Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool - page 193. (Read 2591920 times)
April 17, 2015, 02:04:31 PM
The title of this thread includes "Hop-Proof". While I expect that is really just hyperbole, I wondered what it would mean to be "Hop Proof"? Contracts with the pool members to never use another pool? Kind of like getting married?
April 17, 2015, 11:06:08 AM
Ok the worst luck record has been broken in p2pool today, last was on 2015-02-18 21:02:22 which was 13.24% and present round luck shows 13.22%
Congrats everyone for being a part of it lmao
I'd like to thank the Academy for giving me the opportunity... oh wait, wrong acceptance speech Congrats everyone for being a part of it lmao
.Thankfully most of my gear has been rented out so I've been fortunate enough to have received some BTC. My 2 S3s are still plugging away on the Nasty node test. Looks like my update this week is going to be easy to write, though.
Now, if we figure about a day and a half expected to solve a block, we're at about 533%.
April 17, 2015, 10:41:57 AM
Ok the worst luck record has been broken in p2pool today, last was on 2015-02-18 21:02:22 which was 13.24% and present round luck shows 13.22%
Congrats everyone for being a part of it lmao
Congrats everyone for being a part of it lmao
April 16, 2015, 10:25:11 PM
Don't forget that you also have to make sure the luck calculation includes 95%-98% of the orphan share-chain shares (which will make the luck worse) and of course the orphan blocks that become valid bitcoin block-chain blocks (that will make the luck better)
I'm not sure anyone has included both together ...
I'm not sure anyone has included both together ...
April 16, 2015, 09:25:35 PM
Funny figures to see
Pool Luck
Current Round 14.48%
Seven Days 0%
Thirty Days 84.28%
Expected Time to Block 1d 7h 26m 42s
Has anyone plotted a distribution of P2Pool's luck? Cf. this:Pool Luck
Current Round 14.48%
Seven Days 0%
Thirty Days 84.28%
Expected Time to Block 1d 7h 26m 42s
I did find this, but it's years outdated (from Nov. 2012):
April 16, 2015, 05:30:58 PM
Funny figures to see
Pool Luck
Current Round 14.48%
Seven Days 0%
Thirty Days 84.28%
Expected Time to Block 1d 7h 26m 42s
Pool Luck
Current Round 14.48%
Seven Days 0%
Thirty Days 84.28%
Expected Time to Block 1d 7h 26m 42s
April 15, 2015, 11:31:16 AM
If it was pps then there wont be share chain concept n would be a regular pool.
good pointthanks
April 15, 2015, 11:12:54 AM
PPLNS shares have a shelf-life. For p2pool, that's either 8640 shares or 3 times the average work of finding a block (i.e. 300%), whichever is lower.
Why doesn't P2Pool just use PPS?Also, can the software tell me which shares and how many I've contributed to a P2Pool mined block?
By the way, we r going to break the 13% luck record i guess lol at present its 17% in round and still strugling.
April 15, 2015, 10:34:34 AM
PPLNS shares have a shelf-life. For p2pool, that's either 8640 shares or 3 times the average work of finding a block (i.e. 300%), whichever is lower.
Why doesn't P2Pool just use PPS?Also, can the software tell me which shares and how many I've contributed to a P2Pool mined block?
April 14, 2015, 04:13:43 PM
Pointing more hash at p2pool will not help, if anything, it will make it worse. As it always has & always will in it's current form. [...] P2pools problems won't just disappear - they have to be fixed. Then throw tons of hash at it. It's the same old story.
Increasing hashrates cause miner variance for smaller miners but I do not see that as a problem. If P2Pool was solving 10 blocks a day I believe the top 30% of P2Pool miners would be very happy. The rest may be unhappy because of huge variance but if they team up with friends and create subpools then they can become significant also.
Higher hashrates do not cause any extra load or latencies on the P2Pool network. I have no understanding for complaints about high hashrates.
April 14, 2015, 02:46:38 PM
Pointing more hash at p2pool will not help, if anything, it will make it worse. As it always has & always will in it's current form. There is a reason the hash rate has been declining for the last 6 months:
P2pools problems won't just disappear - they have to be fixed. Then throw tons of hash at it. It's the same old story.
P2pools problems won't just disappear - they have to be fixed. Then throw tons of hash at it. It's the same old story.
April 14, 2015, 12:43:13 PM
shares dropping off the chain before they're paid
What do you mean? April 14, 2015, 12:40:55 PM
shares dropping off the chain before they're paid
What do you mean? April 14, 2015, 12:31:56 PM
shares dropping off the chain before they're paid
What do you mean? April 14, 2015, 11:10:03 AM
In a nutshell p2pool doesn't scale. Unlike the centralized pool model where the higher the hash rate of the pool the lower the variance for the miner, here because of the share chain concept the higher the hash rate the greater the variance experienced by miners.
However it is a double edge sword. If P2Pool hashrate is too low then blocks are solved too slow and miner shares drop off the share chain. In my opinion this is much worse than higher variance because it means wasted energy and money. And in my opinion unfair.
P2Pool should have as high hashrate as we can give it. If your miner is too weak to generate shares regularly then you should either join a trusted P2Pool subpool or start your own P2Pool subpool.
Your solution mitigates this by creating the sub-pool. Yes, a miner sacrifices some of the decentralized freedom using this model; however, it gives miners a less variant payout. To date it's the best solution that's been provided to the problem.
April 14, 2015, 11:02:02 AM
In a nutshell p2pool doesn't scale. Unlike the centralized pool model where the higher the hash rate of the pool the lower the variance for the miner, here because of the share chain concept the higher the hash rate the greater the variance experienced by miners.
However it is a double edge sword. If P2Pool hashrate is too low then blocks are solved too slow and miner shares drop off the share chain. In my opinion this is much worse than higher variance because it means wasted energy and money. And in my opinion unfair.
P2Pool should have as high hashrate as we can give it. If your miner is too weak to generate shares regularly then you should either join a trusted P2Pool subpool or start your own P2Pool subpool.
Exactly bro, without high hashrate in p2pool, people loose earned shares due to blocks being solved too slow. Atleast a 4-5PH minimum hashrate would make p2pool better i guess. Ya ofcourse finding a share will become a little more harder but payouts will be stable atleast. With a average 1PH now, its nothing compared to other pools.
April 14, 2015, 08:25:13 AM
However it is a double edge sword. If P2Pool hashrate is too low then blocks are solved too slow and miner shares drop off the share chain. In my opinion this is much worse than higher variance because it means wasted energy and money. And in my opinion unfair.
P2Pool should have as high hashrate as we can give it. If your miner is too weak to generate shares regularly then you should either join a trusted P2Pool subpool or start your own P2Pool subpool.
Well said.
April 14, 2015, 02:54:14 AM
In a nutshell p2pool doesn't scale. Unlike the centralized pool model where the higher the hash rate of the pool the lower the variance for the miner, here because of the share chain concept the higher the hash rate the greater the variance experienced by miners.
However it is a double edge sword. If P2Pool hashrate is too low then blocks are solved too slow and miner shares drop off the share chain. In my opinion this is much worse than higher variance because it means wasted energy and money. And in my opinion unfair.
P2Pool should have as high hashrate as we can give it. If your miner is too weak to generate shares regularly then you should either join a trusted P2Pool subpool or start your own P2Pool subpool.
April 13, 2015, 11:10:22 PM
As long as you are OK with the inherent issues with how p2pool works
What issue?… In a nutshell p2pool doesn't scale. Unlike the centralized pool model where the higher the hash rate of the pool the lower the variance for the miner, here because of the share chain concept the higher the hash rate the greater the variance experienced by miners.
April 13, 2015, 09:47:52 PM
As long as you are OK with the inherent issues with how p2pool works
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