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Quote from: Pmalek on September 09, 2023, 03:41:49 AM

Quote from: Rating Place on September 09, 2023, 01:59:33 AM

The only thing going against them is not having a signature campaign here at bitcointalk until recently.

Having or not having a signature campaign on Bitcointalk is certainly not a factor I consider. In fact, I think there are many casinos on my list that never had one if I am not mistaken.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 09, 2023, 01:59:33 AM

Stake and Sportsbet have all kinds of accusations against them. Why does that get overlooked? I’m not saying all are legitimate.

I used the word 'valid' in my previous reply, which means more or less as your term legitimate. I don't consider the existence of a scam accusation without valid proof as a scam. You can be certain that if I find and get involved in a thread in Scam Accusation and side with the accuser that I will remove that casino no matter its name or popularity. I haven't been to the Scam Accusation board in some time, but will check it in the near future.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 09, 2023, 01:59:33 AM

Look at scam accusations. There’s nothing against Nitrobetting in all of 2022 and 2023 as far as I know.

I think we had this conversation already. I don't think many people on this forum use Nitrobetting nearly as much as Stake or Sportsbet, hence the missing accusations. It's also possible that Nitrobetting has changed or are changing from their dubious past.

My only contention is that there are no valid reasons for the omission of Nitrobetting. I try to keep an eye on all accusations and will inquire if unsure. You say dubious past. What dubious past do you mean? Nitrobetting currently has 734 players in their free Survivior Contest https://nitrobetting.eu/contests/ and Stake has 1185 in their free Survivor Contest https://fantasy.espn.com/games/nfl-eliminator-challenge-2023/groups. They are the exact same contest. The only difference is that Stake goes through ESPN while Nitrobetting wrote their own software. Nitrobetting isn't an unknown book. It’s your thread and I think it’s very valuable. It’s ultimately your decision on books that you publish.

edit- Last scam accusation against Nitrobetting or Nitrogensports was Oct. 16, 2022 for 25mBTC https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nitrobettingeu-scamming-me-for-25-mbtc-5417337 The one before that was July 12, 2022 against Nitrogen Sports for an affiliate complaint https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nitrogensports-nitrobetting-are-scamming-beware-5405525

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Quote from: Rating Place on September 09, 2023, 01:59:33 AM

The only thing going against them is not having a signature campaign here at bitcointalk until recently.

Having or not having a signature campaign on Bitcointalk is certainly not a factor I consider. In fact, I think there are many casinos on my list that never had one if I am not mistaken.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 09, 2023, 01:59:33 AM

Stake and Sportsbet have all kinds of accusations against them. Why does that get overlooked? I’m not saying all are legitimate.

I used the word 'valid' in my previous reply, which means more or less as your term legitimate. I don't consider the existence of a scam accusation without valid proof as a scam. You can be certain that if I find and get involved in a thread in Scam Accusation and side with the accuser that I will remove that casino no matter its name or popularity. I haven't been to the Scam Accusation board in some time, but will check it in the near future.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 09, 2023, 01:59:33 AM

Look at scam accusations. There’s nothing against Nitrobetting in all of 2022 and 2023 as far as I know.

I think we had this conversation already. I don't think many people on this forum use Nitrobetting nearly as much as Stake or Sportsbet, hence the missing accusations. It's also possible that Nitrobetting has changed or are changing from their dubious past.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 09, 2023, 01:28:45 AM

Quote from: Rating Place on September 08, 2023, 01:36:06 PM

Is there a reason you didn't mention Nitrobetting?

My Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos thread doesn't include negatively-tagged casinos and those with valid scam accusations against their name. I have removed a few sites from the table because of scamming Bitcointalk users after checking those cases. Nitrobetting is connected to NitrogenSports in some capacity or the other, and NitrogenSports doesn't have a good reputation on this forum. That's why I won't make them a part of my collection.

Nitrobetting has a great reputation everywhere you look. There are no legitimate claims against them. The only thing going against them is not having a signature campaign here at bitcointalk until recently. All other guides have them 1 or 2.

Stake and Sportsbet have all kinds of accusations against them. Why does that get overlooked? I’m not saying all are legitimate. Many times it can be disgruntled players. But there are way more accusations against those two. Look at scam accusations. There’s nothing against Nitrobetting in all of 2022 and 2023 as far as I know. I do check scam accusations frequently and may have missed something. The same can’t be said about the others on your list. There are many accusations.

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Quote from: Rating Place on September 08, 2023, 01:36:06 PM

Is there a reason you didn't mention Nitrobetting?

My Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos thread doesn't include negatively-tagged casinos and those with valid scam accusations against their name. I have removed a few sites from the table because of scamming Bitcointalk users after checking those cases. Nitrobetting is connected to NitrogenSports in some capacity or the other, and NitrogenSports doesn't have a good reputation on this forum. That's why I won't make them a part of my collection.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 08, 2023, 01:21:17 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on September 08, 2023, 11:21:42 AM

Betcoin has two books, Betcoin and Gamebetr.

This is the first time I hear about Gamebetr. Don't you mean Playbetr? Playbetr used to have their own site but merged with Betcoin some time ago. I remember it from my withdrawal fees thread. Betcoin uses the betcoin.ag domain, while Playbetr got redirected to new.betcoin.ag. Even if you try to access playbetr.com noew, it will redirect you to the new Betcoin domain.

Playbetr was the sister book of Betcoin that has closed. They sponsored Paris Saint-Germain for 3 years. Gamebetr is the legacy version of Betcoin. It's simple to use and generic. Betcoin is now the modern version with different lines and limits.

On the far left column, you can toggle back and forth between the two.

Is there a reason you didn't mention Nitrobetting? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/table-withdrawal-fees-and-withdrawal-amounts-on-crypto-casinos-5333602 They now have free payouts. https://nitrobetting.eu/promotions/

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Quote from: Rating Place on September 08, 2023, 11:21:42 AM

Betcoin has two books, Betcoin and Gamebetr.

This is the first time I hear about Gamebetr. Don't you mean Playbetr? Playbetr used to have their own site but merged with Betcoin some time ago. I remember it from my withdrawal fees thread. Betcoin uses the betcoin.ag domain, while Playbetr got redirected to new.betcoin.ag. Even if you try to access playbetr.com noew, it will redirect you to the new Betcoin domain.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 08, 2023, 10:47:28 AM

Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 12:56:49 PM

Nitrobetting has a sports bonus and nice loss backs in the NFL up to 15%.

Most popular sportsbooks have their own variant of cashback for losses suffered in a given period. Usually for the week that has passed. Some even have cashback and count all money wagered, not just the losing bets. But I don't know which ones do that.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 12:56:49 PM

Betcoin has 2 lines and boosts. You can get more than 1 boost.

What do you mean with 2 lines, what does that mean? How many bet boosts per sport and per day are we talking about?

In the Betcoin book in the green it says boosted odds. There are only a couple a day. Today UEFA and US Open. Even with boosted odds at Sportsbet there are regular odds at Nitrobetting with a smaller margin. In some markets at Nitrobetting the margins are very small. This is why it's best to throw boosted odds out since they may have a higher margin than regular odds elsewhere.

Betcoin has two books, Betcoin and Gamebetr. It's easiest to post images to see what I'm talking about. The lines and limits are different at each one because they use different odds providers. Nitrobetting margins can even get tighter closer to game time.

One nice thing about all three that others don't have is horse racing. Nitrobetting and Betcoin also have harness and greyhound. You can also see by the images that the margins at Sportsbet are greater than those at the other two books in the NFL. KYC is non-existent at both Nitrobetting and Betcoin if not using a VPN. When you look at everything that's considered in this post, imo it justifies the ratings.

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Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 12:56:49 PM

Nitrobetting has a sports bonus and nice loss backs in the NFL up to 15%.

Most popular sportsbooks have their own variant of cashback for losses suffered in a given period. Usually for the week that has passed. Some even have cashback and count all money wagered, not just the losing bets. But I don't know which ones do that.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 12:56:49 PM

Betcoin has 2 lines and boosts. You can get more than 1 boost.

What do you mean with 2 lines, what does that mean? How many bet boosts per sport and per day are we talking about?

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 07, 2023, 12:47:36 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 12:29:14 PM

Other books have price boosts too such as Betcoin. I don't count those for any of the books since the amounts of plays and wagers are limited.

I think it should still be counted regardless of how many matches you can apply the boosts for. But yes, you are right regarding the limitations. Sportsbet considers its price boosts as promotions/bonuses. You can only use one bet boost per sport in a 24-hour period. Maybe this changes depending on the Clubhouse level you are at. LFC_Bitcoin can correct me if I am wrong.

I think that complicates things. Nitrobetting has a sports bonus and nice loss backs in the NFL up to 15%. Betcoin has 2 lines and boosts. You can get more than 1 boost. It seems best to throw all that out when comparing lines.

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Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 12:29:14 PM

Other books have price boosts too such as Betcoin. I don't count those for any of the books since the amounts of plays and wagers are limited.

I think it should still be counted regardless of how many matches you can apply the boosts for. But yes, you are right regarding the limitations. Sportsbet considers its price boosts as promotions/bonuses. You can only use one bet boost per sport in a 24-hour period. Maybe this changes depending on the Clubhouse level you are at. LFC_Bitcoin can correct me if I am wrong.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 07, 2023, 12:26:49 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 12:19:17 PM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 07, 2023, 12:11:12 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 11:54:05 AM

The thing with Nitrobetting is that you will find the best line of all books at times.

The same can be said about Sportsbet.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 11:54:05 AM

Nitrobetting KC -4.5, 1.91
Sportbet KC -4.5, ~~1.90~~ 1.96
Betcoin KC -4.5 1.89

Code:

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/american-football/usa/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs-v-detroit-lions-645cfe42291954515b56dc92

This is not an "attack” Peeps, it's showing transparency dude.

It's 1.90

https://ibb.co/b5NZR0j

What are you guys using to post images? BCT no longer take imgur

Again, you're wrong.

Other books have price boosts too such as Betcoin. I don't count those for any of the books since the amounts of plays and wagers are limited.

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Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 12:19:17 PM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 07, 2023, 12:11:12 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 11:54:05 AM

The thing with Nitrobetting is that you will find the best line of all books at times.

The same can be said about Sportsbet.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 11:54:05 AM

Nitrobetting KC -4.5, 1.91
Sportbet KC -4.5, ~~1.90~~ 1.96
Betcoin KC -4.5 1.89

Code:

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/american-football/usa/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs-v-detroit-lions-645cfe42291954515b56dc92

This is not an "attack” Peeps, it's showing transparency dude.

It's 1.90

https://ibb.co/b5NZR0j

What are you guys using to post images? BCT no longer take imgur

Again, you're wrong.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 07, 2023, 12:11:12 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 11:54:05 AM

The thing with Nitrobetting is that you will find the best line of all books at times.

The same can be said about Sportsbet.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 11:54:05 AM

Nitrobetting KC -4.5, 1.91
Sportbet KC -4.5, ~~1.90~~ 1.96
Betcoin KC -4.5 1.89

Code:

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/american-football/usa/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs-v-detroit-lions-645cfe42291954515b56dc92

This is not an "attack” Peeps, it's showing transparency dude.

It's 1.90 at the link you posted, not 1.96.

https://sportsbet.io/sports/american-football/matches/today

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Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 11:54:05 AM

The thing with Nitrobetting is that you will find the best line of all books at times.

The same can be said about Sportsbet.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 07, 2023, 11:54:05 AM

Nitrobetting KC -4.5, 1.91
Sportbet KC -4.5, ~~1.90~~ 1.96
Betcoin KC -4.5 1.89

Code:

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/american-football/usa/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs-v-detroit-lions-645cfe42291954515b56dc92

This is not an "attack” Peeps, it's showing transparency dude.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 07, 2023, 11:39:41 AM

Quote from: Rating Place on September 06, 2023, 11:26:13 AM

Show me one line you consider Sportsbet to be the best line and I’ll show you a book that is better.

It got me thinking, so I am going to find three major sports events and only compare the odds of Nitrobetting versus Sportsbet to see who offers more.

Here we go:

1. France vs Ireland, football - odds for 1, X, 2
Sportsbet - 1.21, 6.40, 14. With price boosts 1.22, 6.78, 14.91
Nitrobetting - 1.22, 5.40, 12

2. Shelton vs Djokovic, tennis
Sportsbet - 9.60, 1.04. With price boosts 10.20, 1.04
Nitrobetting - 9.75, 1.07

3. USA - Germany, basketball - odds for 1 and 2
Sportsbet - 1.16, 5.50. With price boosts 1.17, 5.82
Nitrobetting - 1.17, 4.88

I didn't take any screenshots, so you are just going to have to take my word for it. In all three examples, Sportsbet has slightly lower odds on the favorites. With price boosts, the odds increased to those of Nitrobetting, except for Djokovic were they remained at 1.04 even with a price boost for some reason.

If you are betting on the underdogs, you will get more favorable odds on Sportsbet, particularly if using a bet boost. But the bets on favorites are slightly lower in normal mode. They became the same in 2/3 cases with a booster.

Depends on the market but I'll look at other books in a few minutes that will show the same or better line on all of those. The thing with Nitrobetting is that you will find the best line of all books at times.

NFL tonight
Nitrobetting Detroit +4.5 1.97
Sportbet Detroit +4.5 1.90
Betcoin Detroit +4.5 1.99

Nitrobetting KC -4.5, 1.91
Sportbet KC -4.5, 1.90
Betcoin KC -4.5 1.89

NCAA American Football this weekend is similar to the NFL

Tennis Betcoin Shelton J2. Shelton vs Djokovic, tennis
Sportsbet - 9.60, 1.04. With price boosts 10.20, 1.04
Nitrobetting - 9.75, 1.07
Betcoin - 11, 1.05

France vs Ireland, football - odds for 1, X, 2
Sportsbet - 1.21, 6.40, 14. With price boosts 1.22, 6.78, 14.91
Nitrobetting - 1.22, 5.40, 12
Betcoin - 1.24, 6.60 , 14

USA - Germany, basketball - odds for 1 and 2
Sportsbet - 1.16, 5.50. With price boosts 1.17, 5.82
Nitrobetting - 1.17, 4.88
Betcoin 1.24, 5.60

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Quote from: Rating Place on September 06, 2023, 11:26:13 AM

Show me one line you consider Sportsbet to be the best line and I’ll show you a book that is better.

It got me thinking, so I am going to find three major sports events and only compare the odds of Nitrobetting versus Sportsbet to see who offers more.

Here we go:

1. France vs Ireland, football - odds for 1, X, 2
Sportsbet - 1.21, 6.40, 14. With price boosts 1.22, 6.78, 14.91
Nitrobetting - 1.22, 5.40, 12

2. Shelton vs Djokovic, tennis
Sportsbet - 9.60, 1.04. With price boosts 10.20, 1.04
Nitrobetting - 9.75, 1.07

3. USA - Germany, basketball - odds for 1 and 2
Sportsbet - 1.16, 5.50. With price boosts 1.17, 5.82
Nitrobetting - 1.17, 4.88

I didn't take any screenshots, so you are just going to have to take my word for it. In all three examples, Sportsbet has slightly lower odds on the favorites. With price boosts, the odds increased to those of Nitrobetting, except for Djokovic were they remained at 1.04 even with a price boost for some reason.

If you are betting on the underdogs, you will get more favorable odds on Sportsbet, particularly if using a bet boost. But the bets on favorites are slightly lower in normal mode. They became the same in 2/3 cases with a booster.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 06, 2023, 11:17:08 AM

Quote from: Rating Place on September 06, 2023, 10:52:49 AM

Pmalek - you and buwaytress are sharp gamblers. If either of you see a play that you really like, feel free to post it. One goal of this thread was to make it a one stop shop and adding some plays would be a nice addition.

Hmmmm, you really need to learn to read the room.
I'd be totally shocked if anyone wasted their time posting plays in this thread to be honest.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 06, 2023, 10:30:54 AM

My previous search was in depth. I just took a quick look and didn't see any changes. Since I didn't check all markets, I could be wrong.

You are very wrong.
Maybe your new "search" should include checking "all markets" and not just American Football which fits your narrative dude.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 06, 2023, 10:30:54 AM

In the markets that I play, Nitrobetting is a must.

Thanks for FINALLY admitting to your total bias and lack of due diligence.

You should talk facts. Show me one line you consider Sportsbet to be the best line and I’ll show you a book that is better.

When ralle , buwatress and pmalek make a post it makes me think. When you post it’s an attack with no substance that I breeze over and more or less ignore.

Quote from: STT on September 06, 2023, 10:47:02 AM

I always try to be unique at least, good or bad Tongue

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So is it true only freebitco does this kind of betting, I would have guessed many places. I know it'd be related to population size of bettors to properly balance itself out, Ive bet this system on tiny sites and the odds become massively erratic at times.

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iPhone despite its many flaws (according to me), that's the "best" phone there is out there because that's where people vote with their money.

Point there would be user interface, mobiles need to improve massively still but today they are worlds greatest advancement of computers to the common people. This is probably true of many products, making it available, easily utilized by the average person is maybe the most important point to success.
I dont especially like Apple products but I had to respect they are greatly liked by people who otherwise would not intricately use computers especially. Maybe the same point applies to gambling sites, I want to place a bet in a minute without getting lost in various menus and options; it always seems I would be placing the bet vs time as a factor.

As far as I know only freebitcoin but may be missing some.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

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Quote from: Rating Place on September 06, 2023, 10:52:49 AM

Pmalek - you and buwaytress are sharp gamblers. If either of you see a play that you really like, feel free to post it. One goal of this thread was to make it a one stop shop and adding some plays would be a nice addition.

Hmmmm, you really need to learn to read the room.
I'd be totally shocked if anyone wasted their time posting plays in this thread to be honest.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 06, 2023, 10:30:54 AM

My previous search was in depth. I just took a quick look and didn't see any changes. Since I didn't check all markets, I could be wrong.

You are very wrong.
Maybe your new "search" should include checking "all markets" and not just American Football which fits your narrative dude.

Quote from: Rating Place on September 06, 2023, 10:30:54 AM

In the markets that I play, Nitrobetting is a must.

Thanks for FINALLY admitting to your total bias and lack of due diligence.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 06, 2023, 10:44:42 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on September 06, 2023, 02:37:51 AM

I'm not sure how anyone who pays attention to the actual gambling activity on the forum could miss out on how bad some Stake posters are at posting quality, constructive content that actually contributes to gambling.

That's exactly the point I was making earlier. That's because they weren't picked based on a quality criteria. The manager chose many members who would never be accepted in other campaigns with stricter quality control. The result is nonsense for the most part. There are exceptions, of course.

Quote from: buwaytress on September 06, 2023, 02:37:51 AM

On self-mod threads, I delete a lot of spam and they come from Stake a lot. I get the impression most of them aren't even gamblers and wouldn't know the first thing about advising on a book/casino.

Yeah, they are only there because it's a requirement of their campaign to post in the gambling boards. I am sure that many don't even follow sports at all or the matched they are talking about because their posts show information you can find on any live score app and nothing more.

Real gamblers probably hang around in various prediction pools where you have to pay to gain access. That's where you will find genuine discussions about markets, odds, matched they bet on, etc.

Pmalek - you and buwaytress are sharp gamblers. If either of you see a play that you really like, feel free to post it. Also, you guys aren't selling anything so posting your links now and then is fine. One goal of this thread was to make it a one stop shop and adding some plays would be a nice addition.

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Mutual Betting
freebitco.in

So is it true only freebitco does this kind of betting, I would have guessed many places. I know it'd be related to population size of bettors to properly balance itself out, Ive bet this system on tiny sites and the odds become massively erratic at times.

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iPhone despite its many flaws (according to me), that's the "best" phone there is out there because that's where people vote with their money.

Point there would be user interface, mobiles need to improve massively still but today they are worlds greatest advancement of computers to the common people. This is probably true of many products, making it available, easily utilized by the average person is maybe the most important point to success.
I dont especially like Apple products but I had to respect they are greatly liked by people who otherwise would not intricately use computers especially. Maybe the same point applies to gambling sites, I want to place a bet in a minute without getting lost in various menus and options; it always seems I would be placing the bet vs time as a factor.

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