Topic: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Scam Accus - page 6. (Read 260297 times)

Hello victorwinn, thank you for the inquiry. To clarify Peeps Place's reply, we do not request KYC unless a terms violation is suspected. Please note that we are unable to accept players in Ukraine at this time. If that changes, an announcement will certainly be made.

No KYC is needed if you are not using a VPN. This insures Betcoin that you are not using multiple accounts. There may be a few exceptions but it is very rare.

Thank you for your hard work! I wanted to clarify, does Betcoin require verification?

I'm posting reviews of each sportsbook and comparing them with Sportsbet and Stake along with some information on the books ahead of them. I'm not going to post the same generic information that can be obtained from any rating guide outside of bitcointalk that can just be copied. I'm also not going to consider popularity of a book since that is very different at each place visited. Most of the time it is affected by advertising and signatures. I'll try to post things that are unique about each sportsbook along with information not found elsewhere.

Betcoin Review January 24, 2024

Betcoin is the top rated Bitcoin Sportsbook. A few things that separate Betcoin from Stake and Sportsbet is that they are the only Sportsbook between the three that has a Sportsbook, Casino, Horse Race Book and Poker Room. Betcoin is also unique in having two sets of lines for line shoppers.One is listed as Gamebtr and the other as Betcoin.  Betcoin also has the smallest margins in eSports in the Leageu of Legends, Starcraft II and Broodwar.

Another unique aspect is that Betcoin allows you to keep your balance in alt coins for those that want exposure to an alt coin. For those worried about price fluctuations your balance may be kept in USDT or BUSD. As far as safeness and security, there are no open scam accusations against Betcoin. The record keeping on scam accusations began on January 1, 2023. All accusations in the Scam Accusation subforum are listed.

The UI of Betcoin is the most modern of the three and is updated on a regular basis. Gamebtr is the simplest version while Betcoin is the more modern version. Betcoin is consistently making upgrades. It wasn't long ago that horse racing was added. A recent addition is the Poker Room. Social gaming has been added. Betcoin is an all inclusive gaming site.





Gamebtr, Betcoin, Sportsbet then Stake









Additional Sportsbook information such as currencies accepted

Betcoin Review

Betcoin is the top rated Bitcoin Sportsbook. A few things that separate Betcoin from Stake and Sportsbet is that they are the only Sportsbook between the three that has a Sportsbook, Casino, Horse Race Book and Poker Room. Betcoin is also unique in having two sets of lines for line shoppers.One is listed as Gamebtr and the other as Betcoin.  Betcoin also has the smallest margins in eSports in the Leageu of Legends, Starcraft II and Broodwar.

Another unique aspect is that Betcoin allows you to keep your balance in alt coins for those that want exposure to an alt coin. For those worried about price fluctuations your balance may be kept in USDT or BUSD. As far as safeness and security, there are no open scam accusations against Betcoin. The record keeping on scam accusations began on January 1, 2023. All accusations in the Scam Accusation subforum are listed.

The UI of Betcoin is the most modern of the three and is updated on a regular basis. Gamebtr is the simplest version while Betcoin is the more modern version. Betcoin is consistently making upgrades. It wasn't long ago that horse racing was added. A recent addition is the Poker Room. Social gaming has been added. Betcoin is an all inclusive gaming site.

Ah okay I have to admit I only read the blackjack complaint in detail. Months of waiting for a KYC is indeed rediculous and confiscating a deposit is always rediculous unless there are terrorist ties or something like that. Oh wow and now I even see the confiscation was done in the form of a negative bonus of 96K....that is an even more painful way to do it....seeing you have received a bonus and then it turns out the be a minus amount....

I agree with you on the blackjack dealer that it's not Stake's fault. I'm going to change that and put a strike through it. It could be a simple dealer mistake. For the second complaint, I don't think that player's should have to wait months for a KYC check, that has to be done much quicker. The $100,000 confiscation is pure theft. The player must be given his money back.

To be really honest, I think we tend to be too harsh on the most respected sportsbooks in terms of complaints. It looks like people complain quicker than with other sportsbooks, simply because they expect much more from the respected sportsbooks. But IMO this blackjack dealer cheating has nothing to do with Stake, it was a strange human error by the external live casino provider, and it wasn't even about a high amount. The KYC check I don't know.....as long as it's not finished I think it's a bit early to complain. And a confiscation due to banned jurisdiction is harsh but pretty clear-cut.
After all, it's a bit strange than the most respected books such as Stake and Sportsbet have the highest amount of total complaints behind their name.

The complaints agasint the lesser known sportsbooks have much much more rediculous reasons behind the confiscations/voids/bans.

Thanks for the reply! And thanks for the links on letou.com!

I read them all. Here are some of the most recent cases. I'll get into all later if you want. If you see mistakes then let me know.

Jan 8:     Video of dealer cheating in live blackjack.
Nov. 21:  KYC check still ongoing for $12,000 USD.
Sept. 11:  $100,000 USD confiscated for banned jurisdiction.

Why is there so much Stake? Can you summarize the main reason for not re-reading all these threads? You must have read them before posting them here.

Update scam accusations

Scam accusations from January 1, 2023 - January 22, 2024

Nitrobetting A+
0 accusations

Betcoin A+  
Betcoin   1/3/2024   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinag-are-absolute-scammers-5480282   Resolved Arbitration Offered
Betcoin   6/17/2023   $7,700.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinag-is-trying-to-scam-me-off-my-77k-usd-balance-resolved-5456682   Resolved
Betcoin   4/23/2023   $1,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinag-scam-1000-5449900   Resolved
Betcoin   4/21/2023   .213 BTC   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoin-permanently-suspended-my-account-and-withholding-my-5449749   Arbitration Offered
Betcoin   2/5/2023   $20,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/085-btc-20k-scam-playbetrcom-betcoinag-scam-accounts-closed-ignoring-5438132 Resolved thepogg
Betcoin   2/26/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinag-closing-my-account-and-keeping-my-funds-5441329   Resolved
Betcoin   2/14/2023   $15,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-betcoinag-scamming-15k-including-deposit-scammed-5439834   Resolved

mBet A-
0 accusations

Stake B
Stake   1/8/2024   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-stake-playing-fair-what-about-others-where-is-the-line-of-trust-here-5480777
Stake   12/18/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/funds-withdrawn-from-stake-without-2fa-5478418
Stake   11/21/2023   $12,500.00  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-is-scam-12000-5474855
Stake   9/28/2023  ?     https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-and-casinoguru-coverup-5468477
Stake   9/14/2023   $20,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-scammed-me-off-apx-20000-usdti-want-my-hard-earned-money-backhelp-pls-5466839   
Stake   9/11/2023   $100,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-lock-my-account-after-winning-100k-5466400   
Stake   9/8/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-false-tranaction-not-found-5466109   Resolved
Stake   9/4/2023   $541.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-stakecom-solved-5465677   Resolved
Stake   8/11/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-do-not-trust-the-marketing-and-promotions-team-5462873   Resolved
Stake   8/1/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-alert-stakecom-missing-bets-from-the-website-archive-odds-not-matching-5461706   
Stake   7/24/2023   $75.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/got-scamed-by-stake-5460913   Resolved
Stake   7/7/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-is-a-scam-the-use-sensors-to-manipulate-the-bets-nothing-fair-5458920   
Stake   7/4/2023   10500 XRP   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-stakecom-stole-10500-xrp-5458557   
Stake   7/3/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-family-scam-business-since-90s-5458456   
Stake   6/2/2023   $2,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-scammed-me-due-to-racial-discrimination-and-personal-issues-5454864   
Stake   5/15/23   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-stole-hundreds-of-thousands-from-me-ilegally-5452766   
Stake   5/17/2023   0.14892000 BTC   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-scammed-me-for-015-btc-5453029   
Stake   10/11/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stakecom-account-suspended-proof-of-funds-how-to-provide-5416789   
Stake   4/14/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-stakecom-blocking-withdrawal-and-not-responding-to-emails-5448883   
Stake   2/21/2023   $165,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hacked-for-165k-stakecom-5440739   
Stake   1/4/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-is-unfair-and-biased-nothing-but-classism-5433046   

Bitsler B-
Bitsler   9/19/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitsler-is-a-complete-and-utter-scam-5360813   

FortuneJack B-
Fortunejack   12/18/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-provably-fair-games-are-not-fair-5478417
Fortunejack   11/3/2023    $1500.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/1500-5472748
Fortunejack   9/14/2023   $279.60   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-5466779   Resolved

Betfury C+
Betfury   1/19/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betfury-not-pay-27k-5406841   Resolved

Cloudbet C+
Cloudbet   9/10/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cloudbet-deceptive-marketing-to-banned-jurisdiction-and-refuses-to-refund-5466334   
Cloudbet   4/7/2023   1.6 ETH   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/resolved-cloudbet-stealing-my-funds-5447946   Resolved
Cloudbet   3/14/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cloudbet-account-under-review-for-5-months-5444821   

Roobet C+
0 accusations

Wolf.bet C+
Wolf.bet   1/21/2024   $1131   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wolfbet-blocked-my-account-5482475
Wolf.bet   1/20/2024   $1050   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wolfbet-not-paying-out-winnings-at-the-moment-resolved-5482356
Wolfbet   11/7/2023   $18.55   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wolfbet-commission-withdraw-5473231  Resolved

Duelbits C
Duelbits   1/11/2024   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/duelbits-fucking-scammer-son-of-a-bitches-5481236 Resolved
Duelbits   8/27/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/duelbits-scam-alert-unveiling-the-illusion-of-the-most-rewarding-casino-5464671   
Duelbits   7/11/2023   $2,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/duelbits-not-withdrawing-2k-usd-3months-5459388   Resolved
Duelbits   6/1/2023   $500,000.00    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/duelbits-500000-unresolved-problem-5454703   Resolved
Duelbits   4/15/2023   $950.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/duelbits-wont-send-me-withdraw-amount-5448936   Resolved
Duelbits   4/4/2023   $1,100.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-alert-duelbits-scam-1100-5447135   
Duelbits   1/9/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/evolution-scammed-me-on-duelbits-table-5433623   


MaverickGames C
Maverickgames   6/6/2023   $600.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/maverickgames-takes-money-away-5455433   
Maverickgames   6/8/2023   $2,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/maverickgamescom-casino-is-a-scam-5455752   

Owl C
0 accusations


TrustDice C
Trustdice   6/18/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/just-got-scammed-by-trustdicewin-stay-away-5456716 Fairness is verifiable
Trustdice   3/10/2023   .075 BTC   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/my-expirience-on-site-trustdicecom-scam-5444374 Resolved CasinoGuru

ParlayPlus C-
0 accusations


Rollbit D+
Rollbit   1/19/2024   $2500   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-stole-my-withdrawal-please-help-5482250
Rollbit   1/5/2024   $110,117.52   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-holding-my-withdrawl-5480563
Rollbit   12/6/2023   $30,000   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/resolved-rollbit-withdrawal-of-30k-usd-pending-for-4-days-5479367 Resoveld
Rollbit   11/28/2023   $292.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-voided-my-won-bet-after-match-finished-5475823
Rollbit  11/5/2023  $22,000  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-stealing-22k-and-banning-my-account-5472882
Rollbit  10/23/2023  ?  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-has-literally-has-thrown-my-money-away-sending-it-to-an-ftx-address-5471380
Rollbit  10/4/2023 ? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-robbed-my-money-i-made-honest-bet-help-5469212
Rollbit   8/31/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbitcom-pragmatic-blackjack-scammed-me-5465228   
Rollbit   8/21/2023   $30,211.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-scam-cannot-withdraw-30211-being-ignored-by-support-5463996   
Rollbit   6/29/2023   $410.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-disabling-account-and-confiscating-balance-of-410-5458053   Resolved
Rollbit   4/19/2023   $10,200.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-disables-account-and-seizes-funds-102k-5449402   
Rollbit   6/25/2023   $4,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-holding-4k-withdrawal-been-7-days-5457538   Reolved
Rollbit   5/25/2023   $5,000.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-scam-5k-gdpr-problem-5454027   
Rollbit   4/8/2023   $920.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-hold-funds-and-ignore-in-chat-5448076   
Rollbit   4/6/2023   $255.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-scam-255-usdt-5447740   
Rollbit   4/3/2023   $350.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-scam-5447471   Resolved
Rollbit   3/7/2023   $12,800.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-withdrawal-frozen-for-12800-no-response-5443932   Resolved
Rollbit   2/23/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammed-by-rollbit-5441023   
Rollbit   2/21/23   $1,497.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-rollbitcom-you-deposit-1497-busd-you-withdraw-0-account-blocked-5440636   
Rollbit   1/10/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-scammed-5433691   
Rollbit   1/3/2023   $737.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5432854   

Sportsbet D+
Sportsbet  12/3/2023   $14,500.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbet-scam-my-14450-please-help-me-5476415
Sportsbet   11/5/2023  ?  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-sportsbetio-rude-support-and-wierd-decisions-5472884 Resolved
Sportsbet    9/29/2023  $5,000  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportbetone-just-stole-5k-usd-from-me-5468447
Sportsbet   9/13/2023   $250.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/removed-5466721   Resolved
Sportsbet   8/22/2023   38.32 LTC   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/serious-sportsbet-problem-they-paid-3832-ltc-to-the-wrong-address-5464122   
Sportsbet   8/14/2023   $1,200.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-falsely-accuses-me-of-multi-accounting-and-refuses-to-pay-my-money-5463240                   
Sportsbet   4/24/2023   $1,350.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-accuse-me-with-multi-accounting-and-dont-pay-my-winnings-5450006   Resolved
Sportsbet   3/23/2023   $5,500.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-steal-money-5446033   
Sportsbet   5/4/2023   ?   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-fake-games-in-play-be-careful-5451223   
Sportsbet   4/3/2023   219 mBTC   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/resolved-sportsbetio-holding-my-funds-342-mbtc-5447376   Resolved
Sportsbet   2/14/2023   $1,731.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-scam-1731-usdt-5439809   
Sportsbet   3/8/2023   $1,700.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-site-sportbetio-stealing-money-important-5443999   
Sportsbet   1/17/2023   $250.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-took-my-money-5435667   
Sportsbet   1/5/2023   $6,472.00   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-multi-accounting-problem-5433051   Resolved

Blue Chip NR
Blue Chip    1/16/2024   34mBTC   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63509199

Coins.game
Coins.game   1/18/2024    268 mBTC...https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63519557

I don't play there, maybe someone else does. A search tells me that it's a book that people should stay away from.


https://thepogg.com/casino-review/letou/
https://casino.guru/letou-casino-review-1

Hi, does anyone know anything about the reliability of letou.com? Yes-there is a fiat there, but still thought I'd ask in case anyone knows or has heard anything....

I looked again and have no idea what you are being accused of doing wrong. You can shoot me a PM with your account number stating that I have permission to look into your account and I'll contact them. Still file with someone else that can help.

My case has nothing to do with multiple accounts. They are just not happy with a winning customer, threw a bunch of vague accusations and rules into a chat and hoped I would buy it and be statisfied with just getting my deposit back (minus 1mbtc by the way cause that is their rediculously high flat withdrawal fee)

This is a new casino and you are a respected poster so I've immediately put them in the scam (F) category. Contact AskGamblers and ThePogg to file complaints. Those two have the most success.

This is happening all too often. I'll paraphrase the book's rule. If you have more than one account, we can steal all your money. We determine if you have more than one account and we don't have to show proof to anyone.

Rollbit, Sportsbet and Stake are the biggest abusers of that rule. We have to put pressure on all books to pay back in full, winnings and deposits, if they don't want our business.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63519557

Today I got scammed for 268mbtc by Coins.game
If this does not get solved they should be forever listed in the scam category if you ask me

Thanks for bringing this here GekkeBelg, they've been added. Sorry to see this. They are at the bottom of the list since they are NR but I think I'll rearrange the list later in alphabetical order instead of rating to make it easier to look up for posters.



I'm no longer going to trust a Sportsbook's word for scam accusations. I've sent out a PM to all the books in the first spreadsheet. A sportsbook must agree to binding arbitration at a governing body such as AskGamblers or allow me to see details of disputes in order to have an "A" rating. Binding arbitration is best with a site such as AskGambers or ThePogg. I don't want to do it since it's a no win situation for me. If not, the highest rating that they can obtain will be a "B". Safety and security is the most important thing and we must be assured that our funds are not being confiscated without proof of wrongdoing. In some jurisdictions a license will be fine but not in Curacao. Curacao is not going to rule in the player's favor.

Books are taking too long to approve KYC documentation after all has been provided. Some are taking up to 3 months. With that in mind, on January 24th, I'll post what books have decided on binding arbitration and adjustments will be made. Books with licenses in such places as the UK and US are held to high standards. The standard of crypto books needs to be increased. Not having a license in the UK or US doesn't mean a book can steal according to a ToS rule that would be thrown out in a court of law.

you should also try asking for your case to be listed on this another thread"Scam Accusation Cases Against Betting Platform on The Forum"

I know this wouldn't really help you case but looking around the forum it seems like bluechip.io used to run a signature campaign here in the forum and also has a forum representative(BlueChip.io) but they didn't post an ANN thread.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63509199

See here, I would like to nominate BlueChip for the scam category of your list. Absolutely terrible sportsbook.