our absolute discretion as to the customer's identity prior to us crediting any bonus to his account.

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Where any term of the offers or promotions have not been fulfilled by eligible account holders; are breached; are abused; or there is any evidence of a series of bets placed by a customer or group of customers irrespective of the outcome; or there is collusion in any other forms; or from the usage of multiple accounts; which due to a promotion bonus or any other promotional offer resulted in customer's profits, whether individually or as part of a group; JETWIN reserves the right to withhold, cancel or reclaim the bonus plus all winnings and to levy a charge on the customer's or customers' accounts up to the value of the deposit bonus to cover administrative costs. As a punitive deterrent and preceding to the deduction of such bonus or bonus plus winnings and administrative cost, the remaining balance in any or all accounts will be subjected to a 100% turnover respectively, before any withdrawal is allowed.

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Thanks

The site looks really good. There are lots of offers on the NBA including quarters and halves. Why no handicap full game for the Hou/Char NBA game?

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Quote from: Rating Place on March 24, 2014, 01:33:15 AM

BetVIP- I signed up with you. Your deposits are instant but how do I get the 100% bonus?

Totals have to go 8.5 or 9 but shouldn't the rules mention games must go 5 innings, 4.5 if the home team is winning.

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Baseball games are official after 9 innings of play or 8.5 innings if the home team is leading.
Abandoned Matches:

All bets will be void (no action) on matches that are abandoned before the full nine innings have been completed (eight if the home team is winning)

NHL games go 60 minutes, not 70.

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Hockey

All bets are determined at the end of a scheduled 70 minutes play unless otherwise stated. This does not include extra time or time allocated for a penalty stroke shootout.

What's with 48 hours? Never heard of this except in playoff events.

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If an event is suspended, abandoned or postponed more than 48 hours after the scheduled commencement time, then all bets on that event shall be void

I've never seen this before for the NFL.

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All bets will be void (no action) on matches that are postponed unless the game is played within the same NFL weekly schedule (Thursday – Wednesday)

Hi Peeps,

The bonus has been credited to your account - enjoy! Goxcraft and a couple others I have spoken to on this forum are playing with us,

Kind regards,
BetVIP Support

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BetVIP- I signed up with you. Your deposits are instant but how do I get the 100% bonus?

Totals have to go 8.5 or 9 but shouldn't the rules mention games must go 5 innings, 4.5 if the home team is winning.

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Baseball games are official after 9 innings of play or 8.5 innings if the home team is leading.
Abandoned Matches:

All bets will be void (no action) on matches that are abandoned before the full nine innings have been completed (eight if the home team is winning)

NHL games go 60 minutes, not 70.

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Hockey

All bets are determined at the end of a scheduled 70 minutes play unless otherwise stated. This does not include extra time or time allocated for a penalty stroke shootout.

What's with 48 hours? Never heard of this except in playoff events.

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If an event is suspended, abandoned or postponed more than 48 hours after the scheduled commencement time, then all bets on that event shall be void

I've never seen this before for the NFL.

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All bets will be void (no action) on matches that are postponed unless the game is played within the same NFL weekly schedule (Thursday – Wednesday)

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Is anyone playing at BetVIP?

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Quote from: goxcraft on March 24, 2014, 12:59:49 AM

Quote from: Rating Place on March 23, 2014, 05:01:08 PM

Is anyone playing at Jetwin?

I am regularly playing at jetwin. Together with nitrogen they are my favorite books. Payouts are faster at nitrogen, but jetwin has some markets I can’t find anywhere else.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Quote from: Rating Place on March 23, 2014, 05:01:08 PM

Is anyone playing at Jetwin?

I am regularly playing at jetwin. Together with nitrogen they are my favorite books. Payouts are faster at nitrogen, but jetwin has some markets I can’t find anywhere else.

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Quote from: Rating Place on March 23, 2014, 07:11:22 PM

I forgot, BetVIP has a 100% bonus with a 3x roll. That has trouble written all over it.

Hi Peeps Place,

It has just been a launch promotion

We will be moving to a more regular bonus model in the future,

Kind regards,
BetVIP Support

DirectBet

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Quote from: alabamafan1 on March 23, 2014, 06:53:01 PM

Any books offering 100% bonus? If so, what is the rollover?

We offer the most rewarding VIP program in the industry where you get 1% of your bets stake back.

Currently the max is 1 BTC every month, but it will be increased significantly starting next month.

It's better than a bonus because you don't have to deposit and lock up your Bitcoins and it's not a one time reward.

It's also very simple. Check it out : http://www.directbet.eu/VIP.cshtml

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I forgot, BetVIP has a 100% bonus with a 3x roll. That has trouble written all over it.

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Quote from: alabamafan1 on March 23, 2014, 06:53:01 PM

Any books offering 100% bonus? If so, what is the rollover?

I think Cloudbet is the only one even though it's released slowly. Are you still having problems with Cloudbet or is everything fine now?

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