[1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool - page 194.

kano

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Quote from: Geremia on April 13, 2015, 05:38:13 PM

Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 13, 2015, 05:09:25 PM

Quote from: Geremia on April 13, 2015, 04:55:52 PM

Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 06, 2012, 09:38:12 AM

Fresh-mined coins for payouts were innovated by pools in the following order: puddinpop, Eligius, BitPenny, p2pool.

This would seem to make all these pools equally immune to potential pool manager fraud, then, no?
Does P2Pool have any advantage, security-wise, over the others mentioned here?

P2Pool has the best chance of avoiding fraud because of its decentralized nature. Sure a node operator could charge ridiculous fees on his own node, but nobody would mine there.

Centralized pools could easily skim off the top. Generate a percentage of coins to your own address. Would the average miner know if he's missing a small portion of a payout? He'd probably explain it away as bad pool luck.

indeed
thus P2Pool passes my inspection.

As long as you are OK with the inherent issues with how p2pool works

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 13, 2015, 05:09:25 PM

Quote from: Geremia on April 13, 2015, 04:55:52 PM

Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 06, 2012, 09:38:12 AM

Fresh-mined coins for payouts were innovated by pools in the following order: puddinpop, Eligius, BitPenny, p2pool.

This would seem to make all these pools equally immune to potential pool manager fraud, then, no?
Does P2Pool have any advantage, security-wise, over the others mentioned here?

P2Pool has the best chance of avoiding fraud because of its decentralized nature. Sure a node operator could charge ridiculous fees on his own node, but nobody would mine there.

Centralized pools could easily skim off the top. Generate a percentage of coins to your own address. Would the average miner know if he's missing a small portion of a payout? He'd probably explain it away as bad pool luck.

indeed
thus P2Pool passes my inspection.

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Quote from: Geremia on April 13, 2015, 04:55:52 PM

Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 06, 2012, 09:38:12 AM

Fresh-mined coins for payouts were innovated by pools in the following order: puddinpop, Eligius, BitPenny, p2pool.

This would seem to make all these pools equally immune to potential pool manager fraud, then, no?
Does P2Pool have any advantage, security-wise, over the others mentioned here?

P2Pool is the only one that has any immunity coz the breakdown of the payout is distributed to all nodes and all nodes must mine to a correct breakdown or their shares will not be included in the share chain.
The others can do whatever they like to the coinbase payout just as any other pool can with their payout scheme.

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Quote from: Geremia on April 13, 2015, 04:55:52 PM

Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 06, 2012, 09:38:12 AM

Fresh-mined coins for payouts were innovated by pools in the following order: puddinpop, Eligius, BitPenny, p2pool.

This would seem to make all these pools equally immune to potential pool manager fraud, then, no?
Does P2Pool have any advantage, security-wise, over the others mentioned here?

P2Pool has the best chance of avoiding fraud because of its decentralized nature. Sure a node operator could charge ridiculous fees on his own node, but nobody would mine there.

Centralized pools could easily skim off the top. Generate a percentage of coins to your own address. Would the average miner know if he's missing a small portion of a payout? He'd probably explain it away as bad pool luck.

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Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 06, 2012, 09:38:12 AM

Fresh-mined coins for payouts were innovated by pools in the following order: puddinpop, Eligius, BitPenny, p2pool.

This would seem to make all these pools equally immune to potential pool manager fraud, then, no?
Does P2Pool have any advantage, security-wise, over the others mentioned here?

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 13, 2015, 04:25:59 PM

You want good stats? Check out windpath's site: minefast.coincidence.com

thanks
Here's what appears to be the correct URL: http://minefast.coincadence.com/p2pool-stats.php
That is a good page.

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Quote from: Geremia on April 13, 2015, 01:22:54 PM

Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 13, 2015, 12:15:28 PM

Quote from: Geremia on April 13, 2015, 12:13:25 PM

Why isn't http://p2pool.info/ up-to-date?

Because nobody maintains it.

What sort of maintenence does it take? And is the source for it on GitHub?

Apparently too much for the current owner to bother keeping it up to date. You want good stats? Check out windpath's site: minefast.coincidence.com

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Quote from: bhanu545 on April 13, 2015, 10:56:02 AM

P2pool is seeing the worst luck in last 3 months.

This after blocks appeared upon us like showers of gold.

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 13, 2015, 12:15:28 PM

Quote from: Geremia on April 13, 2015, 12:13:25 PM

Why isn't http://p2pool.info/ up-to-date?

Because nobody maintains it.

What sort of maintenence does it take? And is the source for it on GitHub?

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Quote from: Geremia on April 13, 2015, 12:13:25 PM

Why isn't http://p2pool.info/ up-to-date?

Because nobody maintains it.

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Quote from: bhanu545 on April 13, 2015, 10:56:02 AM

P2pool is seeing the worst luck in last 3 months.

That shouldn't matter so much in the long. Most p2pool users are in it for the long haul, no?

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Why isn't http://p2pool.info/ up-to-date?

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P2pool is seeing the worst luck in last 3 months.

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Quote from: windpath on April 08, 2015, 07:59:01 AM

OGNasty launched a p2pool proxy for smaller miners at https://nastyfans.org/nastypool/

It works well, and OG has earned the trust of his community.

Ahh okay cool, glad someone ran with the idea. clown's ProxyPool he originally only ran for Doge. The code was open sourced, I thought about trying to get it going for regular bitcoin, but he wrote it in Haskell (I think it was), which made my eyes bleed trying to learn. Finally gave up as being too hard to learn a really weird new language just to run a p2pool proxy that noone might use.

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 08, 2015, 07:23:18 AM

roy7 - take a look at what OgNasty and Nonnakip have done with their NastyPoP implementation. You can see my long-running thread about it here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nastypop-vs-standard-p2pool-891298.

Windpath - coincadence.com is not showing block 351173. Are you still adding blocks that come from orphaned/dead shares to the site manually?

OgNasty/Nonnakip - same thing on the NastyPoP distribution window standings page at nastyfans.org/miners. 351173 is missing.

Ha! Beat me to it on the OG pool

The short answer to your question is "sometimes"(TM), I'm catching a much higher % of them then before, but some still need to be manually added (like 351173), since monitoring each block does not seem to be working well I may add a fail-safe where it also looks at my mining address for generation TX's it might have missed. It's not ideal but will catch them all as long as I have a share Wink

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Quote from: roy7 on April 07, 2015, 03:44:19 PM

For small miners there was that proxypool project,

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-open-source-stratum-to-stratum-proxy-pool-461632

but it appears he's been out of the forum for a year as well and his pool is gone.

OGNasty launched a p2pool proxy for smaller miners at https://nastyfans.org/nastypool/

It works well, and OG has earned the trust of his community.

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roy7 - take a look at what OgNasty and Nonnakip have done with their NastyPoP implementation. You can see my long-running thread about it here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nastypop-vs-standard-p2pool-891298.

Windpath - coincadence.com is not showing block 351173. Are you still adding blocks that come from orphaned/dead shares to the site manually?

OgNasty/Nonnakip - same thing on the NastyPoP distribution window standings page at nastyfans.org/miners. 351173 is missing.

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For small miners there was that proxypool project,

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-open-source-stratum-to-stratum-proxy-pool-461632

but it appears he's been out of the forum for a year as well and his pool is gone.

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