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Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool - page 150. (Read 2591920 times)

legendary
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Has there been any word from forrestv as to weather this new "XT" client is actually compatible with p2pool with it's different block size params?

Forrestv - if you're lurking, it would be interesting to hear your point of view  Wink

If the fork to 8MB blocks happens, P2Pool will require changes to support 8MB blocks and its own fork to get everyone using the changes. That said, it's a ways off and the changes should be pretty straightforward.

let's hope there will an earlier warning compared to the last one so that everyone on p2p will have ample time to switch over. would be also great to see some improvements.

in the meanwhile, whereisblock ?
hero member
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Has there been any word from forrestv as to weather this new "XT" client is actually compatible with p2pool with it's different block size params?

Forrestv - if you're lurking, it would be interesting to hear your point of view  Wink

If the fork to 8MB blocks happens, P2Pool will require changes to support 8MB blocks and its own fork to get everyone using the changes. That said, it's a ways off and the changes should be pretty straightforward.
sr. member
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Looks like p2pool's recent outstanding luck has bought a big player back - currently at over 2.5Ph/s  Smiley
legendary
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Great points Carlton.  Using XT means you are implicitly accepting all of the changes it brings to the table - not just the increased block size from BIP101.

I also agree that setting arbitrary limits like the ones proposed in BIP101 provides an artificial barrier that may or may not need to be changed as technology progresses in the future.

Thank you, although I must point out that the text of mine that you quoted are the facts as I perceive them, not any kind of arguments.


The part of my post you didn't quote are my opinions about how to strategise for the future growth of Bitcoin, although I hope you might consider those to be good points. I would be interested to hear anybody elses views on such matters also, debating on the main board about these issues is tough when you have to explain alot of the details.
legendary
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XT is compatible now. It will not be compatibile after the arranged fork date (January 11th 2016)

The main change is it implements BIP 101, Gavin Andresen's proposal to increase the blocksize limit to 8MB, followed by a doubling of that limit every two years until a final target limit of 8 gigabytes is reached in the year 2033.

Other significant changes are:

  • Longest chain no longer wins, chain validity is determined using checkpoints periodically added by the XT devs to the code
  • Tor nodes are deprioritised from connection as an anti-DOS measure
  • Permitted Tor exit nodes are, at present, hard coded into the XT client

As p2pool miners, I would investigate the implications of the blocksize changes, and also of the changes to the chain consensus rules.
Great points Carlton.  Using XT means you are implicitly accepting all of the changes it brings to the table - not just the increased block size from BIP101.

I also agree that setting arbitrary limits like the ones proposed in BIP101 provides an artificial barrier that may or may not need to be changed as technology progresses in the future.
legendary
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http://p2pool-nodes.info/ is listed on the site but it ain;t working anymore.

looks like the hunt for 3rd block of the day has just begun.

use this : http://nodes.p2pool.co/
sr. member
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Has there been any word from forrestv as to weather this new "XT" client is actually compatible with p2pool with it's different block size params?

Forrestv - if you're lurking, it would be interesting to hear your point of view  Wink
legendary
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Has there been any word from forrestv as to weather this new "XT" client is actually compatible with p2pool with it's different block size params?

I'm using XT. Working good here. Still looking into what it actually patches and how it effects mining. Any info would be appreciated.

I wonder how this will change mining? Would it give Big pools a bigger advantage?
I know KNC are supporting it and that's one of there biggest sponsors.
Of course Bitmain is for this too.
Coming to a hard-fork means I'm supporting it at the moment.
"ChinaPool" is definitely going to kick it's weight around if this flies or not.
How do you feel about this please share.


XT is compatible now. It will not be compatibile after the arranged fork date (January 11th 2016)

The main change is it implements BIP 101, Gavin Andresen's proposal to increase the blocksize limit to 8MB, followed by a doubling of that limit every two years until a final target limit of 8 gigabytes is reached in the year 2033.

Other significant changes are:

  • Longest chain no longer wins, chain validity is determined using checkpoints periodically added by the XT devs to the code
  • Tor nodes are deprioritised from connection as an anti-DOS measure
  • Permitted Tor exit nodes are, at present, hard coded into the XT client

As p2pool miners, I would investigate the implications of the blocksize changes, and also of the changes to the chain consensus rules.


Also be aware: this model of absolute blocksize limits isn't a very good one (it worked well up to now, but it is true that we are beginning to "run out of road" using this paradigm). A dynamic limit of some type is perhaps a better option, but I am also interested to hear any other concepts that haven't yet been given an airing. There is a productive discussion (no, really!) going on in the Development and Technical sub (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bip-106-dynamically-controlled-bitcoin-block-size-max-cap-1154536). Here's what I had to say about this in another thread:

"Is it really such a great plan to make predictions about what technology we'll be running the bitcoin network on, decades into the future? I would argue that as we approach the steeper part of the curve of technological progress, making accurate predictions will become increasingly more difficult. Perhaps it is worth taking an optimistic view of progress when conducting some aspects of long term planning. But when you're designing something vital, prudence and conservatism is a much more appropriate strategy. Only the absolute basics in life are more vital than monetary systems."
legendary
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Awesome! Already had our first commit with some fixes from Rav3nPL, thanks!

As he has been around a while (longer then I anyway), is a contributor to the main source, and maintains a branch with support for many alt-coins, he now has commit access as well.

I also added ForrestV if he would care to contribute...

Edit: Also changed the default branch to gh-pages, so https://github.com/ChainQuery/p2pool.org resolves to the site branch.



http://p2pool-nodes.info/ is listed on the site but it ain;t working anymore.

looks like the hunt for 3rd block of the day has just begun.
sr. member
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Yup, bit of a whizz is our Rav3nPL  Smiley

This is great stuff windpath - kudos.
legendary
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Awesome! Already had our first commit with some fixes from Rav3nPL, thanks!

As he has been around a while (longer then I anyway), is a contributor to the main source, and maintains a branch with support for many alt-coins, he now has commit access as well.

I also added ForrestV if he would care to contribute...

Edit: Also changed the default branch to gh-pages, so https://github.com/ChainQuery/p2pool.org resolves to the site branch.

legendary
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Mine Mine Mine
WoW looks like things are moving fwd. thx windpath for putting up your effort, extra time & commitment towards p2p.

let's hope it'll expand further & attract more miners to come join us.
legendary
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P2Pool.org - Now hosted on Github Pages!

I just moved p2pool.org over to Github pages, I'll save a few bucks on hosting, and now it's easy for anyone to contribute.

I'd love some help!

Some areas that could use improvement:

- Some of the links are out of date or broken
- Copy changes or additions welcome

And the big one:

The site was pretty much thrown together in a day, and the whole thing is a single HTML page using modals rather then traditional navigation, if anyone wants to fork it and redesign it with more traditional navigation and separate html pages for different content sections that would be just awesome!

The repo is: https://github.com/ChainQuery/p2pool.org/

The site lives in the 'gh-pages' branch: https://github.com/ChainQuery/p2pool.org/tree/gh-pages

Really hoping to get some folks to jump in and help out Smiley For anyone serious about helping that would like commit access, PM me.

http://p2pool.org

legendary
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Mine at Jonny's Pool
Thus far the only XT blocks found have been mined by Slush.  Sure, some of the other pools are putting things like "8MB" in their coinbase sigs, but they aren't mining to XT.  A few nodes here in p2pool are now, or are planning to very soon, use XT.
legendary
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Has there been any word from forrestv as to weather this new "XT" client is actually compatible with p2pool with it's different block size params?

I'm using XT. Working good here. Still looking into what it actually patches and how it effects mining. Any info would be appreciated.
XT implements BIP101, among other things like improved double spend tracking.  BIP101 allows for increasing maximum block size, thereby removing the 1MB cap currently in place.

If you find a block with an XT node, you'll be able to tell because the version number will be different.  Currently, all blocks found by Core software are version 3.  Blocks found by XT are version 536870919.

Right now, it makes no difference because BIP101 (larger block sizes) doesn't go into effect until 1/11/2016 at the earliest.  However, come that date if 75% of blocks found are by XT then larger block support goes into effect and we've got a hard fork.

Have any blocks been found by a node running XT?

If it does fork to support larger block sizes I believe a code change on p2pool would need to be done for it to create larger blocks.
sr. member
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Another block!   Nom...Nom..... Grin

The 7/30 day luck stats are impressive.
legendary
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Mine at Jonny's Pool
Has there been any word from forrestv as to weather this new "XT" client is actually compatible with p2pool with it's different block size params?

I'm using XT. Working good here. Still looking into what it actually patches and how it effects mining. Any info would be appreciated.
XT implements BIP101, among other things like improved double spend tracking.  BIP101 allows for increasing maximum block size, thereby removing the 1MB cap currently in place.

If you find a block with an XT node, you'll be able to tell because the version number will be different.  Currently, all blocks found by Core software are version 3.  Blocks found by XT are version 536870919.

Right now, it makes no difference because BIP101 (larger block sizes) doesn't go into effect until 1/11/2016 at the earliest.  However, come that date if 75% of blocks found are by XT then larger block support goes into effect and we've got a hard fork.
legendary
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Mine Mine Mine
the btc gods are listening & blessing us Wink

BITCOIN BLOCK FOUND by 1Haabi6hZdDwxk1SCYusntAy9uFCYDYz15!  https://blockchain.info/block/0000000000000000144389d0d817f2b390a6330762fce3d014fca19380f4b74c  estimated hashrate 9419.08 GH/s

pool hashsrate below 1 phs

p2p go go go
legendary
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Has there been any word from forrestv as to weather this new "XT" client is actually compatible with p2pool with it's different block size params?

No, but I've texted XT with P2Pool and it works as expected.
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Has there been any word from forrestv as to weather this new "XT" client is actually compatible with p2pool with it's different block size params?

I'm using XT. Working good here. Still looking into what it actually patches and how it effects mining. Any info would be appreciated.

I wonder how this will change mining? Would it give Big pools a bigger advantage?
I know KNC are supporting it and that's one of there biggest sponsors.
Of course Bitmain is for this too.
Coming to a hard-fork means I'm supporting it at the moment.
"ChinaPool" is definitely going to kick it's weight around if this flies or not.
How do you feel about this please share.

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